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How would a race of humanoids with tails design [vehicle] seats?


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Let's say I have a race of humanoids (bipedal, roughly human proportions) that have tails like felines/canines. I'm trying to figure out how they would design seating...



Assumptions:



  • Like cats/dogs, they can bend their tail close to 90° right at the base.

  • Like humans (but this is true of dogs, also!), they "sit" by resting their weight on their haunches.

  • Sitting "on" their tail (i.e. brought forward between their legs) is quite uncomfortable, and possibly not safe.

  • Sitting with their tail "stuck" to one side is annoying; they want to be able to move it to their other side, or let it "hang out", without getting up.

  • Similarly, sitting in a way that they can't bring their tail in to curl against a leg is annoying.

  • Tail lengths vary; on a "typical" chair, the tip may not quite reach the ground, or nearly two thirds of the tail may be on the floor.

  • Their tails are flexible enough that, if they are sitting with their tailed tucked along a leg, on a chair that is open about the width of their body, they can "swoosh" their tail into the gap until it is fully "behind" the chair, and can reverse this action.

Given that they would design seats to overcome these limitations, what would they look like?



For chairs, they would just have a gap between the seat and back, with supports on the sides or set back enough to allow them to shift their tails over the support while seated. (The seat might also be "notched" a bit in back.) Alternatively, for casual seating, they might prefer cushions, a la the Orians from The Stars at War series.



But... I'm particularly interested in figuring out vehicle seats. "Bucket" seats that have open space behind them can probably follow similar design principles, but what about the more bench-like seats in the backs of cars? Could they have anything similar? If so, how would these seats need to be modified to accommodate tails? What about the seat belts / safety harnesses; would those need modification? What about "booster seats" for younger individuals that don't fit in the adult-sized seats?



(...or, they might use "seats" that look totally different? However, any "seat" whereupon they rest their abdomens would be a problem for individuals that are pregnant, especially when talking about vehicle seats. Also, they need to be able to fasten whatever safety restraint system is in use without assistance; stuff that fastens behind them is going to be awkward at best.)



(This is similar to, but not the same as, What would a chair for a Human with a Tail look like?.)




Please note that I have already speculated that their seats might look nothing like seats made for humans. I've also speculated why they would. Comments along these lines that don't come with suggestions for seating design or at least details beyond vague hand-waving are not helpful. The specific thrust of the question has plot relevance to my story. Explanation of the physiological working of my creatures' anatomy not; questions along those lines that don't come with suggested answers will be referred to Bellisario's Maxim and/or The MST3K Mantra, or at least a different WB question.










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Let's say I have a race of humanoids (bipedal, roughly human proportions) that have tails like felines/canines. I'm trying to figure out how they would design seating...



Assumptions:



  • Like cats/dogs, they can bend their tail close to 90° right at the base.

  • Like humans (but this is true of dogs, also!), they "sit" by resting their weight on their haunches.

  • Sitting "on" their tail (i.e. brought forward between their legs) is quite uncomfortable, and possibly not safe.

  • Sitting with their tail "stuck" to one side is annoying; they want to be able to move it to their other side, or let it "hang out", without getting up.

  • Similarly, sitting in a way that they can't bring their tail in to curl against a leg is annoying.

  • Tail lengths vary; on a "typical" chair, the tip may not quite reach the ground, or nearly two thirds of the tail may be on the floor.

  • Their tails are flexible enough that, if they are sitting with their tailed tucked along a leg, on a chair that is open about the width of their body, they can "swoosh" their tail into the gap until it is fully "behind" the chair, and can reverse this action.

Given that they would design seats to overcome these limitations, what would they look like?



For chairs, they would just have a gap between the seat and back, with supports on the sides or set back enough to allow them to shift their tails over the support while seated. (The seat might also be "notched" a bit in back.) Alternatively, for casual seating, they might prefer cushions, a la the Orians from The Stars at War series.



But... I'm particularly interested in figuring out vehicle seats. "Bucket" seats that have open space behind them can probably follow similar design principles, but what about the more bench-like seats in the backs of cars? Could they have anything similar? If so, how would these seats need to be modified to accommodate tails? What about the seat belts / safety harnesses; would those need modification? What about "booster seats" for younger individuals that don't fit in the adult-sized seats?



(...or, they might use "seats" that look totally different? However, any "seat" whereupon they rest their abdomens would be a problem for individuals that are pregnant, especially when talking about vehicle seats. Also, they need to be able to fasten whatever safety restraint system is in use without assistance; stuff that fastens behind them is going to be awkward at best.)



(This is similar to, but not the same as, What would a chair for a Human with a Tail look like?.)




Please note that I have already speculated that their seats might look nothing like seats made for humans. I've also speculated why they would. Comments along these lines that don't come with suggestions for seating design or at least details beyond vague hand-waving are not helpful. The specific thrust of the question has plot relevance to my story. Explanation of the physiological working of my creatures' anatomy not; questions along those lines that don't come with suggested answers will be referred to Bellisario's Maxim and/or The MST3K Mantra, or at least a different WB question.










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Let's say I have a race of humanoids (bipedal, roughly human proportions) that have tails like felines/canines. I'm trying to figure out how they would design seating...



Assumptions:



  • Like cats/dogs, they can bend their tail close to 90° right at the base.

  • Like humans (but this is true of dogs, also!), they "sit" by resting their weight on their haunches.

  • Sitting "on" their tail (i.e. brought forward between their legs) is quite uncomfortable, and possibly not safe.

  • Sitting with their tail "stuck" to one side is annoying; they want to be able to move it to their other side, or let it "hang out", without getting up.

  • Similarly, sitting in a way that they can't bring their tail in to curl against a leg is annoying.

  • Tail lengths vary; on a "typical" chair, the tip may not quite reach the ground, or nearly two thirds of the tail may be on the floor.

  • Their tails are flexible enough that, if they are sitting with their tailed tucked along a leg, on a chair that is open about the width of their body, they can "swoosh" their tail into the gap until it is fully "behind" the chair, and can reverse this action.

Given that they would design seats to overcome these limitations, what would they look like?



For chairs, they would just have a gap between the seat and back, with supports on the sides or set back enough to allow them to shift their tails over the support while seated. (The seat might also be "notched" a bit in back.) Alternatively, for casual seating, they might prefer cushions, a la the Orians from The Stars at War series.



But... I'm particularly interested in figuring out vehicle seats. "Bucket" seats that have open space behind them can probably follow similar design principles, but what about the more bench-like seats in the backs of cars? Could they have anything similar? If so, how would these seats need to be modified to accommodate tails? What about the seat belts / safety harnesses; would those need modification? What about "booster seats" for younger individuals that don't fit in the adult-sized seats?



(...or, they might use "seats" that look totally different? However, any "seat" whereupon they rest their abdomens would be a problem for individuals that are pregnant, especially when talking about vehicle seats. Also, they need to be able to fasten whatever safety restraint system is in use without assistance; stuff that fastens behind them is going to be awkward at best.)



(This is similar to, but not the same as, What would a chair for a Human with a Tail look like?.)




Please note that I have already speculated that their seats might look nothing like seats made for humans. I've also speculated why they would. Comments along these lines that don't come with suggestions for seating design or at least details beyond vague hand-waving are not helpful. The specific thrust of the question has plot relevance to my story. Explanation of the physiological working of my creatures' anatomy not; questions along those lines that don't come with suggested answers will be referred to Bellisario's Maxim and/or The MST3K Mantra, or at least a different WB question.










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Let's say I have a race of humanoids (bipedal, roughly human proportions) that have tails like felines/canines. I'm trying to figure out how they would design seating...



Assumptions:



  • Like cats/dogs, they can bend their tail close to 90° right at the base.

  • Like humans (but this is true of dogs, also!), they "sit" by resting their weight on their haunches.

  • Sitting "on" their tail (i.e. brought forward between their legs) is quite uncomfortable, and possibly not safe.

  • Sitting with their tail "stuck" to one side is annoying; they want to be able to move it to their other side, or let it "hang out", without getting up.

  • Similarly, sitting in a way that they can't bring their tail in to curl against a leg is annoying.

  • Tail lengths vary; on a "typical" chair, the tip may not quite reach the ground, or nearly two thirds of the tail may be on the floor.

  • Their tails are flexible enough that, if they are sitting with their tailed tucked along a leg, on a chair that is open about the width of their body, they can "swoosh" their tail into the gap until it is fully "behind" the chair, and can reverse this action.

Given that they would design seats to overcome these limitations, what would they look like?



For chairs, they would just have a gap between the seat and back, with supports on the sides or set back enough to allow them to shift their tails over the support while seated. (The seat might also be "notched" a bit in back.) Alternatively, for casual seating, they might prefer cushions, a la the Orians from The Stars at War series.



But... I'm particularly interested in figuring out vehicle seats. "Bucket" seats that have open space behind them can probably follow similar design principles, but what about the more bench-like seats in the backs of cars? Could they have anything similar? If so, how would these seats need to be modified to accommodate tails? What about the seat belts / safety harnesses; would those need modification? What about "booster seats" for younger individuals that don't fit in the adult-sized seats?



(...or, they might use "seats" that look totally different? However, any "seat" whereupon they rest their abdomens would be a problem for individuals that are pregnant, especially when talking about vehicle seats. Also, they need to be able to fasten whatever safety restraint system is in use without assistance; stuff that fastens behind them is going to be awkward at best.)



(This is similar to, but not the same as, What would a chair for a Human with a Tail look like?.)




Please note that I have already speculated that their seats might look nothing like seats made for humans. I've also speculated why they would. Comments along these lines that don't come with suggestions for seating design or at least details beyond vague hand-waving are not helpful. The specific thrust of the question has plot relevance to my story. Explanation of the physiological working of my creatures' anatomy not; questions along those lines that don't come with suggested answers will be referred to Bellisario's Maxim and/or The MST3K Mantra, or at least a different WB question.







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Depends on why they have a tail



If their tail is prehensile, their instinct will probably be to utilize it to catch themselves in which case, putting a pull brake under the chair instead of by the feet might feel very natural to them; so, you'll probably have something similar to a toilet seat with a lever in it.



If the tail is used primarily for balance when they run, then their instinct will be to continue to do that the same way humans prefer to lean into a turn so that we don't feel like we will fall over. In this case, an opening in the back of the seat with room behind it to point and swing their tail will be ideal.



If the tail is mostly decorative or used for protection, then it will be a question of keeping the tail safe; so, there will likely be some manner of "pocket" shaped in whatever fashion best keeps their particular tails from getting damaged.



Apart from adding a hole or pocket to the chair, the safety belts would likely not change much. You will still need to be forward facing to see where they are going, and you will still need a solid back and accessible straps which would not need to change in any meaningful way. Car seating is already designed with utility and safety in mind. When you start messing around with it too much, you create new safety concerns.






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    "An opening in the back of the seat with room behind it to point and swing their tail". Yup, that was one of my assumptions, but you give a good rationale for it. Thanks! (I don't think I'll try to figure out using their tails for steering, though 😉.)
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Have the chair back contain a "C" like cutout or an off center post. That way, as long as they get use to sitting from one side of the seat: the door side and either the right side or the left side for non-vehicle seats. Sitting will be a normal action.



Look at horse riding both horses and riders are use to people getting on the horse from one side. Anyone who is a trained rider just mounts from that side without thinking about it.



Another possibility for vehicles is to have the back support not attached to the base of the seat but attached to the top or sides of the vehicle. However, this solution doesn't help chairs around a table like the other one does. So, I don't like it because it isn't a universal solution.






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    That's... interesting, especially for a vehicle where you can pretty much know in what direction the person is going to "enter" the seat.
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    @Matthew, yes and the standing chairs would not be an inconvenience either. They would be culturally acclimated to sitting from one side of the chair from childhood. This could cause odd reactions to non-tailed being sitting in a chair from the "wrong" side.
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Split seats.



having a gap in the center of the seat, that runs all the way forward and open in the back would be best. Keep in mind some car seats are angled back far more than chairs are. with bucket seats this will let the tail point forward, or back depending on the persons sitting style. Just like in the real world you will see different styles for different vehicles, motorcycle style seats may be slightly more common. Note most car seats sit fairly high in the frame, meaning tails can stick down quite a bit as well. The groove could run all the way to the floor. The lower section of the seat will be two seperate pieces, left and right.



Now if people sit with the tail pointed back it mean that each person takes up more space in the car, so you either seat fewer people or have longer cars, you can get shorter length by staggering rows so the back row is laterally offset to the front row, thus either the front or back will only seat one person. This may make three wheel style cars more common.






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    Thanks! I will have to think about this... on the one hand, people don't always sit centered, and this might cause problems with your approach (also possibly safety concerns), and I'm not sure if that "canyon" is comfotable. OTOH this is a plausible way to "sit on" one's tail, and you raise some good points about the problems this would solve.
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I think an important piece to answer it, why do they still have tails? We had them, and they got in the way of walking/running all the time. How did they evolve and keep the tails?



There isn't a huge reason to keep the back of the seat closed, most car seats have very little structure there, just fabric pulled across it. Something like the attached imageseat without back should give them plenty of room to let their tail hang out.






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    "Why do they still have tails?" ...for the purposes of the question, that is irrelevant; that they have tails is axiomatic. Also, your answer doesn't seem to add any information in your answer that isn't already in the question (although that's a really nice picture!). In modern cars, the back seat essentially rests directly on the underbody. Where would the tails go? (The trunk?)
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    @Matthew Why they have tails still could affect how they would see them. Do they use them for balance? Do they use them as an extra limb? Are they primarily used to attract a mate? Each reason affects how they might build a seat. For example, if they are for show only, having their tail between the legs of those in the back could be embarrassing / rude. However if they use them like a limb, it might be nice to be able to grab the box of tissues off the floor.
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    They are almost surely used for communication (emoting, not language), probably for balance when moving (not necessary when sitting), and possibly "other" aesthetic reasons ("no tail, no nookie" ⇒ unlikely to just lose them). For vehicle seats, which is what I'm focusing on, assume they don't need to use them as extra limbs, and that folks in the back seat just have to deal with the tails of those in front. (But you raise an interesting point I'll have to keep in mind if I do something like a movie theater scene...)
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    The biomechanics of a tail have important consequences to the rest of the creature's body plan and movement. The creature might not sit or be able to sit the way we do, depending on the evolutionary process that led to keeping the tail in the first place.
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    @Thucydides, if you have a plausible alternative (note the paragraph along these lines in the original question), please share it as an answer! Otherwise, vague comments are not really helpful. At some point, Bellisario's Maxim / The MST3K Mantra applies... This isn't tagged reality-check.
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If the tail isn't excessively long, and can bend enough that it can run almost parallel to the rest of the spine, a simple solution for vehicles is a molded pocket that runs from the seat up the backrest. Structurally, it wouldn't change the effectiveness of the seat: you just adjust the back frame to have a gap that allows the pocket to be formed.



So the person gets in, arranges themselves so their tail is "erect", and aligned with the pocket, and then settles back, in effect enclosing their tail in cavity formed by their butt and back and the seat pocket. They might not like it, but they'd probably prefer the slight discomfort to having part of their body hanging loose and unprotected.



If they can't bend their tails that much, then the answer is a tube extension sticking out of the back of the seat angled downward the tail slides into. If it's left open, then you don't have to worry about dirt accumulation.






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    The tube would absolutely fail my "comfort" criteria. Probably the pocket as well, although TBH I think you are much more along the lines thinking I am looking for, so upvote for that. (Also, I have to think about if the base of the backrest could be designed in such a way that one could still pull their tail in and out, in which case you may be a winner...)
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Lets keep it simple and say the chair has a hole in it, for the tail, and a kind of enclosed bucket behind that, to keep the tail. And the bucket part is enclosed to keep the tail from getting kicked by whoever is sitting behind them. This assumes that the tail can bend and even curl up.



If not, then I would keep the hole, and make it so that its a societal no-no to sit behind anyone, you know, to avoid stepped on tails.



(If none of that works out then we've got a kind of slightly more private toilet.)






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Perhaps in (some?) vehicles, they don't "sit" at all.



There are harnesses for dogs that support the haunches and wrap around the body and shoulders. Something like this looks like it would be about as safe as a typical human vehicle seat (maybe more so as the body is well secured and it seems one could plausibly introduce some elasticity into this system, which would be really helpful in a crash). This isn't all that different from an arborist's harness (or indeed, many safety harnesses).



OTOH, I suspect this wouldn't be as comfortable as a "proper" seat. Probably this would be used in some situations (airplanes come to mind), but not as a first choice for e.g. personal vehicles.



(Certainly this wouldn't be used where safety restraints are not needed, e.g. desk chairs, but per the original question, those aren't an issue.)






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    i just copy paste my answer from What would a chair for a Human with a Tail look like?



    because it seems like it can be applied here



    it base from Dragon ball Chair design for the saiyan race.



    i dont know the original artist name though, found it on pinterest



    enter image description here



    so in the design it have a slit in the middle back (the image one is small but you can use bigger chair anyway) and theres also a combination of a reverse toilet hole too (basically extend the slit to become toilet hole, to accomodate different tail type/angle to be able to just sit straightly or not sit awkwardly or without contort the tail or ass first while not hindering or hurt their tail when sitting.



    and you can increase the hole gap if you want more tail movements



    i dont think this hinder the use of seatbelt.



    for visual image of the reverse toilet hole dont take it literal, and combine it with the slit design basically extend the slit to there.



    from: https://www.amazon.com/slp/chair-support-for-lower-back-pain/9uunpf37wnxx3r3



    from: https://www.indiamart.com/proddetail/hospital-toilet-chair-15480843597.html
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      Depends on why they have a tail



      If their tail is prehensile, their instinct will probably be to utilize it to catch themselves in which case, putting a pull brake under the chair instead of by the feet might feel very natural to them; so, you'll probably have something similar to a toilet seat with a lever in it.



      If the tail is used primarily for balance when they run, then their instinct will be to continue to do that the same way humans prefer to lean into a turn so that we don't feel like we will fall over. In this case, an opening in the back of the seat with room behind it to point and swing their tail will be ideal.



      If the tail is mostly decorative or used for protection, then it will be a question of keeping the tail safe; so, there will likely be some manner of "pocket" shaped in whatever fashion best keeps their particular tails from getting damaged.



      Apart from adding a hole or pocket to the chair, the safety belts would likely not change much. You will still need to be forward facing to see where they are going, and you will still need a solid back and accessible straps which would not need to change in any meaningful way. Car seating is already designed with utility and safety in mind. When you start messing around with it too much, you create new safety concerns.






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        "An opening in the back of the seat with room behind it to point and swing their tail". Yup, that was one of my assumptions, but you give a good rationale for it. Thanks! (I don't think I'll try to figure out using their tails for steering, though 😉.)
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      Depends on why they have a tail



      If their tail is prehensile, their instinct will probably be to utilize it to catch themselves in which case, putting a pull brake under the chair instead of by the feet might feel very natural to them; so, you'll probably have something similar to a toilet seat with a lever in it.



      If the tail is used primarily for balance when they run, then their instinct will be to continue to do that the same way humans prefer to lean into a turn so that we don't feel like we will fall over. In this case, an opening in the back of the seat with room behind it to point and swing their tail will be ideal.



      If the tail is mostly decorative or used for protection, then it will be a question of keeping the tail safe; so, there will likely be some manner of "pocket" shaped in whatever fashion best keeps their particular tails from getting damaged.



      Apart from adding a hole or pocket to the chair, the safety belts would likely not change much. You will still need to be forward facing to see where they are going, and you will still need a solid back and accessible straps which would not need to change in any meaningful way. Car seating is already designed with utility and safety in mind. When you start messing around with it too much, you create new safety concerns.






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        "An opening in the back of the seat with room behind it to point and swing their tail". Yup, that was one of my assumptions, but you give a good rationale for it. Thanks! (I don't think I'll try to figure out using their tails for steering, though 😉.)
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      Depends on why they have a tail



      If their tail is prehensile, their instinct will probably be to utilize it to catch themselves in which case, putting a pull brake under the chair instead of by the feet might feel very natural to them; so, you'll probably have something similar to a toilet seat with a lever in it.



      If the tail is used primarily for balance when they run, then their instinct will be to continue to do that the same way humans prefer to lean into a turn so that we don't feel like we will fall over. In this case, an opening in the back of the seat with room behind it to point and swing their tail will be ideal.



      If the tail is mostly decorative or used for protection, then it will be a question of keeping the tail safe; so, there will likely be some manner of "pocket" shaped in whatever fashion best keeps their particular tails from getting damaged.



      Apart from adding a hole or pocket to the chair, the safety belts would likely not change much. You will still need to be forward facing to see where they are going, and you will still need a solid back and accessible straps which would not need to change in any meaningful way. Car seating is already designed with utility and safety in mind. When you start messing around with it too much, you create new safety concerns.






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      Depends on why they have a tail



      If their tail is prehensile, their instinct will probably be to utilize it to catch themselves in which case, putting a pull brake under the chair instead of by the feet might feel very natural to them; so, you'll probably have something similar to a toilet seat with a lever in it.



      If the tail is used primarily for balance when they run, then their instinct will be to continue to do that the same way humans prefer to lean into a turn so that we don't feel like we will fall over. In this case, an opening in the back of the seat with room behind it to point and swing their tail will be ideal.



      If the tail is mostly decorative or used for protection, then it will be a question of keeping the tail safe; so, there will likely be some manner of "pocket" shaped in whatever fashion best keeps their particular tails from getting damaged.



      Apart from adding a hole or pocket to the chair, the safety belts would likely not change much. You will still need to be forward facing to see where they are going, and you will still need a solid back and accessible straps which would not need to change in any meaningful way. Car seating is already designed with utility and safety in mind. When you start messing around with it too much, you create new safety concerns.







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        "An opening in the back of the seat with room behind it to point and swing their tail". Yup, that was one of my assumptions, but you give a good rationale for it. Thanks! (I don't think I'll try to figure out using their tails for steering, though 😉.)
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        "An opening in the back of the seat with room behind it to point and swing their tail". Yup, that was one of my assumptions, but you give a good rationale for it. Thanks! (I don't think I'll try to figure out using their tails for steering, though 😉.)
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      "An opening in the back of the seat with room behind it to point and swing their tail". Yup, that was one of my assumptions, but you give a good rationale for it. Thanks! (I don't think I'll try to figure out using their tails for steering, though 😉.)
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      "An opening in the back of the seat with room behind it to point and swing their tail". Yup, that was one of my assumptions, but you give a good rationale for it. Thanks! (I don't think I'll try to figure out using their tails for steering, though 😉.)
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      Have the chair back contain a "C" like cutout or an off center post. That way, as long as they get use to sitting from one side of the seat: the door side and either the right side or the left side for non-vehicle seats. Sitting will be a normal action.



      Look at horse riding both horses and riders are use to people getting on the horse from one side. Anyone who is a trained rider just mounts from that side without thinking about it.



      Another possibility for vehicles is to have the back support not attached to the base of the seat but attached to the top or sides of the vehicle. However, this solution doesn't help chairs around a table like the other one does. So, I don't like it because it isn't a universal solution.






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        That's... interesting, especially for a vehicle where you can pretty much know in what direction the person is going to "enter" the seat.
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        @Matthew, yes and the standing chairs would not be an inconvenience either. They would be culturally acclimated to sitting from one side of the chair from childhood. This could cause odd reactions to non-tailed being sitting in a chair from the "wrong" side.
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      Have the chair back contain a "C" like cutout or an off center post. That way, as long as they get use to sitting from one side of the seat: the door side and either the right side or the left side for non-vehicle seats. Sitting will be a normal action.



      Look at horse riding both horses and riders are use to people getting on the horse from one side. Anyone who is a trained rider just mounts from that side without thinking about it.



      Another possibility for vehicles is to have the back support not attached to the base of the seat but attached to the top or sides of the vehicle. However, this solution doesn't help chairs around a table like the other one does. So, I don't like it because it isn't a universal solution.






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        That's... interesting, especially for a vehicle where you can pretty much know in what direction the person is going to "enter" the seat.
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        @Matthew, yes and the standing chairs would not be an inconvenience either. They would be culturally acclimated to sitting from one side of the chair from childhood. This could cause odd reactions to non-tailed being sitting in a chair from the "wrong" side.
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      Have the chair back contain a "C" like cutout or an off center post. That way, as long as they get use to sitting from one side of the seat: the door side and either the right side or the left side for non-vehicle seats. Sitting will be a normal action.



      Look at horse riding both horses and riders are use to people getting on the horse from one side. Anyone who is a trained rider just mounts from that side without thinking about it.



      Another possibility for vehicles is to have the back support not attached to the base of the seat but attached to the top or sides of the vehicle. However, this solution doesn't help chairs around a table like the other one does. So, I don't like it because it isn't a universal solution.






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      Have the chair back contain a "C" like cutout or an off center post. That way, as long as they get use to sitting from one side of the seat: the door side and either the right side or the left side for non-vehicle seats. Sitting will be a normal action.



      Look at horse riding both horses and riders are use to people getting on the horse from one side. Anyone who is a trained rider just mounts from that side without thinking about it.



      Another possibility for vehicles is to have the back support not attached to the base of the seat but attached to the top or sides of the vehicle. However, this solution doesn't help chairs around a table like the other one does. So, I don't like it because it isn't a universal solution.







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        That's... interesting, especially for a vehicle where you can pretty much know in what direction the person is going to "enter" the seat.
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        @Matthew, yes and the standing chairs would not be an inconvenience either. They would be culturally acclimated to sitting from one side of the chair from childhood. This could cause odd reactions to non-tailed being sitting in a chair from the "wrong" side.
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        That's... interesting, especially for a vehicle where you can pretty much know in what direction the person is going to "enter" the seat.
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        @Matthew, yes and the standing chairs would not be an inconvenience either. They would be culturally acclimated to sitting from one side of the chair from childhood. This could cause odd reactions to non-tailed being sitting in a chair from the "wrong" side.
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      That's... interesting, especially for a vehicle where you can pretty much know in what direction the person is going to "enter" the seat.
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      That's... interesting, especially for a vehicle where you can pretty much know in what direction the person is going to "enter" the seat.
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      @Matthew, yes and the standing chairs would not be an inconvenience either. They would be culturally acclimated to sitting from one side of the chair from childhood. This could cause odd reactions to non-tailed being sitting in a chair from the "wrong" side.
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      @Matthew, yes and the standing chairs would not be an inconvenience either. They would be culturally acclimated to sitting from one side of the chair from childhood. This could cause odd reactions to non-tailed being sitting in a chair from the "wrong" side.
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      Split seats.



      having a gap in the center of the seat, that runs all the way forward and open in the back would be best. Keep in mind some car seats are angled back far more than chairs are. with bucket seats this will let the tail point forward, or back depending on the persons sitting style. Just like in the real world you will see different styles for different vehicles, motorcycle style seats may be slightly more common. Note most car seats sit fairly high in the frame, meaning tails can stick down quite a bit as well. The groove could run all the way to the floor. The lower section of the seat will be two seperate pieces, left and right.



      Now if people sit with the tail pointed back it mean that each person takes up more space in the car, so you either seat fewer people or have longer cars, you can get shorter length by staggering rows so the back row is laterally offset to the front row, thus either the front or back will only seat one person. This may make three wheel style cars more common.






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        Thanks! I will have to think about this... on the one hand, people don't always sit centered, and this might cause problems with your approach (also possibly safety concerns), and I'm not sure if that "canyon" is comfotable. OTOH this is a plausible way to "sit on" one's tail, and you raise some good points about the problems this would solve.
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      Split seats.



      having a gap in the center of the seat, that runs all the way forward and open in the back would be best. Keep in mind some car seats are angled back far more than chairs are. with bucket seats this will let the tail point forward, or back depending on the persons sitting style. Just like in the real world you will see different styles for different vehicles, motorcycle style seats may be slightly more common. Note most car seats sit fairly high in the frame, meaning tails can stick down quite a bit as well. The groove could run all the way to the floor. The lower section of the seat will be two seperate pieces, left and right.



      Now if people sit with the tail pointed back it mean that each person takes up more space in the car, so you either seat fewer people or have longer cars, you can get shorter length by staggering rows so the back row is laterally offset to the front row, thus either the front or back will only seat one person. This may make three wheel style cars more common.






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        Thanks! I will have to think about this... on the one hand, people don't always sit centered, and this might cause problems with your approach (also possibly safety concerns), and I'm not sure if that "canyon" is comfotable. OTOH this is a plausible way to "sit on" one's tail, and you raise some good points about the problems this would solve.
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      Split seats.



      having a gap in the center of the seat, that runs all the way forward and open in the back would be best. Keep in mind some car seats are angled back far more than chairs are. with bucket seats this will let the tail point forward, or back depending on the persons sitting style. Just like in the real world you will see different styles for different vehicles, motorcycle style seats may be slightly more common. Note most car seats sit fairly high in the frame, meaning tails can stick down quite a bit as well. The groove could run all the way to the floor. The lower section of the seat will be two seperate pieces, left and right.



      Now if people sit with the tail pointed back it mean that each person takes up more space in the car, so you either seat fewer people or have longer cars, you can get shorter length by staggering rows so the back row is laterally offset to the front row, thus either the front or back will only seat one person. This may make three wheel style cars more common.






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      Split seats.



      having a gap in the center of the seat, that runs all the way forward and open in the back would be best. Keep in mind some car seats are angled back far more than chairs are. with bucket seats this will let the tail point forward, or back depending on the persons sitting style. Just like in the real world you will see different styles for different vehicles, motorcycle style seats may be slightly more common. Note most car seats sit fairly high in the frame, meaning tails can stick down quite a bit as well. The groove could run all the way to the floor. The lower section of the seat will be two seperate pieces, left and right.



      Now if people sit with the tail pointed back it mean that each person takes up more space in the car, so you either seat fewer people or have longer cars, you can get shorter length by staggering rows so the back row is laterally offset to the front row, thus either the front or back will only seat one person. This may make three wheel style cars more common.







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        Thanks! I will have to think about this... on the one hand, people don't always sit centered, and this might cause problems with your approach (also possibly safety concerns), and I'm not sure if that "canyon" is comfotable. OTOH this is a plausible way to "sit on" one's tail, and you raise some good points about the problems this would solve.
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        Thanks! I will have to think about this... on the one hand, people don't always sit centered, and this might cause problems with your approach (also possibly safety concerns), and I'm not sure if that "canyon" is comfotable. OTOH this is a plausible way to "sit on" one's tail, and you raise some good points about the problems this would solve.
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      Thanks! I will have to think about this... on the one hand, people don't always sit centered, and this might cause problems with your approach (also possibly safety concerns), and I'm not sure if that "canyon" is comfotable. OTOH this is a plausible way to "sit on" one's tail, and you raise some good points about the problems this would solve.
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      Thanks! I will have to think about this... on the one hand, people don't always sit centered, and this might cause problems with your approach (also possibly safety concerns), and I'm not sure if that "canyon" is comfotable. OTOH this is a plausible way to "sit on" one's tail, and you raise some good points about the problems this would solve.
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      I think an important piece to answer it, why do they still have tails? We had them, and they got in the way of walking/running all the time. How did they evolve and keep the tails?



      There isn't a huge reason to keep the back of the seat closed, most car seats have very little structure there, just fabric pulled across it. Something like the attached imageseat without back should give them plenty of room to let their tail hang out.






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        "Why do they still have tails?" ...for the purposes of the question, that is irrelevant; that they have tails is axiomatic. Also, your answer doesn't seem to add any information in your answer that isn't already in the question (although that's a really nice picture!). In modern cars, the back seat essentially rests directly on the underbody. Where would the tails go? (The trunk?)
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        @Matthew Why they have tails still could affect how they would see them. Do they use them for balance? Do they use them as an extra limb? Are they primarily used to attract a mate? Each reason affects how they might build a seat. For example, if they are for show only, having their tail between the legs of those in the back could be embarrassing / rude. However if they use them like a limb, it might be nice to be able to grab the box of tissues off the floor.
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        They are almost surely used for communication (emoting, not language), probably for balance when moving (not necessary when sitting), and possibly "other" aesthetic reasons ("no tail, no nookie" ⇒ unlikely to just lose them). For vehicle seats, which is what I'm focusing on, assume they don't need to use them as extra limbs, and that folks in the back seat just have to deal with the tails of those in front. (But you raise an interesting point I'll have to keep in mind if I do something like a movie theater scene...)
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        The biomechanics of a tail have important consequences to the rest of the creature's body plan and movement. The creature might not sit or be able to sit the way we do, depending on the evolutionary process that led to keeping the tail in the first place.
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        @Thucydides, if you have a plausible alternative (note the paragraph along these lines in the original question), please share it as an answer! Otherwise, vague comments are not really helpful. At some point, Bellisario's Maxim / The MST3K Mantra applies... This isn't tagged reality-check.
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      I think an important piece to answer it, why do they still have tails? We had them, and they got in the way of walking/running all the time. How did they evolve and keep the tails?



      There isn't a huge reason to keep the back of the seat closed, most car seats have very little structure there, just fabric pulled across it. Something like the attached imageseat without back should give them plenty of room to let their tail hang out.






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        "Why do they still have tails?" ...for the purposes of the question, that is irrelevant; that they have tails is axiomatic. Also, your answer doesn't seem to add any information in your answer that isn't already in the question (although that's a really nice picture!). In modern cars, the back seat essentially rests directly on the underbody. Where would the tails go? (The trunk?)
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        @Matthew Why they have tails still could affect how they would see them. Do they use them for balance? Do they use them as an extra limb? Are they primarily used to attract a mate? Each reason affects how they might build a seat. For example, if they are for show only, having their tail between the legs of those in the back could be embarrassing / rude. However if they use them like a limb, it might be nice to be able to grab the box of tissues off the floor.
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        They are almost surely used for communication (emoting, not language), probably for balance when moving (not necessary when sitting), and possibly "other" aesthetic reasons ("no tail, no nookie" ⇒ unlikely to just lose them). For vehicle seats, which is what I'm focusing on, assume they don't need to use them as extra limbs, and that folks in the back seat just have to deal with the tails of those in front. (But you raise an interesting point I'll have to keep in mind if I do something like a movie theater scene...)
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        The biomechanics of a tail have important consequences to the rest of the creature's body plan and movement. The creature might not sit or be able to sit the way we do, depending on the evolutionary process that led to keeping the tail in the first place.
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        @Thucydides, if you have a plausible alternative (note the paragraph along these lines in the original question), please share it as an answer! Otherwise, vague comments are not really helpful. At some point, Bellisario's Maxim / The MST3K Mantra applies... This isn't tagged reality-check.
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      I think an important piece to answer it, why do they still have tails? We had them, and they got in the way of walking/running all the time. How did they evolve and keep the tails?



      There isn't a huge reason to keep the back of the seat closed, most car seats have very little structure there, just fabric pulled across it. Something like the attached imageseat without back should give them plenty of room to let their tail hang out.






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      I think an important piece to answer it, why do they still have tails? We had them, and they got in the way of walking/running all the time. How did they evolve and keep the tails?



      There isn't a huge reason to keep the back of the seat closed, most car seats have very little structure there, just fabric pulled across it. Something like the attached imageseat without back should give them plenty of room to let their tail hang out.







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        "Why do they still have tails?" ...for the purposes of the question, that is irrelevant; that they have tails is axiomatic. Also, your answer doesn't seem to add any information in your answer that isn't already in the question (although that's a really nice picture!). In modern cars, the back seat essentially rests directly on the underbody. Where would the tails go? (The trunk?)
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        @Matthew Why they have tails still could affect how they would see them. Do they use them for balance? Do they use them as an extra limb? Are they primarily used to attract a mate? Each reason affects how they might build a seat. For example, if they are for show only, having their tail between the legs of those in the back could be embarrassing / rude. However if they use them like a limb, it might be nice to be able to grab the box of tissues off the floor.
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        They are almost surely used for communication (emoting, not language), probably for balance when moving (not necessary when sitting), and possibly "other" aesthetic reasons ("no tail, no nookie" ⇒ unlikely to just lose them). For vehicle seats, which is what I'm focusing on, assume they don't need to use them as extra limbs, and that folks in the back seat just have to deal with the tails of those in front. (But you raise an interesting point I'll have to keep in mind if I do something like a movie theater scene...)
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      • $begingroup$
        The biomechanics of a tail have important consequences to the rest of the creature's body plan and movement. The creature might not sit or be able to sit the way we do, depending on the evolutionary process that led to keeping the tail in the first place.
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        @Thucydides, if you have a plausible alternative (note the paragraph along these lines in the original question), please share it as an answer! Otherwise, vague comments are not really helpful. At some point, Bellisario's Maxim / The MST3K Mantra applies... This isn't tagged reality-check.
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      • $begingroup$
        "Why do they still have tails?" ...for the purposes of the question, that is irrelevant; that they have tails is axiomatic. Also, your answer doesn't seem to add any information in your answer that isn't already in the question (although that's a really nice picture!). In modern cars, the back seat essentially rests directly on the underbody. Where would the tails go? (The trunk?)
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        @Matthew Why they have tails still could affect how they would see them. Do they use them for balance? Do they use them as an extra limb? Are they primarily used to attract a mate? Each reason affects how they might build a seat. For example, if they are for show only, having their tail between the legs of those in the back could be embarrassing / rude. However if they use them like a limb, it might be nice to be able to grab the box of tissues off the floor.
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        They are almost surely used for communication (emoting, not language), probably for balance when moving (not necessary when sitting), and possibly "other" aesthetic reasons ("no tail, no nookie" ⇒ unlikely to just lose them). For vehicle seats, which is what I'm focusing on, assume they don't need to use them as extra limbs, and that folks in the back seat just have to deal with the tails of those in front. (But you raise an interesting point I'll have to keep in mind if I do something like a movie theater scene...)
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      • $begingroup$
        The biomechanics of a tail have important consequences to the rest of the creature's body plan and movement. The creature might not sit or be able to sit the way we do, depending on the evolutionary process that led to keeping the tail in the first place.
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        @Thucydides, if you have a plausible alternative (note the paragraph along these lines in the original question), please share it as an answer! Otherwise, vague comments are not really helpful. At some point, Bellisario's Maxim / The MST3K Mantra applies... This isn't tagged reality-check.
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      "Why do they still have tails?" ...for the purposes of the question, that is irrelevant; that they have tails is axiomatic. Also, your answer doesn't seem to add any information in your answer that isn't already in the question (although that's a really nice picture!). In modern cars, the back seat essentially rests directly on the underbody. Where would the tails go? (The trunk?)
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      "Why do they still have tails?" ...for the purposes of the question, that is irrelevant; that they have tails is axiomatic. Also, your answer doesn't seem to add any information in your answer that isn't already in the question (although that's a really nice picture!). In modern cars, the back seat essentially rests directly on the underbody. Where would the tails go? (The trunk?)
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      @Matthew Why they have tails still could affect how they would see them. Do they use them for balance? Do they use them as an extra limb? Are they primarily used to attract a mate? Each reason affects how they might build a seat. For example, if they are for show only, having their tail between the legs of those in the back could be embarrassing / rude. However if they use them like a limb, it might be nice to be able to grab the box of tissues off the floor.
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      @Matthew Why they have tails still could affect how they would see them. Do they use them for balance? Do they use them as an extra limb? Are they primarily used to attract a mate? Each reason affects how they might build a seat. For example, if they are for show only, having their tail between the legs of those in the back could be embarrassing / rude. However if they use them like a limb, it might be nice to be able to grab the box of tissues off the floor.
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      They are almost surely used for communication (emoting, not language), probably for balance when moving (not necessary when sitting), and possibly "other" aesthetic reasons ("no tail, no nookie" ⇒ unlikely to just lose them). For vehicle seats, which is what I'm focusing on, assume they don't need to use them as extra limbs, and that folks in the back seat just have to deal with the tails of those in front. (But you raise an interesting point I'll have to keep in mind if I do something like a movie theater scene...)
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      They are almost surely used for communication (emoting, not language), probably for balance when moving (not necessary when sitting), and possibly "other" aesthetic reasons ("no tail, no nookie" ⇒ unlikely to just lose them). For vehicle seats, which is what I'm focusing on, assume they don't need to use them as extra limbs, and that folks in the back seat just have to deal with the tails of those in front. (But you raise an interesting point I'll have to keep in mind if I do something like a movie theater scene...)
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      The biomechanics of a tail have important consequences to the rest of the creature's body plan and movement. The creature might not sit or be able to sit the way we do, depending on the evolutionary process that led to keeping the tail in the first place.
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      – Thucydides
      7 hours ago




      $begingroup$
      The biomechanics of a tail have important consequences to the rest of the creature's body plan and movement. The creature might not sit or be able to sit the way we do, depending on the evolutionary process that led to keeping the tail in the first place.
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      @Thucydides, if you have a plausible alternative (note the paragraph along these lines in the original question), please share it as an answer! Otherwise, vague comments are not really helpful. At some point, Bellisario's Maxim / The MST3K Mantra applies... This isn't tagged reality-check.
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      – Matthew
      6 hours ago




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      @Thucydides, if you have a plausible alternative (note the paragraph along these lines in the original question), please share it as an answer! Otherwise, vague comments are not really helpful. At some point, Bellisario's Maxim / The MST3K Mantra applies... This isn't tagged reality-check.
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      If the tail isn't excessively long, and can bend enough that it can run almost parallel to the rest of the spine, a simple solution for vehicles is a molded pocket that runs from the seat up the backrest. Structurally, it wouldn't change the effectiveness of the seat: you just adjust the back frame to have a gap that allows the pocket to be formed.



      So the person gets in, arranges themselves so their tail is "erect", and aligned with the pocket, and then settles back, in effect enclosing their tail in cavity formed by their butt and back and the seat pocket. They might not like it, but they'd probably prefer the slight discomfort to having part of their body hanging loose and unprotected.



      If they can't bend their tails that much, then the answer is a tube extension sticking out of the back of the seat angled downward the tail slides into. If it's left open, then you don't have to worry about dirt accumulation.






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        The tube would absolutely fail my "comfort" criteria. Probably the pocket as well, although TBH I think you are much more along the lines thinking I am looking for, so upvote for that. (Also, I have to think about if the base of the backrest could be designed in such a way that one could still pull their tail in and out, in which case you may be a winner...)
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      If the tail isn't excessively long, and can bend enough that it can run almost parallel to the rest of the spine, a simple solution for vehicles is a molded pocket that runs from the seat up the backrest. Structurally, it wouldn't change the effectiveness of the seat: you just adjust the back frame to have a gap that allows the pocket to be formed.



      So the person gets in, arranges themselves so their tail is "erect", and aligned with the pocket, and then settles back, in effect enclosing their tail in cavity formed by their butt and back and the seat pocket. They might not like it, but they'd probably prefer the slight discomfort to having part of their body hanging loose and unprotected.



      If they can't bend their tails that much, then the answer is a tube extension sticking out of the back of the seat angled downward the tail slides into. If it's left open, then you don't have to worry about dirt accumulation.






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        The tube would absolutely fail my "comfort" criteria. Probably the pocket as well, although TBH I think you are much more along the lines thinking I am looking for, so upvote for that. (Also, I have to think about if the base of the backrest could be designed in such a way that one could still pull their tail in and out, in which case you may be a winner...)
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      If the tail isn't excessively long, and can bend enough that it can run almost parallel to the rest of the spine, a simple solution for vehicles is a molded pocket that runs from the seat up the backrest. Structurally, it wouldn't change the effectiveness of the seat: you just adjust the back frame to have a gap that allows the pocket to be formed.



      So the person gets in, arranges themselves so their tail is "erect", and aligned with the pocket, and then settles back, in effect enclosing their tail in cavity formed by their butt and back and the seat pocket. They might not like it, but they'd probably prefer the slight discomfort to having part of their body hanging loose and unprotected.



      If they can't bend their tails that much, then the answer is a tube extension sticking out of the back of the seat angled downward the tail slides into. If it's left open, then you don't have to worry about dirt accumulation.






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      If the tail isn't excessively long, and can bend enough that it can run almost parallel to the rest of the spine, a simple solution for vehicles is a molded pocket that runs from the seat up the backrest. Structurally, it wouldn't change the effectiveness of the seat: you just adjust the back frame to have a gap that allows the pocket to be formed.



      So the person gets in, arranges themselves so their tail is "erect", and aligned with the pocket, and then settles back, in effect enclosing their tail in cavity formed by their butt and back and the seat pocket. They might not like it, but they'd probably prefer the slight discomfort to having part of their body hanging loose and unprotected.



      If they can't bend their tails that much, then the answer is a tube extension sticking out of the back of the seat angled downward the tail slides into. If it's left open, then you don't have to worry about dirt accumulation.







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        The tube would absolutely fail my "comfort" criteria. Probably the pocket as well, although TBH I think you are much more along the lines thinking I am looking for, so upvote for that. (Also, I have to think about if the base of the backrest could be designed in such a way that one could still pull their tail in and out, in which case you may be a winner...)
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        The tube would absolutely fail my "comfort" criteria. Probably the pocket as well, although TBH I think you are much more along the lines thinking I am looking for, so upvote for that. (Also, I have to think about if the base of the backrest could be designed in such a way that one could still pull their tail in and out, in which case you may be a winner...)
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      The tube would absolutely fail my "comfort" criteria. Probably the pocket as well, although TBH I think you are much more along the lines thinking I am looking for, so upvote for that. (Also, I have to think about if the base of the backrest could be designed in such a way that one could still pull their tail in and out, in which case you may be a winner...)
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      The tube would absolutely fail my "comfort" criteria. Probably the pocket as well, although TBH I think you are much more along the lines thinking I am looking for, so upvote for that. (Also, I have to think about if the base of the backrest could be designed in such a way that one could still pull their tail in and out, in which case you may be a winner...)
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      Lets keep it simple and say the chair has a hole in it, for the tail, and a kind of enclosed bucket behind that, to keep the tail. And the bucket part is enclosed to keep the tail from getting kicked by whoever is sitting behind them. This assumes that the tail can bend and even curl up.



      If not, then I would keep the hole, and make it so that its a societal no-no to sit behind anyone, you know, to avoid stepped on tails.



      (If none of that works out then we've got a kind of slightly more private toilet.)






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        you can use staggered seating, two in front one in back, to get around the tail.
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      Lets keep it simple and say the chair has a hole in it, for the tail, and a kind of enclosed bucket behind that, to keep the tail. And the bucket part is enclosed to keep the tail from getting kicked by whoever is sitting behind them. This assumes that the tail can bend and even curl up.



      If not, then I would keep the hole, and make it so that its a societal no-no to sit behind anyone, you know, to avoid stepped on tails.



      (If none of that works out then we've got a kind of slightly more private toilet.)






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        you can use staggered seating, two in front one in back, to get around the tail.
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      Lets keep it simple and say the chair has a hole in it, for the tail, and a kind of enclosed bucket behind that, to keep the tail. And the bucket part is enclosed to keep the tail from getting kicked by whoever is sitting behind them. This assumes that the tail can bend and even curl up.



      If not, then I would keep the hole, and make it so that its a societal no-no to sit behind anyone, you know, to avoid stepped on tails.



      (If none of that works out then we've got a kind of slightly more private toilet.)






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      Lets keep it simple and say the chair has a hole in it, for the tail, and a kind of enclosed bucket behind that, to keep the tail. And the bucket part is enclosed to keep the tail from getting kicked by whoever is sitting behind them. This assumes that the tail can bend and even curl up.



      If not, then I would keep the hole, and make it so that its a societal no-no to sit behind anyone, you know, to avoid stepped on tails.



      (If none of that works out then we've got a kind of slightly more private toilet.)







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        you can use staggered seating, two in front one in back, to get around the tail.
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        you can use staggered seating, two in front one in back, to get around the tail.
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      you can use staggered seating, two in front one in back, to get around the tail.
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      you can use staggered seating, two in front one in back, to get around the tail.
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      Perhaps in (some?) vehicles, they don't "sit" at all.



      There are harnesses for dogs that support the haunches and wrap around the body and shoulders. Something like this looks like it would be about as safe as a typical human vehicle seat (maybe more so as the body is well secured and it seems one could plausibly introduce some elasticity into this system, which would be really helpful in a crash). This isn't all that different from an arborist's harness (or indeed, many safety harnesses).



      OTOH, I suspect this wouldn't be as comfortable as a "proper" seat. Probably this would be used in some situations (airplanes come to mind), but not as a first choice for e.g. personal vehicles.



      (Certainly this wouldn't be used where safety restraints are not needed, e.g. desk chairs, but per the original question, those aren't an issue.)






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        Perhaps in (some?) vehicles, they don't "sit" at all.



        There are harnesses for dogs that support the haunches and wrap around the body and shoulders. Something like this looks like it would be about as safe as a typical human vehicle seat (maybe more so as the body is well secured and it seems one could plausibly introduce some elasticity into this system, which would be really helpful in a crash). This isn't all that different from an arborist's harness (or indeed, many safety harnesses).



        OTOH, I suspect this wouldn't be as comfortable as a "proper" seat. Probably this would be used in some situations (airplanes come to mind), but not as a first choice for e.g. personal vehicles.



        (Certainly this wouldn't be used where safety restraints are not needed, e.g. desk chairs, but per the original question, those aren't an issue.)






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          Perhaps in (some?) vehicles, they don't "sit" at all.



          There are harnesses for dogs that support the haunches and wrap around the body and shoulders. Something like this looks like it would be about as safe as a typical human vehicle seat (maybe more so as the body is well secured and it seems one could plausibly introduce some elasticity into this system, which would be really helpful in a crash). This isn't all that different from an arborist's harness (or indeed, many safety harnesses).



          OTOH, I suspect this wouldn't be as comfortable as a "proper" seat. Probably this would be used in some situations (airplanes come to mind), but not as a first choice for e.g. personal vehicles.



          (Certainly this wouldn't be used where safety restraints are not needed, e.g. desk chairs, but per the original question, those aren't an issue.)






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          Perhaps in (some?) vehicles, they don't "sit" at all.



          There are harnesses for dogs that support the haunches and wrap around the body and shoulders. Something like this looks like it would be about as safe as a typical human vehicle seat (maybe more so as the body is well secured and it seems one could plausibly introduce some elasticity into this system, which would be really helpful in a crash). This isn't all that different from an arborist's harness (or indeed, many safety harnesses).



          OTOH, I suspect this wouldn't be as comfortable as a "proper" seat. Probably this would be used in some situations (airplanes come to mind), but not as a first choice for e.g. personal vehicles.



          (Certainly this wouldn't be used where safety restraints are not needed, e.g. desk chairs, but per the original question, those aren't an issue.)







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              i just copy paste my answer from What would a chair for a Human with a Tail look like?



              because it seems like it can be applied here



              it base from Dragon ball Chair design for the saiyan race.



              i dont know the original artist name though, found it on pinterest



              enter image description here



              so in the design it have a slit in the middle back (the image one is small but you can use bigger chair anyway) and theres also a combination of a reverse toilet hole too (basically extend the slit to become toilet hole, to accomodate different tail type/angle to be able to just sit straightly or not sit awkwardly or without contort the tail or ass first while not hindering or hurt their tail when sitting.



              and you can increase the hole gap if you want more tail movements



              i dont think this hinder the use of seatbelt.



              for visual image of the reverse toilet hole dont take it literal, and combine it with the slit design basically extend the slit to there.



              from: https://www.amazon.com/slp/chair-support-for-lower-back-pain/9uunpf37wnxx3r3



              from: https://www.indiamart.com/proddetail/hospital-toilet-chair-15480843597.html
              enter image description here






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                i just copy paste my answer from What would a chair for a Human with a Tail look like?



                because it seems like it can be applied here



                it base from Dragon ball Chair design for the saiyan race.



                i dont know the original artist name though, found it on pinterest



                enter image description here



                so in the design it have a slit in the middle back (the image one is small but you can use bigger chair anyway) and theres also a combination of a reverse toilet hole too (basically extend the slit to become toilet hole, to accomodate different tail type/angle to be able to just sit straightly or not sit awkwardly or without contort the tail or ass first while not hindering or hurt their tail when sitting.



                and you can increase the hole gap if you want more tail movements



                i dont think this hinder the use of seatbelt.



                for visual image of the reverse toilet hole dont take it literal, and combine it with the slit design basically extend the slit to there.



                from: https://www.amazon.com/slp/chair-support-for-lower-back-pain/9uunpf37wnxx3r3



                from: https://www.indiamart.com/proddetail/hospital-toilet-chair-15480843597.html
                enter image description here






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                  i just copy paste my answer from What would a chair for a Human with a Tail look like?



                  because it seems like it can be applied here



                  it base from Dragon ball Chair design for the saiyan race.



                  i dont know the original artist name though, found it on pinterest



                  enter image description here



                  so in the design it have a slit in the middle back (the image one is small but you can use bigger chair anyway) and theres also a combination of a reverse toilet hole too (basically extend the slit to become toilet hole, to accomodate different tail type/angle to be able to just sit straightly or not sit awkwardly or without contort the tail or ass first while not hindering or hurt their tail when sitting.



                  and you can increase the hole gap if you want more tail movements



                  i dont think this hinder the use of seatbelt.



                  for visual image of the reverse toilet hole dont take it literal, and combine it with the slit design basically extend the slit to there.



                  from: https://www.amazon.com/slp/chair-support-for-lower-back-pain/9uunpf37wnxx3r3



                  from: https://www.indiamart.com/proddetail/hospital-toilet-chair-15480843597.html
                  enter image description here






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                  i just copy paste my answer from What would a chair for a Human with a Tail look like?



                  because it seems like it can be applied here



                  it base from Dragon ball Chair design for the saiyan race.



                  i dont know the original artist name though, found it on pinterest



                  enter image description here



                  so in the design it have a slit in the middle back (the image one is small but you can use bigger chair anyway) and theres also a combination of a reverse toilet hole too (basically extend the slit to become toilet hole, to accomodate different tail type/angle to be able to just sit straightly or not sit awkwardly or without contort the tail or ass first while not hindering or hurt their tail when sitting.



                  and you can increase the hole gap if you want more tail movements



                  i dont think this hinder the use of seatbelt.



                  for visual image of the reverse toilet hole dont take it literal, and combine it with the slit design basically extend the slit to there.



                  from: https://www.amazon.com/slp/chair-support-for-lower-back-pain/9uunpf37wnxx3r3



                  from: https://www.indiamart.com/proddetail/hospital-toilet-chair-15480843597.html
                  enter image description here







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