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I was fiddling with https://jwt.io/ using this header




"alg": "HS256",
"typ": "JWT"



when I realized that replacing the payload name with something repetitive like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA would produce a token such as this:



eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzdWIiOiIxMjM0NTY3ODkwIiwibmFtZSI6IkFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBIiwiaWF0IjoxNTE2MjM5MDIyfQ.hlXlWvaeyOb6OcrOwd-xfWgF8QlfmTycj5WWZwRr6FY


You can see that the BQUF substring appears to be repeated. The more As I added to the name, the more BQUFs show up.



As far as I know the presence of these kind of patterns makes it considerably easier to find out the encoded contents. What am I missing?










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    I was fiddling with https://jwt.io/ using this header




    "alg": "HS256",
    "typ": "JWT"



    when I realized that replacing the payload name with something repetitive like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA would produce a token such as this:



    eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzdWIiOiIxMjM0NTY3ODkwIiwibmFtZSI6IkFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBIiwiaWF0IjoxNTE2MjM5MDIyfQ.hlXlWvaeyOb6OcrOwd-xfWgF8QlfmTycj5WWZwRr6FY


    You can see that the BQUF substring appears to be repeated. The more As I added to the name, the more BQUFs show up.



    As far as I know the presence of these kind of patterns makes it considerably easier to find out the encoded contents. What am I missing?










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      I was fiddling with https://jwt.io/ using this header




      "alg": "HS256",
      "typ": "JWT"



      when I realized that replacing the payload name with something repetitive like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA would produce a token such as this:



      eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzdWIiOiIxMjM0NTY3ODkwIiwibmFtZSI6IkFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBIiwiaWF0IjoxNTE2MjM5MDIyfQ.hlXlWvaeyOb6OcrOwd-xfWgF8QlfmTycj5WWZwRr6FY


      You can see that the BQUF substring appears to be repeated. The more As I added to the name, the more BQUFs show up.



      As far as I know the presence of these kind of patterns makes it considerably easier to find out the encoded contents. What am I missing?










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      I was fiddling with https://jwt.io/ using this header




      "alg": "HS256",
      "typ": "JWT"



      when I realized that replacing the payload name with something repetitive like AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA would produce a token such as this:



      eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzdWIiOiIxMjM0NTY3ODkwIiwibmFtZSI6IkFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBQUFBIiwiaWF0IjoxNTE2MjM5MDIyfQ.hlXlWvaeyOb6OcrOwd-xfWgF8QlfmTycj5WWZwRr6FY


      You can see that the BQUF substring appears to be repeated. The more As I added to the name, the more BQUFs show up.



      As far as I know the presence of these kind of patterns makes it considerably easier to find out the encoded contents. What am I missing?







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          tl/dr: JWTs don't encrypt anything, they merely encode it for easy
          transport. The data in the payload is not meant to be a secret.




          What you are looking at is simply the base64 encoded data payload. A JWT contains 3 parts:



          1. The base64 encoded header

          2. The base64 encoded data

          3. A cryptographic signature

          Base64 is simply an encoding format - not any kind of encryption, and is not meant to hide the data. Rather, it just makes sure it is composed solely of standard ASCII characters that easily survive transfer between different systems. As a result, if you were to take everything in between the two periods and run it through a base64 decoder, you would see your original payload data without issue.



          The key therefore is simple: a JWT isn't meant to hide the data. It is simply intended (through the signature) to ensure data integrity, i.e. if someone changes the data payload then you will know because your signature will no longer match.






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          • Of course. Thanks. I had this misconception in my mind that the jwt could only be read by those having the secret, but it turns out that it's just a vehicle for information which we need to make sure came from a legitimate source.

            – jmacedo
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          • @jmacedo Yup, that's exactly correct. It's easy to get confused about because base64 data certainly looks encrypted, which is even more true when you realize that a lot of encrypted data is actually displayed in a base64 encoding.

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          What you're missing is that your token is signed (or, more precisely, authenticated with a symmetric key) but not encrypted.



          If you take the token in your question above, split it into three pieces at the periods (.) and feed each piece into a base64 decoder, you'll get the following decoded outputs:



          "alg":"HS256","typ":"JWT"
          "sub":"1234567890","name":"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA","iat":1516239022


          and a sequence of 32 mostly non-ASCII bytes which is the 256-bit HMAC authentication tag for the rest of the token. As you can see, all the data is there easily readable by anyone. The authentication tag only prevents anyone who doesn't know the secret HMAC key from modifying the token or creating forged tokens from scratch.






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            tl/dr: JWTs don't encrypt anything, they merely encode it for easy
            transport. The data in the payload is not meant to be a secret.




            What you are looking at is simply the base64 encoded data payload. A JWT contains 3 parts:



            1. The base64 encoded header

            2. The base64 encoded data

            3. A cryptographic signature

            Base64 is simply an encoding format - not any kind of encryption, and is not meant to hide the data. Rather, it just makes sure it is composed solely of standard ASCII characters that easily survive transfer between different systems. As a result, if you were to take everything in between the two periods and run it through a base64 decoder, you would see your original payload data without issue.



            The key therefore is simple: a JWT isn't meant to hide the data. It is simply intended (through the signature) to ensure data integrity, i.e. if someone changes the data payload then you will know because your signature will no longer match.






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            • Of course. Thanks. I had this misconception in my mind that the jwt could only be read by those having the secret, but it turns out that it's just a vehicle for information which we need to make sure came from a legitimate source.

              – jmacedo
              8 hours ago












            • @jmacedo Yup, that's exactly correct. It's easy to get confused about because base64 data certainly looks encrypted, which is even more true when you realize that a lot of encrypted data is actually displayed in a base64 encoding.

              – Conor Mancone
              8 hours ago















            5

















            tl/dr: JWTs don't encrypt anything, they merely encode it for easy
            transport. The data in the payload is not meant to be a secret.




            What you are looking at is simply the base64 encoded data payload. A JWT contains 3 parts:



            1. The base64 encoded header

            2. The base64 encoded data

            3. A cryptographic signature

            Base64 is simply an encoding format - not any kind of encryption, and is not meant to hide the data. Rather, it just makes sure it is composed solely of standard ASCII characters that easily survive transfer between different systems. As a result, if you were to take everything in between the two periods and run it through a base64 decoder, you would see your original payload data without issue.



            The key therefore is simple: a JWT isn't meant to hide the data. It is simply intended (through the signature) to ensure data integrity, i.e. if someone changes the data payload then you will know because your signature will no longer match.






            share|improve this answer

























            • Of course. Thanks. I had this misconception in my mind that the jwt could only be read by those having the secret, but it turns out that it's just a vehicle for information which we need to make sure came from a legitimate source.

              – jmacedo
              8 hours ago












            • @jmacedo Yup, that's exactly correct. It's easy to get confused about because base64 data certainly looks encrypted, which is even more true when you realize that a lot of encrypted data is actually displayed in a base64 encoding.

              – Conor Mancone
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            tl/dr: JWTs don't encrypt anything, they merely encode it for easy
            transport. The data in the payload is not meant to be a secret.




            What you are looking at is simply the base64 encoded data payload. A JWT contains 3 parts:



            1. The base64 encoded header

            2. The base64 encoded data

            3. A cryptographic signature

            Base64 is simply an encoding format - not any kind of encryption, and is not meant to hide the data. Rather, it just makes sure it is composed solely of standard ASCII characters that easily survive transfer between different systems. As a result, if you were to take everything in between the two periods and run it through a base64 decoder, you would see your original payload data without issue.



            The key therefore is simple: a JWT isn't meant to hide the data. It is simply intended (through the signature) to ensure data integrity, i.e. if someone changes the data payload then you will know because your signature will no longer match.






            share|improve this answer














            tl/dr: JWTs don't encrypt anything, they merely encode it for easy
            transport. The data in the payload is not meant to be a secret.




            What you are looking at is simply the base64 encoded data payload. A JWT contains 3 parts:



            1. The base64 encoded header

            2. The base64 encoded data

            3. A cryptographic signature

            Base64 is simply an encoding format - not any kind of encryption, and is not meant to hide the data. Rather, it just makes sure it is composed solely of standard ASCII characters that easily survive transfer between different systems. As a result, if you were to take everything in between the two periods and run it through a base64 decoder, you would see your original payload data without issue.



            The key therefore is simple: a JWT isn't meant to hide the data. It is simply intended (through the signature) to ensure data integrity, i.e. if someone changes the data payload then you will know because your signature will no longer match.







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            • Of course. Thanks. I had this misconception in my mind that the jwt could only be read by those having the secret, but it turns out that it's just a vehicle for information which we need to make sure came from a legitimate source.

              – jmacedo
              8 hours ago












            • @jmacedo Yup, that's exactly correct. It's easy to get confused about because base64 data certainly looks encrypted, which is even more true when you realize that a lot of encrypted data is actually displayed in a base64 encoding.

              – Conor Mancone
              8 hours ago

















            • Of course. Thanks. I had this misconception in my mind that the jwt could only be read by those having the secret, but it turns out that it's just a vehicle for information which we need to make sure came from a legitimate source.

              – jmacedo
              8 hours ago












            • @jmacedo Yup, that's exactly correct. It's easy to get confused about because base64 data certainly looks encrypted, which is even more true when you realize that a lot of encrypted data is actually displayed in a base64 encoding.

              – Conor Mancone
              8 hours ago
















            Of course. Thanks. I had this misconception in my mind that the jwt could only be read by those having the secret, but it turns out that it's just a vehicle for information which we need to make sure came from a legitimate source.

            – jmacedo
            8 hours ago






            Of course. Thanks. I had this misconception in my mind that the jwt could only be read by those having the secret, but it turns out that it's just a vehicle for information which we need to make sure came from a legitimate source.

            – jmacedo
            8 hours ago














            @jmacedo Yup, that's exactly correct. It's easy to get confused about because base64 data certainly looks encrypted, which is even more true when you realize that a lot of encrypted data is actually displayed in a base64 encoding.

            – Conor Mancone
            8 hours ago





            @jmacedo Yup, that's exactly correct. It's easy to get confused about because base64 data certainly looks encrypted, which is even more true when you realize that a lot of encrypted data is actually displayed in a base64 encoding.

            – Conor Mancone
            8 hours ago













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            What you're missing is that your token is signed (or, more precisely, authenticated with a symmetric key) but not encrypted.



            If you take the token in your question above, split it into three pieces at the periods (.) and feed each piece into a base64 decoder, you'll get the following decoded outputs:



            "alg":"HS256","typ":"JWT"
            "sub":"1234567890","name":"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA","iat":1516239022


            and a sequence of 32 mostly non-ASCII bytes which is the 256-bit HMAC authentication tag for the rest of the token. As you can see, all the data is there easily readable by anyone. The authentication tag only prevents anyone who doesn't know the secret HMAC key from modifying the token or creating forged tokens from scratch.






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              What you're missing is that your token is signed (or, more precisely, authenticated with a symmetric key) but not encrypted.



              If you take the token in your question above, split it into three pieces at the periods (.) and feed each piece into a base64 decoder, you'll get the following decoded outputs:



              "alg":"HS256","typ":"JWT"
              "sub":"1234567890","name":"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA","iat":1516239022


              and a sequence of 32 mostly non-ASCII bytes which is the 256-bit HMAC authentication tag for the rest of the token. As you can see, all the data is there easily readable by anyone. The authentication tag only prevents anyone who doesn't know the secret HMAC key from modifying the token or creating forged tokens from scratch.






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                What you're missing is that your token is signed (or, more precisely, authenticated with a symmetric key) but not encrypted.



                If you take the token in your question above, split it into three pieces at the periods (.) and feed each piece into a base64 decoder, you'll get the following decoded outputs:



                "alg":"HS256","typ":"JWT"
                "sub":"1234567890","name":"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA","iat":1516239022


                and a sequence of 32 mostly non-ASCII bytes which is the 256-bit HMAC authentication tag for the rest of the token. As you can see, all the data is there easily readable by anyone. The authentication tag only prevents anyone who doesn't know the secret HMAC key from modifying the token or creating forged tokens from scratch.






                share|improve this answer













                What you're missing is that your token is signed (or, more precisely, authenticated with a symmetric key) but not encrypted.



                If you take the token in your question above, split it into three pieces at the periods (.) and feed each piece into a base64 decoder, you'll get the following decoded outputs:



                "alg":"HS256","typ":"JWT"
                "sub":"1234567890","name":"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA","iat":1516239022


                and a sequence of 32 mostly non-ASCII bytes which is the 256-bit HMAC authentication tag for the rest of the token. As you can see, all the data is there easily readable by anyone. The authentication tag only prevents anyone who doesn't know the secret HMAC key from modifying the token or creating forged tokens from scratch.







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