Accurately recalling the key - can everyone do it?What's so special about III ?How to know what notes will go together while improvising?The major scale - why and how?Compare the similarity of flow and rhythm of 2 songsWhat exactly is the difference between arranging a piece of music and composing it?When can changing key sound good?How to figure out an inverted chord by ear?Can a song contain pitches outside of its intended key?Operating guitar for 10 years but can't make musicAsymmetric ease of improvisation during modulation
Delete the following space
Should I put my name first or last in the team members list?
How do I find SFDX CLI default installation folder on Mac?
Is it moral to remove/hide certain parts of a photo, as a photographer?
A game of red and black
Can I say "Gesundheit" if someone is coughing?
How did Biff return to 2015 from 1955 without a lightning strike?
Has the US government provided details on plans to deal with AIDS and childhood cancer?
Adding a (stair/baby) gate without facing walls
Can I shorten this filter, that finds disk sizes over 100G?
What are the groups that can legally challenge Trump's tariffs and can they have them reversed?
What Marvel character has this 'W' symbol?
UX writing: When to use "we"?
Is this mechanically safe?
Is the EU really banning "toxic propellants" in 2020? How is that going to work?
Python π = 1 + (1/2) + (1/3) + (1/4) - (1/5) + (1/6) + (1/7) + (1/8) + (1/9) - (1/10) ...1748 Euler
"Fewer errors means better products" or "Fewer errors mean better products"?
Why don't short runways use ramps for takeoff?
What are the effects of the elements on 3D printed objects made with "infused" PLA
How to avoid a lengthy conversation with someone from the neighborhood I don't share interests with
Can machine learning learn a function like finding maximum from a list?
Can black block with a hanging piece in a back rank mate situation?
Gold Battle KoTH
Return last number in sub-sequences in a list of integers
Accurately recalling the key - can everyone do it?
What's so special about III ?How to know what notes will go together while improvising?The major scale - why and how?Compare the similarity of flow and rhythm of 2 songsWhat exactly is the difference between arranging a piece of music and composing it?When can changing key sound good?How to figure out an inverted chord by ear?Can a song contain pitches outside of its intended key?Operating guitar for 10 years but can't make musicAsymmetric ease of improvisation during modulation
.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty margin-bottom:0;
I'm wondering if it is common for people to accurately recall not only the melody of a song they know, but also the key. I've recently done a small experiment where I asked a few of my friends to hum the beginning of some popular tunes, like the Star Wars theme. They hummed it somewhat correctly - the melody was ok, but they didn't all start from the same note. Also, when I played the songs on my phone, it turned out all of them were signing in the wrong key.
Is that a coincidence, or is it actually not that common for people to accurately recall the key? Of course I'm asking about those who were not musically trained.
theory key pitch
New contributor
add a comment |
I'm wondering if it is common for people to accurately recall not only the melody of a song they know, but also the key. I've recently done a small experiment where I asked a few of my friends to hum the beginning of some popular tunes, like the Star Wars theme. They hummed it somewhat correctly - the melody was ok, but they didn't all start from the same note. Also, when I played the songs on my phone, it turned out all of them were signing in the wrong key.
Is that a coincidence, or is it actually not that common for people to accurately recall the key? Of course I'm asking about those who were not musically trained.
theory key pitch
New contributor
How much leeway are you allowing for being in the right key?
– Michael Curtis
6 hours ago
add a comment |
I'm wondering if it is common for people to accurately recall not only the melody of a song they know, but also the key. I've recently done a small experiment where I asked a few of my friends to hum the beginning of some popular tunes, like the Star Wars theme. They hummed it somewhat correctly - the melody was ok, but they didn't all start from the same note. Also, when I played the songs on my phone, it turned out all of them were signing in the wrong key.
Is that a coincidence, or is it actually not that common for people to accurately recall the key? Of course I'm asking about those who were not musically trained.
theory key pitch
New contributor
I'm wondering if it is common for people to accurately recall not only the melody of a song they know, but also the key. I've recently done a small experiment where I asked a few of my friends to hum the beginning of some popular tunes, like the Star Wars theme. They hummed it somewhat correctly - the melody was ok, but they didn't all start from the same note. Also, when I played the songs on my phone, it turned out all of them were signing in the wrong key.
Is that a coincidence, or is it actually not that common for people to accurately recall the key? Of course I'm asking about those who were not musically trained.
theory key pitch
theory key pitch
New contributor
New contributor
New contributor
asked 9 hours ago
Tomasz KasperczykTomasz Kasperczyk
1133 bronze badges
1133 bronze badges
New contributor
New contributor
How much leeway are you allowing for being in the right key?
– Michael Curtis
6 hours ago
add a comment |
How much leeway are you allowing for being in the right key?
– Michael Curtis
6 hours ago
How much leeway are you allowing for being in the right key?
– Michael Curtis
6 hours ago
How much leeway are you allowing for being in the right key?
– Michael Curtis
6 hours ago
add a comment |
4 Answers
4
active
oldest
votes
Not many people can actually sing acapella in the key required.(Without being given a start note/chord). They may well sing the tune, in a different key (maybe +/- a m3) but to actually sing in the original key - unlikely. I suppose those with absolute pitch (who can remember or know what the 'proper' key is), will be able to do it.
Even those musically trained will not get it right all the time. Musical training doesn't encompass feats such as this. I used to sing/play with a guy who would start a song - any song - and 9 times out of 10 would be in the key we always played the song in, but I never worked out how it happened - and he didn't know either. He wasn't musically trained - just was a great singer. But that doesn't really help with an answer!
I was going to mention 'Happy Birthday', but as that can be sung in several different keys, (and does so at parties frequently, even when everyone is singing!!), so even a well-known song can't be relied upon.
the problem with happy birthday is that everyone of a group at a birthday party sings it in another key ;)
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Most people can't do it.
Absolute pitch reference [perfect pitch] is quite rare - just as rare as people who 'couldn't carry a tune in a bucket'.
Pitch reference, the same as most skills, is on a bell-curve. Most people are in the middle - they can kick a ball in the general direction of a goal, or sing a song if it's not too hard... just don't ask them to score a penalty in the World Cup Final, nor get the exact pitch reference for any song.
From comments...
Practised singers, even those without perfect pitch, can 'feel' the reference in their throat. I can do it & I really don't have anything close to perfect pitch - I just know when a song I sing frequently is 'right' or 'wrong', by the 'feel'.
add a comment |
Even studies on the Levitin Effect, a phenomenon that posits that people can tend to accurately recall the key of a familiar melody, discover that at least a significant minority of people cannot produce this effect (see here for an example), and this effect has been found to be hard to reproduce. So, I'd say that it's actually not that common for people to accurately recall the key.
add a comment |
You are asking for the well known and understood difference between "Absolute pitch" and "Relative pitch" ("słuch absolutny" and "słuch względny" in Polish).
Some people's heads are wired to understand each note in a melody as a separate entity (absolute pitch), but most people's brains understand melody as a series of differences between pitches.
Contrary to what many people think, "absolute pitch" is not really "better" than "relative" - it's different (in this sense, the name "perfect pitch" used in English is quite misleading). People with perfect pitch cannot easily transpose the tunes they know, especially if transposed by less tham a semitone (some will have problems singing to a slightly detuned guitar). Also, you can have perfect relative pitch (hear intervals with minute precision) or a lousy perfect pitch (hear the exact pitch, but not very well)
add a comment |
Your Answer
StackExchange.ready(function()
var channelOptions =
tags: "".split(" "),
id: "240"
;
initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);
StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
// Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
createEditor();
);
else
createEditor();
);
function createEditor()
StackExchange.prepareEditor(
heartbeatType: 'answer',
autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
convertImagesToLinks: false,
noModals: true,
showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
reputationToPostImages: null,
bindNavPrevention: true,
postfix: "",
imageUploader:
brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
allowUrls: true
,
noCode: true, onDemand: true,
discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
);
);
Tomasz Kasperczyk is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmusic.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f87368%2faccurately-recalling-the-key-can-everyone-do-it%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
4 Answers
4
active
oldest
votes
4 Answers
4
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
votes
Not many people can actually sing acapella in the key required.(Without being given a start note/chord). They may well sing the tune, in a different key (maybe +/- a m3) but to actually sing in the original key - unlikely. I suppose those with absolute pitch (who can remember or know what the 'proper' key is), will be able to do it.
Even those musically trained will not get it right all the time. Musical training doesn't encompass feats such as this. I used to sing/play with a guy who would start a song - any song - and 9 times out of 10 would be in the key we always played the song in, but I never worked out how it happened - and he didn't know either. He wasn't musically trained - just was a great singer. But that doesn't really help with an answer!
I was going to mention 'Happy Birthday', but as that can be sung in several different keys, (and does so at parties frequently, even when everyone is singing!!), so even a well-known song can't be relied upon.
the problem with happy birthday is that everyone of a group at a birthday party sings it in another key ;)
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Not many people can actually sing acapella in the key required.(Without being given a start note/chord). They may well sing the tune, in a different key (maybe +/- a m3) but to actually sing in the original key - unlikely. I suppose those with absolute pitch (who can remember or know what the 'proper' key is), will be able to do it.
Even those musically trained will not get it right all the time. Musical training doesn't encompass feats such as this. I used to sing/play with a guy who would start a song - any song - and 9 times out of 10 would be in the key we always played the song in, but I never worked out how it happened - and he didn't know either. He wasn't musically trained - just was a great singer. But that doesn't really help with an answer!
I was going to mention 'Happy Birthday', but as that can be sung in several different keys, (and does so at parties frequently, even when everyone is singing!!), so even a well-known song can't be relied upon.
the problem with happy birthday is that everyone of a group at a birthday party sings it in another key ;)
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Not many people can actually sing acapella in the key required.(Without being given a start note/chord). They may well sing the tune, in a different key (maybe +/- a m3) but to actually sing in the original key - unlikely. I suppose those with absolute pitch (who can remember or know what the 'proper' key is), will be able to do it.
Even those musically trained will not get it right all the time. Musical training doesn't encompass feats such as this. I used to sing/play with a guy who would start a song - any song - and 9 times out of 10 would be in the key we always played the song in, but I never worked out how it happened - and he didn't know either. He wasn't musically trained - just was a great singer. But that doesn't really help with an answer!
I was going to mention 'Happy Birthday', but as that can be sung in several different keys, (and does so at parties frequently, even when everyone is singing!!), so even a well-known song can't be relied upon.
Not many people can actually sing acapella in the key required.(Without being given a start note/chord). They may well sing the tune, in a different key (maybe +/- a m3) but to actually sing in the original key - unlikely. I suppose those with absolute pitch (who can remember or know what the 'proper' key is), will be able to do it.
Even those musically trained will not get it right all the time. Musical training doesn't encompass feats such as this. I used to sing/play with a guy who would start a song - any song - and 9 times out of 10 would be in the key we always played the song in, but I never worked out how it happened - and he didn't know either. He wasn't musically trained - just was a great singer. But that doesn't really help with an answer!
I was going to mention 'Happy Birthday', but as that can be sung in several different keys, (and does so at parties frequently, even when everyone is singing!!), so even a well-known song can't be relied upon.
answered 8 hours ago
TimTim
110k11 gold badges108 silver badges280 bronze badges
110k11 gold badges108 silver badges280 bronze badges
the problem with happy birthday is that everyone of a group at a birthday party sings it in another key ;)
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
add a comment |
the problem with happy birthday is that everyone of a group at a birthday party sings it in another key ;)
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
the problem with happy birthday is that everyone of a group at a birthday party sings it in another key ;)
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
the problem with happy birthday is that everyone of a group at a birthday party sings it in another key ;)
– Albrecht Hügli
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Most people can't do it.
Absolute pitch reference [perfect pitch] is quite rare - just as rare as people who 'couldn't carry a tune in a bucket'.
Pitch reference, the same as most skills, is on a bell-curve. Most people are in the middle - they can kick a ball in the general direction of a goal, or sing a song if it's not too hard... just don't ask them to score a penalty in the World Cup Final, nor get the exact pitch reference for any song.
From comments...
Practised singers, even those without perfect pitch, can 'feel' the reference in their throat. I can do it & I really don't have anything close to perfect pitch - I just know when a song I sing frequently is 'right' or 'wrong', by the 'feel'.
add a comment |
Most people can't do it.
Absolute pitch reference [perfect pitch] is quite rare - just as rare as people who 'couldn't carry a tune in a bucket'.
Pitch reference, the same as most skills, is on a bell-curve. Most people are in the middle - they can kick a ball in the general direction of a goal, or sing a song if it's not too hard... just don't ask them to score a penalty in the World Cup Final, nor get the exact pitch reference for any song.
From comments...
Practised singers, even those without perfect pitch, can 'feel' the reference in their throat. I can do it & I really don't have anything close to perfect pitch - I just know when a song I sing frequently is 'right' or 'wrong', by the 'feel'.
add a comment |
Most people can't do it.
Absolute pitch reference [perfect pitch] is quite rare - just as rare as people who 'couldn't carry a tune in a bucket'.
Pitch reference, the same as most skills, is on a bell-curve. Most people are in the middle - they can kick a ball in the general direction of a goal, or sing a song if it's not too hard... just don't ask them to score a penalty in the World Cup Final, nor get the exact pitch reference for any song.
From comments...
Practised singers, even those without perfect pitch, can 'feel' the reference in their throat. I can do it & I really don't have anything close to perfect pitch - I just know when a song I sing frequently is 'right' or 'wrong', by the 'feel'.
Most people can't do it.
Absolute pitch reference [perfect pitch] is quite rare - just as rare as people who 'couldn't carry a tune in a bucket'.
Pitch reference, the same as most skills, is on a bell-curve. Most people are in the middle - they can kick a ball in the general direction of a goal, or sing a song if it's not too hard... just don't ask them to score a penalty in the World Cup Final, nor get the exact pitch reference for any song.
From comments...
Practised singers, even those without perfect pitch, can 'feel' the reference in their throat. I can do it & I really don't have anything close to perfect pitch - I just know when a song I sing frequently is 'right' or 'wrong', by the 'feel'.
edited 8 hours ago
answered 8 hours ago
TetsujinTetsujin
9,6042 gold badges21 silver badges41 bronze badges
9,6042 gold badges21 silver badges41 bronze badges
add a comment |
add a comment |
Even studies on the Levitin Effect, a phenomenon that posits that people can tend to accurately recall the key of a familiar melody, discover that at least a significant minority of people cannot produce this effect (see here for an example), and this effect has been found to be hard to reproduce. So, I'd say that it's actually not that common for people to accurately recall the key.
add a comment |
Even studies on the Levitin Effect, a phenomenon that posits that people can tend to accurately recall the key of a familiar melody, discover that at least a significant minority of people cannot produce this effect (see here for an example), and this effect has been found to be hard to reproduce. So, I'd say that it's actually not that common for people to accurately recall the key.
add a comment |
Even studies on the Levitin Effect, a phenomenon that posits that people can tend to accurately recall the key of a familiar melody, discover that at least a significant minority of people cannot produce this effect (see here for an example), and this effect has been found to be hard to reproduce. So, I'd say that it's actually not that common for people to accurately recall the key.
Even studies on the Levitin Effect, a phenomenon that posits that people can tend to accurately recall the key of a familiar melody, discover that at least a significant minority of people cannot produce this effect (see here for an example), and this effect has been found to be hard to reproduce. So, I'd say that it's actually not that common for people to accurately recall the key.
answered 6 hours ago
DekkadeciDekkadeci
6,3942 gold badges17 silver badges28 bronze badges
6,3942 gold badges17 silver badges28 bronze badges
add a comment |
add a comment |
You are asking for the well known and understood difference between "Absolute pitch" and "Relative pitch" ("słuch absolutny" and "słuch względny" in Polish).
Some people's heads are wired to understand each note in a melody as a separate entity (absolute pitch), but most people's brains understand melody as a series of differences between pitches.
Contrary to what many people think, "absolute pitch" is not really "better" than "relative" - it's different (in this sense, the name "perfect pitch" used in English is quite misleading). People with perfect pitch cannot easily transpose the tunes they know, especially if transposed by less tham a semitone (some will have problems singing to a slightly detuned guitar). Also, you can have perfect relative pitch (hear intervals with minute precision) or a lousy perfect pitch (hear the exact pitch, but not very well)
add a comment |
You are asking for the well known and understood difference between "Absolute pitch" and "Relative pitch" ("słuch absolutny" and "słuch względny" in Polish).
Some people's heads are wired to understand each note in a melody as a separate entity (absolute pitch), but most people's brains understand melody as a series of differences between pitches.
Contrary to what many people think, "absolute pitch" is not really "better" than "relative" - it's different (in this sense, the name "perfect pitch" used in English is quite misleading). People with perfect pitch cannot easily transpose the tunes they know, especially if transposed by less tham a semitone (some will have problems singing to a slightly detuned guitar). Also, you can have perfect relative pitch (hear intervals with minute precision) or a lousy perfect pitch (hear the exact pitch, but not very well)
add a comment |
You are asking for the well known and understood difference between "Absolute pitch" and "Relative pitch" ("słuch absolutny" and "słuch względny" in Polish).
Some people's heads are wired to understand each note in a melody as a separate entity (absolute pitch), but most people's brains understand melody as a series of differences between pitches.
Contrary to what many people think, "absolute pitch" is not really "better" than "relative" - it's different (in this sense, the name "perfect pitch" used in English is quite misleading). People with perfect pitch cannot easily transpose the tunes they know, especially if transposed by less tham a semitone (some will have problems singing to a slightly detuned guitar). Also, you can have perfect relative pitch (hear intervals with minute precision) or a lousy perfect pitch (hear the exact pitch, but not very well)
You are asking for the well known and understood difference between "Absolute pitch" and "Relative pitch" ("słuch absolutny" and "słuch względny" in Polish).
Some people's heads are wired to understand each note in a melody as a separate entity (absolute pitch), but most people's brains understand melody as a series of differences between pitches.
Contrary to what many people think, "absolute pitch" is not really "better" than "relative" - it's different (in this sense, the name "perfect pitch" used in English is quite misleading). People with perfect pitch cannot easily transpose the tunes they know, especially if transposed by less tham a semitone (some will have problems singing to a slightly detuned guitar). Also, you can have perfect relative pitch (hear intervals with minute precision) or a lousy perfect pitch (hear the exact pitch, but not very well)
answered 7 hours ago
fdregerfdreger
7864 silver badges7 bronze badges
7864 silver badges7 bronze badges
add a comment |
add a comment |
Tomasz Kasperczyk is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Tomasz Kasperczyk is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Tomasz Kasperczyk is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Tomasz Kasperczyk is a new contributor. Be nice, and check out our Code of Conduct.
Thanks for contributing an answer to Music: Practice & Theory Stack Exchange!
- Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!
But avoid …
- Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.
- Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.
To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
StackExchange.ready(
function ()
StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fmusic.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f87368%2faccurately-recalling-the-key-can-everyone-do-it%23new-answer', 'question_page');
);
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Sign up or log in
StackExchange.ready(function ()
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
);
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Sign up using Google
Sign up using Facebook
Sign up using Email and Password
Post as a guest
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
Required, but never shown
How much leeway are you allowing for being in the right key?
– Michael Curtis
6 hours ago