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Is it unbalanced to allow a monk with the Tavern Brawler feat to use improvised weapons as monk weapons?

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A friend of mine wants to play a variant human monk with the Tavern Brawler feat. He asked me if he could use improvised Weapons as monk weapons.

I personally haven't played a monk, or a character with the Tavern Brawler feat. As such, I'm having trouble judging whether this is unbalanced or totally fine.

Will allowing a character with the Tavern Brawler feat to use improvised weapons as monk weapons cause an unfixable balancing problem? If it does cause balancing issues, how can I address them?

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A friend of mine wants to play a variant human monk with the Tavern Brawler feat. He asked me if he could use improvised Weapons as monk weapons.

I personally haven't played a monk, or a character with the Tavern Brawler feat. As such, I'm having trouble judging whether this is unbalanced or totally fine.

Will allowing a character with the Tavern Brawler feat to use improvised weapons as monk weapons cause an unfixable balancing problem? If it does cause balancing issues, how can I address them?

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A friend of mine wants to play a variant human monk with the Tavern Brawler feat. He asked me if he could use improvised Weapons as monk weapons.

I personally haven't played a monk, or a character with the Tavern Brawler feat. As such, I'm having trouble judging whether this is unbalanced or totally fine.

Will allowing a character with the Tavern Brawler feat to use improvised weapons as monk weapons cause an unfixable balancing problem? If it does cause balancing issues, how can I address them?

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No, probably not unbalanced

The rule on Improvised Weapons states in part:

Often, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At the DM's option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.

An object that bears no resemblance to a weapon deals 1d4 damage [...]

Depending on what object your monk friend found to use as an improvised weapon, it is entirely possible that it could be treated as a monk weapon. In this case, it would be 100% balanced because the rules explicitly state this is permissible.

If the found weapon is not a close proximity to a monk weapon, the answer is probably still yes-adjacent. Improvised weapons use a d4, which is a very low damage die, and identical to a dagger (which is a monk weapon).

As Someone_Evil points out, monks get to change the base damage of monk weapons:

• You can roll a d4 in place of the normal damage of your unarmed strike or monk weapon. This die [increases] as you gain monk levels.

As a result, all improvised weapons will increase in their base damage to match the monk's unarmed strike damage so, in the end, the monk is not gaining any real advantage in using the improvised weapon compared to making unarmed strikes.

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  "If you allow them to use an improvised weapon as a monk weapon but don't treat it as similar to one they are proficient with, they do not get to add their proficiency bonus." In this context, the Tarven Brawler feat already lets them add their proficiency bonus to the attack roll, regardless of whether it's treated as similar to an actual weapon.
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  There is one advantage to using improvised weapons versus unarmed strikes - the monk can throw the improvised weapon up to 60 ft. So they could effectively treat any thrown object as a light hammer. Not really unbalanced, but there is some added benefit.
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  @mike I thought about thrown weapons, but monks also can use a sling (loaded rock) as an improvised melee weapon. Which, more even than the hammer, is probably the clearest place where things get a little unbalanced.
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No, probably not unbalanced

The rule on Improvised Weapons states in part:

Often, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At the DM's option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.

An object that bears no resemblance to a weapon deals 1d4 damage [...]

Depending on what object your monk friend found to use as an improvised weapon, it is entirely possible that it could be treated as a monk weapon. In this case, it would be 100% balanced because the rules explicitly state this is permissible.

If the found weapon is not a close proximity to a monk weapon, the answer is probably still yes-adjacent. Improvised weapons use a d4, which is a very low damage die, and identical to a dagger (which is a monk weapon).

As Someone_Evil points out, monks get to change the base damage of monk weapons:

• You can roll a d4 in place of the normal damage of your unarmed strike or monk weapon. This die [increases] as you gain monk levels.

As a result, all improvised weapons will increase in their base damage to match the monk's unarmed strike damage so, in the end, the monk is not gaining any real advantage in using the improvised weapon compared to making unarmed strikes.

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  "If you allow them to use an improvised weapon as a monk weapon but don't treat it as similar to one they are proficient with, they do not get to add their proficiency bonus." In this context, the Tarven Brawler feat already lets them add their proficiency bonus to the attack roll, regardless of whether it's treated as similar to an actual weapon.
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  There is one advantage to using improvised weapons versus unarmed strikes - the monk can throw the improvised weapon up to 60 ft. So they could effectively treat any thrown object as a light hammer. Not really unbalanced, but there is some added benefit.
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  @mike I thought about thrown weapons, but monks also can use a sling (loaded rock) as an improvised melee weapon. Which, more even than the hammer, is probably the clearest place where things get a little unbalanced.
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No, probably not unbalanced

The rule on Improvised Weapons states in part:

Often, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At the DM's option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.

An object that bears no resemblance to a weapon deals 1d4 damage [...]

Depending on what object your monk friend found to use as an improvised weapon, it is entirely possible that it could be treated as a monk weapon. In this case, it would be 100% balanced because the rules explicitly state this is permissible.

If the found weapon is not a close proximity to a monk weapon, the answer is probably still yes-adjacent. Improvised weapons use a d4, which is a very low damage die, and identical to a dagger (which is a monk weapon).

As Someone_Evil points out, monks get to change the base damage of monk weapons:

• You can roll a d4 in place of the normal damage of your unarmed strike or monk weapon. This die [increases] as you gain monk levels.

As a result, all improvised weapons will increase in their base damage to match the monk's unarmed strike damage so, in the end, the monk is not gaining any real advantage in using the improvised weapon compared to making unarmed strikes.

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  Monks can use their Martial Arts weapon die instead of the normal weapon die for monk weapons, you may wish to adjust the second to last paragraph to account for this.
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  "If you allow them to use an improvised weapon as a monk weapon but don't treat it as similar to one they are proficient with, they do not get to add their proficiency bonus." In this context, the Tarven Brawler feat already lets them add their proficiency bonus to the attack roll, regardless of whether it's treated as similar to an actual weapon.
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  There is one advantage to using improvised weapons versus unarmed strikes - the monk can throw the improvised weapon up to 60 ft. So they could effectively treat any thrown object as a light hammer. Not really unbalanced, but there is some added benefit.
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  @mike I thought about thrown weapons, but monks also can use a sling (loaded rock) as an improvised melee weapon. Which, more even than the hammer, is probably the clearest place where things get a little unbalanced.
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No, probably not unbalanced

The rule on Improvised Weapons states in part:

Often, an improvised weapon is similar to an actual weapon and can be treated as such. For example, a table leg is akin to a club. At the DM's option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.

An object that bears no resemblance to a weapon deals 1d4 damage [...]

Depending on what object your monk friend found to use as an improvised weapon, it is entirely possible that it could be treated as a monk weapon. In this case, it would be 100% balanced because the rules explicitly state this is permissible.

If the found weapon is not a close proximity to a monk weapon, the answer is probably still yes-adjacent. Improvised weapons use a d4, which is a very low damage die, and identical to a dagger (which is a monk weapon).

As Someone_Evil points out, monks get to change the base damage of monk weapons:

• You can roll a d4 in place of the normal damage of your unarmed strike or monk weapon. This die [increases] as you gain monk levels.

As a result, all improvised weapons will increase in their base damage to match the monk's unarmed strike damage so, in the end, the monk is not gaining any real advantage in using the improvised weapon compared to making unarmed strikes.

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