Examples of solving for unknowns using equivalence relations that are not equality, inequality, or boolean truth?What are some good simple examples that getting the right result is not enough?What are some fun/nonstandard examples of arithmetic/geometric series?What are easy examples from daily life of constrained optimization?What are some good low-prerequisite examples for the heuristic advice “If you cannot prove it, prove something stronger.”?Examples for reasoning by analogy going wrongWhat are some good or neat examples of computing a function's Taylor series?Examples where roots are necessary for the solutionSimple examples that violate group axiomsExamples (for beginners) of real functions which are not given by elementary formulaeUsing discrete examples in the beginning of integration
What are the exact meanings of roll, pitch and yaw?
Find, analytically, the value of the following limit.
Film where a boy turns into a princess
Why is the return type for ftell not fpos_t?
High income, sudden windfall
Is it normal practice to screen share with a client?
How to handle aversion that derives from perceiving arrogance?
What do I do when a student working in my lab "ghosts" me?
What should I say when a company asks you why someone (a friend) who was fired left?
Why did modems have speakers?
Where is this photo of a group of hikers taken? Is it really in the Ural?
Keeping an "hot eyeball planet" wet
Why are there not any MRI machines available in Interstellar?
What is a Union Word™?
USA: Can a witness take the 5th to avoid perjury?
How can I make sure my players' decisions have consequences?
How can I tell if there was a power cut while I was out?
401(k) investment after being fired. Do I own it?
The seven story archetypes. Are they truly all of them?
What is a reasonable time for modern human society to adapt to dungeons?
How can I receive packages while in France?
What exactly makes a General Products hull nearly indestructible?
Inadvertently nuked my disk permission structure - why?
Character Frequency in a String
Examples of solving for unknowns using equivalence relations that are not equality, inequality, or boolean truth?
What are some good simple examples that getting the right result is not enough?What are some fun/nonstandard examples of arithmetic/geometric series?What are easy examples from daily life of constrained optimization?What are some good low-prerequisite examples for the heuristic advice “If you cannot prove it, prove something stronger.”?Examples for reasoning by analogy going wrongWhat are some good or neat examples of computing a function's Taylor series?Examples where roots are necessary for the solutionSimple examples that violate group axiomsExamples (for beginners) of real functions which are not given by elementary formulaeUsing discrete examples in the beginning of integration
.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty margin-bottom:0;
$begingroup$
In a book i'm writing, i want to introduce students to equations in slightly more general terms. Solving an equation with some unknown is just
one example of finding an object by fact that it is a part of
a certain equivalence class - specifically a class in the "equals"-relation. Same goes for inequalities too. In both scenarios we use various operations on both sides, make sure that none of these operations change the equivilance class of any member, and then isolate some desired expression. This is really intuitive and natural to work with for equality, but i think it could be a great exercise for the mind and maturity to try something very different. Does there exist any other nice similair problems and techniques for different relations? Maybe something using congruence or similarity of figures? We can obviously work with set equalities too, though that may be a little very abstract.
For information, my readers has not yet at this point in the book learned calculus. It's at just the point before. The target audience is math-interested high-schoolers.
examples
New contributor
Buster Bie is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
$endgroup$
|
show 3 more comments
$begingroup$
In a book i'm writing, i want to introduce students to equations in slightly more general terms. Solving an equation with some unknown is just
one example of finding an object by fact that it is a part of
a certain equivalence class - specifically a class in the "equals"-relation. Same goes for inequalities too. In both scenarios we use various operations on both sides, make sure that none of these operations change the equivilance class of any member, and then isolate some desired expression. This is really intuitive and natural to work with for equality, but i think it could be a great exercise for the mind and maturity to try something very different. Does there exist any other nice similair problems and techniques for different relations? Maybe something using congruence or similarity of figures? We can obviously work with set equalities too, though that may be a little very abstract.
For information, my readers has not yet at this point in the book learned calculus. It's at just the point before. The target audience is math-interested high-schoolers.
examples
New contributor
Buster Bie is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
$endgroup$
5
$begingroup$
An equation is a statement of equality. Using it to mean something else is only going to lead to confusion.
$endgroup$
– Peter Taylor
14 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
An equation is a statement of equality in terms of an equivalence relation. So, a general question could be: given two objects, do they belong to the same equivalence class?
$endgroup$
– SCS
13 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
Even after your edit, I still don't understand exactly what you're talking about. You write that solving inequalities involves "mak[ing] sure that none of these operations change the equivalance class of any member," but what is the equivalence relation you're talking about when you say this? The phrase "equivalence class" is completely meaningless outside of the context of an equivalence relation. (The title doesn't make sense either, since it says "equivalence relations that are not equality, inequality or boolean truth," but inequality and boolean truth are not equivalence relations.)
$endgroup$
– Tanner Swett
4 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
In general terms, what you are asking is about different types of relations between entities, of which equations are a subgroup. Inequalities are not equations, and most of the suggestions below are not equations. Please correct your post accordingly?
$endgroup$
– Namaste
4 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
Also, I can't think of how solving an equation can be construed as "finding an object by fact that it is a part of a certain equivalence class". If I solve the equation $x^2 = 4$, I'm finding some objects by the fact that they're elements of a certain set, but that set is not an equivalence class.
$endgroup$
– Tanner Swett
4 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
$begingroup$
In a book i'm writing, i want to introduce students to equations in slightly more general terms. Solving an equation with some unknown is just
one example of finding an object by fact that it is a part of
a certain equivalence class - specifically a class in the "equals"-relation. Same goes for inequalities too. In both scenarios we use various operations on both sides, make sure that none of these operations change the equivilance class of any member, and then isolate some desired expression. This is really intuitive and natural to work with for equality, but i think it could be a great exercise for the mind and maturity to try something very different. Does there exist any other nice similair problems and techniques for different relations? Maybe something using congruence or similarity of figures? We can obviously work with set equalities too, though that may be a little very abstract.
For information, my readers has not yet at this point in the book learned calculus. It's at just the point before. The target audience is math-interested high-schoolers.
examples
New contributor
Buster Bie is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
$endgroup$
In a book i'm writing, i want to introduce students to equations in slightly more general terms. Solving an equation with some unknown is just
one example of finding an object by fact that it is a part of
a certain equivalence class - specifically a class in the "equals"-relation. Same goes for inequalities too. In both scenarios we use various operations on both sides, make sure that none of these operations change the equivilance class of any member, and then isolate some desired expression. This is really intuitive and natural to work with for equality, but i think it could be a great exercise for the mind and maturity to try something very different. Does there exist any other nice similair problems and techniques for different relations? Maybe something using congruence or similarity of figures? We can obviously work with set equalities too, though that may be a little very abstract.
For information, my readers has not yet at this point in the book learned calculus. It's at just the point before. The target audience is math-interested high-schoolers.
examples
examples
New contributor
Buster Bie is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
New contributor
Buster Bie is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
edited 12 hours ago
Buster Bie
New contributor
Buster Bie is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
asked 16 hours ago
Buster BieBuster Bie
263 bronze badges
263 bronze badges
New contributor
Buster Bie is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
New contributor
Buster Bie is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
5
$begingroup$
An equation is a statement of equality. Using it to mean something else is only going to lead to confusion.
$endgroup$
– Peter Taylor
14 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
An equation is a statement of equality in terms of an equivalence relation. So, a general question could be: given two objects, do they belong to the same equivalence class?
$endgroup$
– SCS
13 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
Even after your edit, I still don't understand exactly what you're talking about. You write that solving inequalities involves "mak[ing] sure that none of these operations change the equivalance class of any member," but what is the equivalence relation you're talking about when you say this? The phrase "equivalence class" is completely meaningless outside of the context of an equivalence relation. (The title doesn't make sense either, since it says "equivalence relations that are not equality, inequality or boolean truth," but inequality and boolean truth are not equivalence relations.)
$endgroup$
– Tanner Swett
4 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
In general terms, what you are asking is about different types of relations between entities, of which equations are a subgroup. Inequalities are not equations, and most of the suggestions below are not equations. Please correct your post accordingly?
$endgroup$
– Namaste
4 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
Also, I can't think of how solving an equation can be construed as "finding an object by fact that it is a part of a certain equivalence class". If I solve the equation $x^2 = 4$, I'm finding some objects by the fact that they're elements of a certain set, but that set is not an equivalence class.
$endgroup$
– Tanner Swett
4 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
5
$begingroup$
An equation is a statement of equality. Using it to mean something else is only going to lead to confusion.
$endgroup$
– Peter Taylor
14 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
An equation is a statement of equality in terms of an equivalence relation. So, a general question could be: given two objects, do they belong to the same equivalence class?
$endgroup$
– SCS
13 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
Even after your edit, I still don't understand exactly what you're talking about. You write that solving inequalities involves "mak[ing] sure that none of these operations change the equivalance class of any member," but what is the equivalence relation you're talking about when you say this? The phrase "equivalence class" is completely meaningless outside of the context of an equivalence relation. (The title doesn't make sense either, since it says "equivalence relations that are not equality, inequality or boolean truth," but inequality and boolean truth are not equivalence relations.)
$endgroup$
– Tanner Swett
4 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
In general terms, what you are asking is about different types of relations between entities, of which equations are a subgroup. Inequalities are not equations, and most of the suggestions below are not equations. Please correct your post accordingly?
$endgroup$
– Namaste
4 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
Also, I can't think of how solving an equation can be construed as "finding an object by fact that it is a part of a certain equivalence class". If I solve the equation $x^2 = 4$, I'm finding some objects by the fact that they're elements of a certain set, but that set is not an equivalence class.
$endgroup$
– Tanner Swett
4 hours ago
5
5
$begingroup$
An equation is a statement of equality. Using it to mean something else is only going to lead to confusion.
$endgroup$
– Peter Taylor
14 hours ago
$begingroup$
An equation is a statement of equality. Using it to mean something else is only going to lead to confusion.
$endgroup$
– Peter Taylor
14 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
An equation is a statement of equality in terms of an equivalence relation. So, a general question could be: given two objects, do they belong to the same equivalence class?
$endgroup$
– SCS
13 hours ago
$begingroup$
An equation is a statement of equality in terms of an equivalence relation. So, a general question could be: given two objects, do they belong to the same equivalence class?
$endgroup$
– SCS
13 hours ago
2
2
$begingroup$
Even after your edit, I still don't understand exactly what you're talking about. You write that solving inequalities involves "mak[ing] sure that none of these operations change the equivalance class of any member," but what is the equivalence relation you're talking about when you say this? The phrase "equivalence class" is completely meaningless outside of the context of an equivalence relation. (The title doesn't make sense either, since it says "equivalence relations that are not equality, inequality or boolean truth," but inequality and boolean truth are not equivalence relations.)
$endgroup$
– Tanner Swett
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
Even after your edit, I still don't understand exactly what you're talking about. You write that solving inequalities involves "mak[ing] sure that none of these operations change the equivalance class of any member," but what is the equivalence relation you're talking about when you say this? The phrase "equivalence class" is completely meaningless outside of the context of an equivalence relation. (The title doesn't make sense either, since it says "equivalence relations that are not equality, inequality or boolean truth," but inequality and boolean truth are not equivalence relations.)
$endgroup$
– Tanner Swett
4 hours ago
1
1
$begingroup$
In general terms, what you are asking is about different types of relations between entities, of which equations are a subgroup. Inequalities are not equations, and most of the suggestions below are not equations. Please correct your post accordingly?
$endgroup$
– Namaste
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
In general terms, what you are asking is about different types of relations between entities, of which equations are a subgroup. Inequalities are not equations, and most of the suggestions below are not equations. Please correct your post accordingly?
$endgroup$
– Namaste
4 hours ago
3
3
$begingroup$
Also, I can't think of how solving an equation can be construed as "finding an object by fact that it is a part of a certain equivalence class". If I solve the equation $x^2 = 4$, I'm finding some objects by the fact that they're elements of a certain set, but that set is not an equivalence class.
$endgroup$
– Tanner Swett
4 hours ago
$begingroup$
Also, I can't think of how solving an equation can be construed as "finding an object by fact that it is a part of a certain equivalence class". If I solve the equation $x^2 = 4$, I'm finding some objects by the fact that they're elements of a certain set, but that set is not an equivalence class.
$endgroup$
– Tanner Swett
4 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
Maybe proportions. Granted there's an equality in there but the emphasis is on proportions. You can even generalize the idea to SAT analogies.
Perhaps conversions or dimensional analysis would fit well in the book. Another idea is the piano tuner business case, estimating methods ala Fermi. Note these are not strictly relations. But might fit well into what you are trying to do and would work with the audience.
Maybe also some simple probability stuff with application to gambling and cards and dice and such. Things like 4:1 odds means 20% win chance.
A little bit of finance math nice also. Compound interest. Time value of money to convert between future and present values.
New contributor
guest2 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I am confused. In a gambling game, if I am give 4 to 1 odds, doesn't that mean my chances of winning are 25%? (assume zero to the house)
$endgroup$
– JoeTaxpayer
10 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
4:1 odds mean your probability is $frac14+1$, not $frac14$. For example even odds are 1:1, which corresponds to a probability of $frac11+1$. Oh -- I see. The answer originally said 80%. I'll edit to 20%. @JoeTaxpayer
$endgroup$
– Chris Cunningham♦
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Ha. Ok, thanks. Now it makes sense. A $4 return on a $1 bet is not “4:1” odds. I think I understood the math but not the way of articulating it correctly. Thanks again.
$endgroup$
– JoeTaxpayer
9 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Consider the equivalence class of knot diagrams depicting the unknot.
Given a knot diagram, Reidemeister moves do not change the knot type.
So one can apply these moves to a knot diagram because
"none of these operations change the equivalence class."
If you reach the unknot, then you know your original diagram was
just a different drawing of the unknot.

Fig: Dominic Goulding,
"Knot Theory:
The Yang-Baxter Equation, Quantum Groups and
Computation of the Homfly Polynomial," 2010.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Also, let's not forget isomorphisms in group theory,
nor congruence relations in geometry, and, e.g., similarity in geometry. Further, in geometry, relations between lines might include $overlineAB parallel, overlineCD$, or $overlineEF perp overlineGH$ (two lines being parallel, or two lines being perpendicular, respectively
There are also also congruence equations,$mod n: ;; 3 equiv 10 pmod 7$.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Isomorphisms are probably going to be too advanced for the intended audience.
$endgroup$
– Jessica B
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "548"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Buster Bie is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmatheducators.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f16847%2fexamples-of-solving-for-unknowns-using-equivalence-relations-that-are-not-equali%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
3 Answers
3
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
$begingroup$
Maybe proportions. Granted there's an equality in there but the emphasis is on proportions. You can even generalize the idea to SAT analogies.
Perhaps conversions or dimensional analysis would fit well in the book. Another idea is the piano tuner business case, estimating methods ala Fermi. Note these are not strictly relations. But might fit well into what you are trying to do and would work with the audience.
Maybe also some simple probability stuff with application to gambling and cards and dice and such. Things like 4:1 odds means 20% win chance.
A little bit of finance math nice also. Compound interest. Time value of money to convert between future and present values.
New contributor
guest2 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I am confused. In a gambling game, if I am give 4 to 1 odds, doesn't that mean my chances of winning are 25%? (assume zero to the house)
$endgroup$
– JoeTaxpayer
10 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
4:1 odds mean your probability is $frac14+1$, not $frac14$. For example even odds are 1:1, which corresponds to a probability of $frac11+1$. Oh -- I see. The answer originally said 80%. I'll edit to 20%. @JoeTaxpayer
$endgroup$
– Chris Cunningham♦
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Ha. Ok, thanks. Now it makes sense. A $4 return on a $1 bet is not “4:1” odds. I think I understood the math but not the way of articulating it correctly. Thanks again.
$endgroup$
– JoeTaxpayer
9 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Maybe proportions. Granted there's an equality in there but the emphasis is on proportions. You can even generalize the idea to SAT analogies.
Perhaps conversions or dimensional analysis would fit well in the book. Another idea is the piano tuner business case, estimating methods ala Fermi. Note these are not strictly relations. But might fit well into what you are trying to do and would work with the audience.
Maybe also some simple probability stuff with application to gambling and cards and dice and such. Things like 4:1 odds means 20% win chance.
A little bit of finance math nice also. Compound interest. Time value of money to convert between future and present values.
New contributor
guest2 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I am confused. In a gambling game, if I am give 4 to 1 odds, doesn't that mean my chances of winning are 25%? (assume zero to the house)
$endgroup$
– JoeTaxpayer
10 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
4:1 odds mean your probability is $frac14+1$, not $frac14$. For example even odds are 1:1, which corresponds to a probability of $frac11+1$. Oh -- I see. The answer originally said 80%. I'll edit to 20%. @JoeTaxpayer
$endgroup$
– Chris Cunningham♦
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Ha. Ok, thanks. Now it makes sense. A $4 return on a $1 bet is not “4:1” odds. I think I understood the math but not the way of articulating it correctly. Thanks again.
$endgroup$
– JoeTaxpayer
9 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Maybe proportions. Granted there's an equality in there but the emphasis is on proportions. You can even generalize the idea to SAT analogies.
Perhaps conversions or dimensional analysis would fit well in the book. Another idea is the piano tuner business case, estimating methods ala Fermi. Note these are not strictly relations. But might fit well into what you are trying to do and would work with the audience.
Maybe also some simple probability stuff with application to gambling and cards and dice and such. Things like 4:1 odds means 20% win chance.
A little bit of finance math nice also. Compound interest. Time value of money to convert between future and present values.
New contributor
guest2 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
$endgroup$
Maybe proportions. Granted there's an equality in there but the emphasis is on proportions. You can even generalize the idea to SAT analogies.
Perhaps conversions or dimensional analysis would fit well in the book. Another idea is the piano tuner business case, estimating methods ala Fermi. Note these are not strictly relations. But might fit well into what you are trying to do and would work with the audience.
Maybe also some simple probability stuff with application to gambling and cards and dice and such. Things like 4:1 odds means 20% win chance.
A little bit of finance math nice also. Compound interest. Time value of money to convert between future and present values.
New contributor
guest2 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
edited 9 hours ago
Chris Cunningham♦
10.9k5 gold badges42 silver badges103 bronze badges
10.9k5 gold badges42 silver badges103 bronze badges
New contributor
guest2 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
answered 15 hours ago
guest2guest2
362 bronze badges
362 bronze badges
New contributor
guest2 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
New contributor
guest2 is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
Check out our Code of Conduct.
$begingroup$
I am confused. In a gambling game, if I am give 4 to 1 odds, doesn't that mean my chances of winning are 25%? (assume zero to the house)
$endgroup$
– JoeTaxpayer
10 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
4:1 odds mean your probability is $frac14+1$, not $frac14$. For example even odds are 1:1, which corresponds to a probability of $frac11+1$. Oh -- I see. The answer originally said 80%. I'll edit to 20%. @JoeTaxpayer
$endgroup$
– Chris Cunningham♦
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Ha. Ok, thanks. Now it makes sense. A $4 return on a $1 bet is not “4:1” odds. I think I understood the math but not the way of articulating it correctly. Thanks again.
$endgroup$
– JoeTaxpayer
9 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I am confused. In a gambling game, if I am give 4 to 1 odds, doesn't that mean my chances of winning are 25%? (assume zero to the house)
$endgroup$
– JoeTaxpayer
10 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
4:1 odds mean your probability is $frac14+1$, not $frac14$. For example even odds are 1:1, which corresponds to a probability of $frac11+1$. Oh -- I see. The answer originally said 80%. I'll edit to 20%. @JoeTaxpayer
$endgroup$
– Chris Cunningham♦
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Ha. Ok, thanks. Now it makes sense. A $4 return on a $1 bet is not “4:1” odds. I think I understood the math but not the way of articulating it correctly. Thanks again.
$endgroup$
– JoeTaxpayer
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
I am confused. In a gambling game, if I am give 4 to 1 odds, doesn't that mean my chances of winning are 25%? (assume zero to the house)
$endgroup$
– JoeTaxpayer
10 hours ago
$begingroup$
I am confused. In a gambling game, if I am give 4 to 1 odds, doesn't that mean my chances of winning are 25%? (assume zero to the house)
$endgroup$
– JoeTaxpayer
10 hours ago
2
2
$begingroup$
4:1 odds mean your probability is $frac14+1$, not $frac14$. For example even odds are 1:1, which corresponds to a probability of $frac11+1$. Oh -- I see. The answer originally said 80%. I'll edit to 20%. @JoeTaxpayer
$endgroup$
– Chris Cunningham♦
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
4:1 odds mean your probability is $frac14+1$, not $frac14$. For example even odds are 1:1, which corresponds to a probability of $frac11+1$. Oh -- I see. The answer originally said 80%. I'll edit to 20%. @JoeTaxpayer
$endgroup$
– Chris Cunningham♦
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Ha. Ok, thanks. Now it makes sense. A $4 return on a $1 bet is not “4:1” odds. I think I understood the math but not the way of articulating it correctly. Thanks again.
$endgroup$
– JoeTaxpayer
9 hours ago
$begingroup$
Ha. Ok, thanks. Now it makes sense. A $4 return on a $1 bet is not “4:1” odds. I think I understood the math but not the way of articulating it correctly. Thanks again.
$endgroup$
– JoeTaxpayer
9 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Consider the equivalence class of knot diagrams depicting the unknot.
Given a knot diagram, Reidemeister moves do not change the knot type.
So one can apply these moves to a knot diagram because
"none of these operations change the equivalence class."
If you reach the unknot, then you know your original diagram was
just a different drawing of the unknot.

Fig: Dominic Goulding,
"Knot Theory:
The Yang-Baxter Equation, Quantum Groups and
Computation of the Homfly Polynomial," 2010.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Consider the equivalence class of knot diagrams depicting the unknot.
Given a knot diagram, Reidemeister moves do not change the knot type.
So one can apply these moves to a knot diagram because
"none of these operations change the equivalence class."
If you reach the unknot, then you know your original diagram was
just a different drawing of the unknot.

Fig: Dominic Goulding,
"Knot Theory:
The Yang-Baxter Equation, Quantum Groups and
Computation of the Homfly Polynomial," 2010.
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Consider the equivalence class of knot diagrams depicting the unknot.
Given a knot diagram, Reidemeister moves do not change the knot type.
So one can apply these moves to a knot diagram because
"none of these operations change the equivalence class."
If you reach the unknot, then you know your original diagram was
just a different drawing of the unknot.

Fig: Dominic Goulding,
"Knot Theory:
The Yang-Baxter Equation, Quantum Groups and
Computation of the Homfly Polynomial," 2010.
$endgroup$
Consider the equivalence class of knot diagrams depicting the unknot.
Given a knot diagram, Reidemeister moves do not change the knot type.
So one can apply these moves to a knot diagram because
"none of these operations change the equivalence class."
If you reach the unknot, then you know your original diagram was
just a different drawing of the unknot.

Fig: Dominic Goulding,
"Knot Theory:
The Yang-Baxter Equation, Quantum Groups and
Computation of the Homfly Polynomial," 2010.
answered 9 hours ago
Joseph O'RourkeJoseph O'Rourke
16k3 gold badges35 silver badges84 bronze badges
16k3 gold badges35 silver badges84 bronze badges
add a comment |
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Also, let's not forget isomorphisms in group theory,
nor congruence relations in geometry, and, e.g., similarity in geometry. Further, in geometry, relations between lines might include $overlineAB parallel, overlineCD$, or $overlineEF perp overlineGH$ (two lines being parallel, or two lines being perpendicular, respectively
There are also also congruence equations,$mod n: ;; 3 equiv 10 pmod 7$.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Isomorphisms are probably going to be too advanced for the intended audience.
$endgroup$
– Jessica B
1 hour ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Also, let's not forget isomorphisms in group theory,
nor congruence relations in geometry, and, e.g., similarity in geometry. Further, in geometry, relations between lines might include $overlineAB parallel, overlineCD$, or $overlineEF perp overlineGH$ (two lines being parallel, or two lines being perpendicular, respectively
There are also also congruence equations,$mod n: ;; 3 equiv 10 pmod 7$.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Isomorphisms are probably going to be too advanced for the intended audience.
$endgroup$
– Jessica B
1 hour ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Also, let's not forget isomorphisms in group theory,
nor congruence relations in geometry, and, e.g., similarity in geometry. Further, in geometry, relations between lines might include $overlineAB parallel, overlineCD$, or $overlineEF perp overlineGH$ (two lines being parallel, or two lines being perpendicular, respectively
There are also also congruence equations,$mod n: ;; 3 equiv 10 pmod 7$.
$endgroup$
Also, let's not forget isomorphisms in group theory,
nor congruence relations in geometry, and, e.g., similarity in geometry. Further, in geometry, relations between lines might include $overlineAB parallel, overlineCD$, or $overlineEF perp overlineGH$ (two lines being parallel, or two lines being perpendicular, respectively
There are also also congruence equations,$mod n: ;; 3 equiv 10 pmod 7$.
edited 4 hours ago
answered 4 hours ago
NamasteNamaste
6431 gold badge6 silver badges19 bronze badges
6431 gold badge6 silver badges19 bronze badges
$begingroup$
Isomorphisms are probably going to be too advanced for the intended audience.
$endgroup$
– Jessica B
1 hour ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Isomorphisms are probably going to be too advanced for the intended audience.
$endgroup$
– Jessica B
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Isomorphisms are probably going to be too advanced for the intended audience.
$endgroup$
– Jessica B
1 hour ago
$begingroup$
Isomorphisms are probably going to be too advanced for the intended audience.
$endgroup$
– Jessica B
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Buster Bie is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Buster Bie is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Buster Bie is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Buster Bie is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Thanks for contributing an answer to Mathematics Educators Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
Use MathJax to format equations. MathJax reference.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmatheducators.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f16847%2fexamples-of-solving-for-unknowns-using-equivalence-relations-that-are-not-equali%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
5
$begingroup$
An equation is a statement of equality. Using it to mean something else is only going to lead to confusion.
$endgroup$
– Peter Taylor
14 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
An equation is a statement of equality in terms of an equivalence relation. So, a general question could be: given two objects, do they belong to the same equivalence class?
$endgroup$
– SCS
13 hours ago
2
$begingroup$
Even after your edit, I still don't understand exactly what you're talking about. You write that solving inequalities involves "mak[ing] sure that none of these operations change the equivalance class of any member," but what is the equivalence relation you're talking about when you say this? The phrase "equivalence class" is completely meaningless outside of the context of an equivalence relation. (The title doesn't make sense either, since it says "equivalence relations that are not equality, inequality or boolean truth," but inequality and boolean truth are not equivalence relations.)
$endgroup$
– Tanner Swett
4 hours ago
1
$begingroup$
In general terms, what you are asking is about different types of relations between entities, of which equations are a subgroup. Inequalities are not equations, and most of the suggestions below are not equations. Please correct your post accordingly?
$endgroup$
– Namaste
4 hours ago
3
$begingroup$
Also, I can't think of how solving an equation can be construed as "finding an object by fact that it is a part of a certain equivalence class". If I solve the equation $x^2 = 4$, I'm finding some objects by the fact that they're elements of a certain set, but that set is not an equivalence class.
$endgroup$
– Tanner Swett
4 hours ago