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Finding the angle between the negative y-axis and the cross product of two vectorsCalculate two vectors given their norms and angleAngle between two vectors not in same planeVectors and co-linearityFindings the dot product between two non-adjacent vectorsvertical angle between vectorsLength of vector resulting from cross productAngle between two 3D velocity vectors as time approaches infinity
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The angle between the vectors $overrightarrow a$ and $overrightarrow b$ is $pi/3$, $overrightarrow b$ and $overrightarrow c$ is $pi/4$, $overrightarrow c$ and $overrightarrow a$ is $pi/6$.
Find the angle between $overrightarrow a$ and $overrightarrow btimes overrightarrow c$
I tried to calculate the angle by drawing the diagram and geometry but it didn't work out for me.
The brute Force method of fixing two of the vectors as convenient position vectors also got messy.
How can we evaluate this? I would prefer a general approach, but if there isn't any, a brute Force approach would also be fine.
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The angle between the vectors $overrightarrow a$ and $overrightarrow b$ is $pi/3$, $overrightarrow b$ and $overrightarrow c$ is $pi/4$, $overrightarrow c$ and $overrightarrow a$ is $pi/6$.
Find the angle between $overrightarrow a$ and $overrightarrow btimes overrightarrow c$
I tried to calculate the angle by drawing the diagram and geometry but it didn't work out for me.
The brute Force method of fixing two of the vectors as convenient position vectors also got messy.
How can we evaluate this? I would prefer a general approach, but if there isn't any, a brute Force approach would also be fine.
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The angle between the vectors $overrightarrow a$ and $overrightarrow b$ is $pi/3$, $overrightarrow b$ and $overrightarrow c$ is $pi/4$, $overrightarrow c$ and $overrightarrow a$ is $pi/6$.
Find the angle between $overrightarrow a$ and $overrightarrow btimes overrightarrow c$
I tried to calculate the angle by drawing the diagram and geometry but it didn't work out for me.
The brute Force method of fixing two of the vectors as convenient position vectors also got messy.
How can we evaluate this? I would prefer a general approach, but if there isn't any, a brute Force approach would also be fine.
vector-spaces vectors 3d
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The angle between the vectors $overrightarrow a$ and $overrightarrow b$ is $pi/3$, $overrightarrow b$ and $overrightarrow c$ is $pi/4$, $overrightarrow c$ and $overrightarrow a$ is $pi/6$.
Find the angle between $overrightarrow a$ and $overrightarrow btimes overrightarrow c$
I tried to calculate the angle by drawing the diagram and geometry but it didn't work out for me.
The brute Force method of fixing two of the vectors as convenient position vectors also got messy.
How can we evaluate this? I would prefer a general approach, but if there isn't any, a brute Force approach would also be fine.
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We only need angles so assume all vectors are unit vectors.
Angles between vectors are ab , bc and ca .
Now
$$sintheta=fracoverrightarrow a times(overrightarrow b times overrightarrow c)overrightarrow a=fracb$$
$$=fracoverrightarrow b cos ac-overrightarrow c cos absin pi over 4$$
$$=fracsqrt1^2.cos^2 ac+1^2 cos^2 ab-2(cos ac)(cos ab)(cos ac)1 over sqrt2$$
Can you take it from here.
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Assume WLOG unitary vectors and $vec a=hat i$ and $vec bin (x,y)$ plane, then we have that
- $hat icdot vec b =frac12 implies b_x=frac12,; b_y=fracsqrt 32$
- $vec bcdot vec c =fracsqrt 22implies frac12 c_x+fracsqrt 32c_y=fracsqrt 22 implies c_x+sqrt 3 c_y=sqrt 2$
- $vec ccdot hat i =fracsqrt 32 implies c_x=fracsqrt 32 implies c_y=fracsqrt 2sqrt 3-frac12$
then we can find $c_z$ and finally the requested angle.
Here is a plot for this particular solution

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$vec bcdot vec c =fracsqrt 22$ is only true if $;|b|·|c|=1 ;$ which is not in the given data. Same goes for the others modules.
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@Ripi2 I'm assuming wlog unitary vectors.
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Nice to see you are back and active again. $c_z=sqrtsqrt2/3-2/3$. Then would not $btimes c$ and $|btimes c|$ be tedious? Any shortcuts?
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@farruhota Thanks, nice to see you again! I've just added some elaboration by wolfy. I obtain a quite different $c_z$.
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$c_a^2+c_b^2+c_z^2=1 Rightarrow c_z=sqrt1-(sqrt3/2)^2-(sqrt2/3-1/2)^2= sqrtsqrt2/3-2/3$. You are right, it is equal to yours.
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Here is one solution, which is quite general:
Assuming the vectors are 3D with right handed orthonormal basis $(hat i,hat j, hat k)$ :
Without loss of generality, fix $overrightarrow a$ as $a hat i$ and $overrightarrow b$ as $b(cosfracpi 3 hat i + sinfracpi 3 hat j) = b(fracsqrt3 2 hat i + frac 12 hat j)$. We know $c$ must be of the form $c(cosfracpi6 hat i + s hat j + t hat k)=c(frac 12 hat i + s hat j + t hat k)$.
To keep things general let $x = fracpi6.$ So we have:
$$cos^2x + s^2 + t^2 = 1$$
$$s^2 + t^2 = sin^2x$$
Let's have another variable, say, $y$. We may write $s$ as $sin x cos y$ and $t$ as $sin x sin y$ and our equation will still hold as $$s^2 + t^2 = sin^2x(cos^2 y + sin^2 y)$$ If we can find $y$ we can find $s,$ $t$, and hence the vector $c$. We have information that will help us do this. $overrightarrow b cdot overrightarrow c$ gives us that $$cos^2x + sin^2xcos y = cos z$$ where $z$ is the angle between $b$ and $c$, here, $fracpi4$.
So, here, we have $$frac 34 + frac 14cos y = frac1sqrt2 $$
$$cos y = 2sqrt 2 - 3$$.
$$s = sqrt 2 - frac32$$
$$t = sqrtsin^2x-s^2 = sqrt3sqrt2 - 4$$
We have now the vectors required to give us the answer. Take box product $[overrightarrow a, overrightarrow b, overrightarrow c]$. This is $a|overrightarrow b times overrightarrow c| costheta$. Divide by the magnitudes and take its $arccos$.
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This was exactly my approach until the step where you substituted s and t. Very nicely done.
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Could you please share the motivation behind the substitution?
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Thank you! I have done a similar problem before. In it, I had taken $t$ to be $kcdot s$. This gives $sin^2 x = s^2(1+k^2)$. I experimented putting $k = tan y$ and from that I was able to solve it. Later, in another book, I saw it written as I have in my answer. I feel like this is probably more instructive. (It is, of course, the same thing).
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We only need angles so assume all vectors are unit vectors.
Angles between vectors are ab , bc and ca .
Now
$$sintheta=fracoverrightarrow a times(overrightarrow b times overrightarrow c)overrightarrow a=fracb$$
$$=fracoverrightarrow b cos ac-overrightarrow c cos absin pi over 4$$
$$=fracsqrt1^2.cos^2 ac+1^2 cos^2 ab-2(cos ac)(cos ab)(cos ac)1 over sqrt2$$
Can you take it from here.
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We only need angles so assume all vectors are unit vectors.
Angles between vectors are ab , bc and ca .
Now
$$sintheta=fracoverrightarrow a times(overrightarrow b times overrightarrow c)overrightarrow a=fracb$$
$$=fracoverrightarrow b cos ac-overrightarrow c cos absin pi over 4$$
$$=fracsqrt1^2.cos^2 ac+1^2 cos^2 ab-2(cos ac)(cos ab)(cos ac)1 over sqrt2$$
Can you take it from here.
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We only need angles so assume all vectors are unit vectors.
Angles between vectors are ab , bc and ca .
Now
$$sintheta=fracoverrightarrow a times(overrightarrow b times overrightarrow c)overrightarrow a=fracb$$
$$=fracoverrightarrow b cos ac-overrightarrow c cos absin pi over 4$$
$$=fracsqrt1^2.cos^2 ac+1^2 cos^2 ab-2(cos ac)(cos ab)(cos ac)1 over sqrt2$$
Can you take it from here.
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We only need angles so assume all vectors are unit vectors.
Angles between vectors are ab , bc and ca .
Now
$$sintheta=fracoverrightarrow a times(overrightarrow b times overrightarrow c)overrightarrow a=fracb$$
$$=fracoverrightarrow b cos ac-overrightarrow c cos absin pi over 4$$
$$=fracsqrt1^2.cos^2 ac+1^2 cos^2 ab-2(cos ac)(cos ab)(cos ac)1 over sqrt2$$
Can you take it from here.
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Assume WLOG unitary vectors and $vec a=hat i$ and $vec bin (x,y)$ plane, then we have that
- $hat icdot vec b =frac12 implies b_x=frac12,; b_y=fracsqrt 32$
- $vec bcdot vec c =fracsqrt 22implies frac12 c_x+fracsqrt 32c_y=fracsqrt 22 implies c_x+sqrt 3 c_y=sqrt 2$
- $vec ccdot hat i =fracsqrt 32 implies c_x=fracsqrt 32 implies c_y=fracsqrt 2sqrt 3-frac12$
then we can find $c_z$ and finally the requested angle.
Here is a plot for this particular solution

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$vec bcdot vec c =fracsqrt 22$ is only true if $;|b|·|c|=1 ;$ which is not in the given data. Same goes for the others modules.
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@Ripi2 I'm assuming wlog unitary vectors.
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Nice to see you are back and active again. $c_z=sqrtsqrt2/3-2/3$. Then would not $btimes c$ and $|btimes c|$ be tedious? Any shortcuts?
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@farruhota Thanks, nice to see you again! I've just added some elaboration by wolfy. I obtain a quite different $c_z$.
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$c_a^2+c_b^2+c_z^2=1 Rightarrow c_z=sqrt1-(sqrt3/2)^2-(sqrt2/3-1/2)^2= sqrtsqrt2/3-2/3$. You are right, it is equal to yours.
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Assume WLOG unitary vectors and $vec a=hat i$ and $vec bin (x,y)$ plane, then we have that
- $hat icdot vec b =frac12 implies b_x=frac12,; b_y=fracsqrt 32$
- $vec bcdot vec c =fracsqrt 22implies frac12 c_x+fracsqrt 32c_y=fracsqrt 22 implies c_x+sqrt 3 c_y=sqrt 2$
- $vec ccdot hat i =fracsqrt 32 implies c_x=fracsqrt 32 implies c_y=fracsqrt 2sqrt 3-frac12$
then we can find $c_z$ and finally the requested angle.
Here is a plot for this particular solution

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$vec bcdot vec c =fracsqrt 22$ is only true if $;|b|·|c|=1 ;$ which is not in the given data. Same goes for the others modules.
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– Ripi2
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@Ripi2 I'm assuming wlog unitary vectors.
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Nice to see you are back and active again. $c_z=sqrtsqrt2/3-2/3$. Then would not $btimes c$ and $|btimes c|$ be tedious? Any shortcuts?
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– farruhota
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@farruhota Thanks, nice to see you again! I've just added some elaboration by wolfy. I obtain a quite different $c_z$.
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– gimusi
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$c_a^2+c_b^2+c_z^2=1 Rightarrow c_z=sqrt1-(sqrt3/2)^2-(sqrt2/3-1/2)^2= sqrtsqrt2/3-2/3$. You are right, it is equal to yours.
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Assume WLOG unitary vectors and $vec a=hat i$ and $vec bin (x,y)$ plane, then we have that
- $hat icdot vec b =frac12 implies b_x=frac12,; b_y=fracsqrt 32$
- $vec bcdot vec c =fracsqrt 22implies frac12 c_x+fracsqrt 32c_y=fracsqrt 22 implies c_x+sqrt 3 c_y=sqrt 2$
- $vec ccdot hat i =fracsqrt 32 implies c_x=fracsqrt 32 implies c_y=fracsqrt 2sqrt 3-frac12$
then we can find $c_z$ and finally the requested angle.
Here is a plot for this particular solution

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Assume WLOG unitary vectors and $vec a=hat i$ and $vec bin (x,y)$ plane, then we have that
- $hat icdot vec b =frac12 implies b_x=frac12,; b_y=fracsqrt 32$
- $vec bcdot vec c =fracsqrt 22implies frac12 c_x+fracsqrt 32c_y=fracsqrt 22 implies c_x+sqrt 3 c_y=sqrt 2$
- $vec ccdot hat i =fracsqrt 32 implies c_x=fracsqrt 32 implies c_y=fracsqrt 2sqrt 3-frac12$
then we can find $c_z$ and finally the requested angle.
Here is a plot for this particular solution

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$vec bcdot vec c =fracsqrt 22$ is only true if $;|b|·|c|=1 ;$ which is not in the given data. Same goes for the others modules.
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@Ripi2 I'm assuming wlog unitary vectors.
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Nice to see you are back and active again. $c_z=sqrtsqrt2/3-2/3$. Then would not $btimes c$ and $|btimes c|$ be tedious? Any shortcuts?
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– farruhota
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@farruhota Thanks, nice to see you again! I've just added some elaboration by wolfy. I obtain a quite different $c_z$.
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– gimusi
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$c_a^2+c_b^2+c_z^2=1 Rightarrow c_z=sqrt1-(sqrt3/2)^2-(sqrt2/3-1/2)^2= sqrtsqrt2/3-2/3$. You are right, it is equal to yours.
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$vec bcdot vec c =fracsqrt 22$ is only true if $;|b|·|c|=1 ;$ which is not in the given data. Same goes for the others modules.
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– Ripi2
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@Ripi2 I'm assuming wlog unitary vectors.
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Nice to see you are back and active again. $c_z=sqrtsqrt2/3-2/3$. Then would not $btimes c$ and $|btimes c|$ be tedious? Any shortcuts?
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– farruhota
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@farruhota Thanks, nice to see you again! I've just added some elaboration by wolfy. I obtain a quite different $c_z$.
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$c_a^2+c_b^2+c_z^2=1 Rightarrow c_z=sqrt1-(sqrt3/2)^2-(sqrt2/3-1/2)^2= sqrtsqrt2/3-2/3$. You are right, it is equal to yours.
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– farruhota
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$vec bcdot vec c =fracsqrt 22$ is only true if $;|b|·|c|=1 ;$ which is not in the given data. Same goes for the others modules.
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– Ripi2
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$vec bcdot vec c =fracsqrt 22$ is only true if $;|b|·|c|=1 ;$ which is not in the given data. Same goes for the others modules.
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– Ripi2
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@Ripi2 I'm assuming wlog unitary vectors.
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@Ripi2 I'm assuming wlog unitary vectors.
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Nice to see you are back and active again. $c_z=sqrtsqrt2/3-2/3$. Then would not $btimes c$ and $|btimes c|$ be tedious? Any shortcuts?
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– farruhota
7 hours ago
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Nice to see you are back and active again. $c_z=sqrtsqrt2/3-2/3$. Then would not $btimes c$ and $|btimes c|$ be tedious? Any shortcuts?
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– farruhota
7 hours ago
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@farruhota Thanks, nice to see you again! I've just added some elaboration by wolfy. I obtain a quite different $c_z$.
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– gimusi
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@farruhota Thanks, nice to see you again! I've just added some elaboration by wolfy. I obtain a quite different $c_z$.
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– gimusi
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$c_a^2+c_b^2+c_z^2=1 Rightarrow c_z=sqrt1-(sqrt3/2)^2-(sqrt2/3-1/2)^2= sqrtsqrt2/3-2/3$. You are right, it is equal to yours.
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$c_a^2+c_b^2+c_z^2=1 Rightarrow c_z=sqrt1-(sqrt3/2)^2-(sqrt2/3-1/2)^2= sqrtsqrt2/3-2/3$. You are right, it is equal to yours.
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Here is one solution, which is quite general:
Assuming the vectors are 3D with right handed orthonormal basis $(hat i,hat j, hat k)$ :
Without loss of generality, fix $overrightarrow a$ as $a hat i$ and $overrightarrow b$ as $b(cosfracpi 3 hat i + sinfracpi 3 hat j) = b(fracsqrt3 2 hat i + frac 12 hat j)$. We know $c$ must be of the form $c(cosfracpi6 hat i + s hat j + t hat k)=c(frac 12 hat i + s hat j + t hat k)$.
To keep things general let $x = fracpi6.$ So we have:
$$cos^2x + s^2 + t^2 = 1$$
$$s^2 + t^2 = sin^2x$$
Let's have another variable, say, $y$. We may write $s$ as $sin x cos y$ and $t$ as $sin x sin y$ and our equation will still hold as $$s^2 + t^2 = sin^2x(cos^2 y + sin^2 y)$$ If we can find $y$ we can find $s,$ $t$, and hence the vector $c$. We have information that will help us do this. $overrightarrow b cdot overrightarrow c$ gives us that $$cos^2x + sin^2xcos y = cos z$$ where $z$ is the angle between $b$ and $c$, here, $fracpi4$.
So, here, we have $$frac 34 + frac 14cos y = frac1sqrt2 $$
$$cos y = 2sqrt 2 - 3$$.
$$s = sqrt 2 - frac32$$
$$t = sqrtsin^2x-s^2 = sqrt3sqrt2 - 4$$
We have now the vectors required to give us the answer. Take box product $[overrightarrow a, overrightarrow b, overrightarrow c]$. This is $a|overrightarrow b times overrightarrow c| costheta$. Divide by the magnitudes and take its $arccos$.
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This was exactly my approach until the step where you substituted s and t. Very nicely done.
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Could you please share the motivation behind the substitution?
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Thank you! I have done a similar problem before. In it, I had taken $t$ to be $kcdot s$. This gives $sin^2 x = s^2(1+k^2)$. I experimented putting $k = tan y$ and from that I was able to solve it. Later, in another book, I saw it written as I have in my answer. I feel like this is probably more instructive. (It is, of course, the same thing).
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Here is one solution, which is quite general:
Assuming the vectors are 3D with right handed orthonormal basis $(hat i,hat j, hat k)$ :
Without loss of generality, fix $overrightarrow a$ as $a hat i$ and $overrightarrow b$ as $b(cosfracpi 3 hat i + sinfracpi 3 hat j) = b(fracsqrt3 2 hat i + frac 12 hat j)$. We know $c$ must be of the form $c(cosfracpi6 hat i + s hat j + t hat k)=c(frac 12 hat i + s hat j + t hat k)$.
To keep things general let $x = fracpi6.$ So we have:
$$cos^2x + s^2 + t^2 = 1$$
$$s^2 + t^2 = sin^2x$$
Let's have another variable, say, $y$. We may write $s$ as $sin x cos y$ and $t$ as $sin x sin y$ and our equation will still hold as $$s^2 + t^2 = sin^2x(cos^2 y + sin^2 y)$$ If we can find $y$ we can find $s,$ $t$, and hence the vector $c$. We have information that will help us do this. $overrightarrow b cdot overrightarrow c$ gives us that $$cos^2x + sin^2xcos y = cos z$$ where $z$ is the angle between $b$ and $c$, here, $fracpi4$.
So, here, we have $$frac 34 + frac 14cos y = frac1sqrt2 $$
$$cos y = 2sqrt 2 - 3$$.
$$s = sqrt 2 - frac32$$
$$t = sqrtsin^2x-s^2 = sqrt3sqrt2 - 4$$
We have now the vectors required to give us the answer. Take box product $[overrightarrow a, overrightarrow b, overrightarrow c]$. This is $a|overrightarrow b times overrightarrow c| costheta$. Divide by the magnitudes and take its $arccos$.
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This was exactly my approach until the step where you substituted s and t. Very nicely done.
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Could you please share the motivation behind the substitution?
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Thank you! I have done a similar problem before. In it, I had taken $t$ to be $kcdot s$. This gives $sin^2 x = s^2(1+k^2)$. I experimented putting $k = tan y$ and from that I was able to solve it. Later, in another book, I saw it written as I have in my answer. I feel like this is probably more instructive. (It is, of course, the same thing).
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Here is one solution, which is quite general:
Assuming the vectors are 3D with right handed orthonormal basis $(hat i,hat j, hat k)$ :
Without loss of generality, fix $overrightarrow a$ as $a hat i$ and $overrightarrow b$ as $b(cosfracpi 3 hat i + sinfracpi 3 hat j) = b(fracsqrt3 2 hat i + frac 12 hat j)$. We know $c$ must be of the form $c(cosfracpi6 hat i + s hat j + t hat k)=c(frac 12 hat i + s hat j + t hat k)$.
To keep things general let $x = fracpi6.$ So we have:
$$cos^2x + s^2 + t^2 = 1$$
$$s^2 + t^2 = sin^2x$$
Let's have another variable, say, $y$. We may write $s$ as $sin x cos y$ and $t$ as $sin x sin y$ and our equation will still hold as $$s^2 + t^2 = sin^2x(cos^2 y + sin^2 y)$$ If we can find $y$ we can find $s,$ $t$, and hence the vector $c$. We have information that will help us do this. $overrightarrow b cdot overrightarrow c$ gives us that $$cos^2x + sin^2xcos y = cos z$$ where $z$ is the angle between $b$ and $c$, here, $fracpi4$.
So, here, we have $$frac 34 + frac 14cos y = frac1sqrt2 $$
$$cos y = 2sqrt 2 - 3$$.
$$s = sqrt 2 - frac32$$
$$t = sqrtsin^2x-s^2 = sqrt3sqrt2 - 4$$
We have now the vectors required to give us the answer. Take box product $[overrightarrow a, overrightarrow b, overrightarrow c]$. This is $a|overrightarrow b times overrightarrow c| costheta$. Divide by the magnitudes and take its $arccos$.
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Here is one solution, which is quite general:
Assuming the vectors are 3D with right handed orthonormal basis $(hat i,hat j, hat k)$ :
Without loss of generality, fix $overrightarrow a$ as $a hat i$ and $overrightarrow b$ as $b(cosfracpi 3 hat i + sinfracpi 3 hat j) = b(fracsqrt3 2 hat i + frac 12 hat j)$. We know $c$ must be of the form $c(cosfracpi6 hat i + s hat j + t hat k)=c(frac 12 hat i + s hat j + t hat k)$.
To keep things general let $x = fracpi6.$ So we have:
$$cos^2x + s^2 + t^2 = 1$$
$$s^2 + t^2 = sin^2x$$
Let's have another variable, say, $y$. We may write $s$ as $sin x cos y$ and $t$ as $sin x sin y$ and our equation will still hold as $$s^2 + t^2 = sin^2x(cos^2 y + sin^2 y)$$ If we can find $y$ we can find $s,$ $t$, and hence the vector $c$. We have information that will help us do this. $overrightarrow b cdot overrightarrow c$ gives us that $$cos^2x + sin^2xcos y = cos z$$ where $z$ is the angle between $b$ and $c$, here, $fracpi4$.
So, here, we have $$frac 34 + frac 14cos y = frac1sqrt2 $$
$$cos y = 2sqrt 2 - 3$$.
$$s = sqrt 2 - frac32$$
$$t = sqrtsin^2x-s^2 = sqrt3sqrt2 - 4$$
We have now the vectors required to give us the answer. Take box product $[overrightarrow a, overrightarrow b, overrightarrow c]$. This is $a|overrightarrow b times overrightarrow c| costheta$. Divide by the magnitudes and take its $arccos$.
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This was exactly my approach until the step where you substituted s and t. Very nicely done.
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– thewitness
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Could you please share the motivation behind the substitution?
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Thank you! I have done a similar problem before. In it, I had taken $t$ to be $kcdot s$. This gives $sin^2 x = s^2(1+k^2)$. I experimented putting $k = tan y$ and from that I was able to solve it. Later, in another book, I saw it written as I have in my answer. I feel like this is probably more instructive. (It is, of course, the same thing).
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– Certainly not a dog
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This was exactly my approach until the step where you substituted s and t. Very nicely done.
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– thewitness
6 hours ago
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Could you please share the motivation behind the substitution?
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– thewitness
6 hours ago
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Thank you! I have done a similar problem before. In it, I had taken $t$ to be $kcdot s$. This gives $sin^2 x = s^2(1+k^2)$. I experimented putting $k = tan y$ and from that I was able to solve it. Later, in another book, I saw it written as I have in my answer. I feel like this is probably more instructive. (It is, of course, the same thing).
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– Certainly not a dog
6 hours ago
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This was exactly my approach until the step where you substituted s and t. Very nicely done.
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– thewitness
6 hours ago
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This was exactly my approach until the step where you substituted s and t. Very nicely done.
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– thewitness
6 hours ago
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Could you please share the motivation behind the substitution?
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– thewitness
6 hours ago
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Could you please share the motivation behind the substitution?
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– thewitness
6 hours ago
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Thank you! I have done a similar problem before. In it, I had taken $t$ to be $kcdot s$. This gives $sin^2 x = s^2(1+k^2)$. I experimented putting $k = tan y$ and from that I was able to solve it. Later, in another book, I saw it written as I have in my answer. I feel like this is probably more instructive. (It is, of course, the same thing).
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– Certainly not a dog
6 hours ago
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Thank you! I have done a similar problem before. In it, I had taken $t$ to be $kcdot s$. This gives $sin^2 x = s^2(1+k^2)$. I experimented putting $k = tan y$ and from that I was able to solve it. Later, in another book, I saw it written as I have in my answer. I feel like this is probably more instructive. (It is, of course, the same thing).
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