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Why did so many MPs not vote in Meaningful Vote 3?
What can UK citizens do to replace first past the post with a proportional representation voting system?Brexit deal 'Meaningful vote' battle between House of Lords and House of CommonsWhy did May's administration force unwell MPs to attend a Brexit debate?Why is there such a long delay before putting the “Meaningful Vote” to the British ParliamentCould the UK Parliament defy the delay on the meaningful vote and simply vote on it?How many people actually visit MPs surgeries?Why do UK MPs give way?Did any Conservative MPs indicate that they might vote against May?Would the meaningful votes have been held if not for the Gina Miller case?Can MPs stay in a party even after they vote against their own Government?
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Nineteen MPs did not vote in Meaningful Vote 3 on the Withdrawal Agreement.
Some of these I can explain, and have posted at the end of this question, but others I cannot currently explain. Why did these MPs not vote?
- Ronnie Campbell - Labour
- Kelvin Hopkins - Labour
- John McNally - SNP
- Dennis Skinner - Independent
Explained
- John Bercow - Labour, Speaker
- Mickey Brady - Sinn Féin
- Michelle Gildernew - Sinn Féin
- Chris Hazzard - Sinn Féin
- Lindsay Hoyle - Labour, Chairman of Ways and Means and Deputy Speaker of the House
- Eleanor Laing - Conservative, Deputy Speaker
- Paul Maskey - Sinn Féin
- Elisha McCallion - Sinn Féin
- Francie Molloy - Sinn Féin
- Andrew Stephenson - Conservative, Teller
- Craig Whittaker - Conservative, Teller
- Nic Dakin - Labour, Teller
- Thangam Debbonaire - Labour, Teller
- Órfhlaith Begley - Sinn Féin
- Rosie Winterton - Labour, Deputy Speaker
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Nineteen MPs did not vote in Meaningful Vote 3 on the Withdrawal Agreement.
Some of these I can explain, and have posted at the end of this question, but others I cannot currently explain. Why did these MPs not vote?
- Ronnie Campbell - Labour
- Kelvin Hopkins - Labour
- John McNally - SNP
- Dennis Skinner - Independent
Explained
- John Bercow - Labour, Speaker
- Mickey Brady - Sinn Féin
- Michelle Gildernew - Sinn Féin
- Chris Hazzard - Sinn Féin
- Lindsay Hoyle - Labour, Chairman of Ways and Means and Deputy Speaker of the House
- Eleanor Laing - Conservative, Deputy Speaker
- Paul Maskey - Sinn Féin
- Elisha McCallion - Sinn Féin
- Francie Molloy - Sinn Féin
- Andrew Stephenson - Conservative, Teller
- Craig Whittaker - Conservative, Teller
- Nic Dakin - Labour, Teller
- Thangam Debbonaire - Labour, Teller
- Órfhlaith Begley - Sinn Féin
- Rosie Winterton - Labour, Deputy Speaker
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I must note that "Vacant Seat" is not an MP, and thus only 19 MPs did not vote.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
1
Your unknown is Órfhlaith Begley, the member for West Tyrone for Sinn Féin.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
The Commons Votes website has Skinner down as Labour and Hopkins down as Independent.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
Skinner might have been Labour then, and is now Independent.
– Ben
8 hours ago
@Ben Dennis Skinner is absolutely still Labour. Hopkins is definitely an Independent, having had the whip withdrawn.
– owjburnham
4 hours ago
add a comment |
Nineteen MPs did not vote in Meaningful Vote 3 on the Withdrawal Agreement.
Some of these I can explain, and have posted at the end of this question, but others I cannot currently explain. Why did these MPs not vote?
- Ronnie Campbell - Labour
- Kelvin Hopkins - Labour
- John McNally - SNP
- Dennis Skinner - Independent
Explained
- John Bercow - Labour, Speaker
- Mickey Brady - Sinn Féin
- Michelle Gildernew - Sinn Féin
- Chris Hazzard - Sinn Féin
- Lindsay Hoyle - Labour, Chairman of Ways and Means and Deputy Speaker of the House
- Eleanor Laing - Conservative, Deputy Speaker
- Paul Maskey - Sinn Féin
- Elisha McCallion - Sinn Féin
- Francie Molloy - Sinn Féin
- Andrew Stephenson - Conservative, Teller
- Craig Whittaker - Conservative, Teller
- Nic Dakin - Labour, Teller
- Thangam Debbonaire - Labour, Teller
- Órfhlaith Begley - Sinn Féin
- Rosie Winterton - Labour, Deputy Speaker
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Nineteen MPs did not vote in Meaningful Vote 3 on the Withdrawal Agreement.
Some of these I can explain, and have posted at the end of this question, but others I cannot currently explain. Why did these MPs not vote?
- Ronnie Campbell - Labour
- Kelvin Hopkins - Labour
- John McNally - SNP
- Dennis Skinner - Independent
Explained
- John Bercow - Labour, Speaker
- Mickey Brady - Sinn Féin
- Michelle Gildernew - Sinn Féin
- Chris Hazzard - Sinn Féin
- Lindsay Hoyle - Labour, Chairman of Ways and Means and Deputy Speaker of the House
- Eleanor Laing - Conservative, Deputy Speaker
- Paul Maskey - Sinn Féin
- Elisha McCallion - Sinn Féin
- Francie Molloy - Sinn Féin
- Andrew Stephenson - Conservative, Teller
- Craig Whittaker - Conservative, Teller
- Nic Dakin - Labour, Teller
- Thangam Debbonaire - Labour, Teller
- Órfhlaith Begley - Sinn Féin
- Rosie Winterton - Labour, Deputy Speaker
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I must note that "Vacant Seat" is not an MP, and thus only 19 MPs did not vote.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
1
Your unknown is Órfhlaith Begley, the member for West Tyrone for Sinn Féin.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
The Commons Votes website has Skinner down as Labour and Hopkins down as Independent.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
Skinner might have been Labour then, and is now Independent.
– Ben
8 hours ago
@Ben Dennis Skinner is absolutely still Labour. Hopkins is definitely an Independent, having had the whip withdrawn.
– owjburnham
4 hours ago
add a comment |
I must note that "Vacant Seat" is not an MP, and thus only 19 MPs did not vote.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
1
Your unknown is Órfhlaith Begley, the member for West Tyrone for Sinn Féin.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
The Commons Votes website has Skinner down as Labour and Hopkins down as Independent.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
Skinner might have been Labour then, and is now Independent.
– Ben
8 hours ago
@Ben Dennis Skinner is absolutely still Labour. Hopkins is definitely an Independent, having had the whip withdrawn.
– owjburnham
4 hours ago
I must note that "Vacant Seat" is not an MP, and thus only 19 MPs did not vote.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
I must note that "Vacant Seat" is not an MP, and thus only 19 MPs did not vote.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
1
1
Your unknown is Órfhlaith Begley, the member for West Tyrone for Sinn Féin.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
Your unknown is Órfhlaith Begley, the member for West Tyrone for Sinn Féin.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
The Commons Votes website has Skinner down as Labour and Hopkins down as Independent.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
The Commons Votes website has Skinner down as Labour and Hopkins down as Independent.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
Skinner might have been Labour then, and is now Independent.
– Ben
8 hours ago
Skinner might have been Labour then, and is now Independent.
– Ben
8 hours ago
@Ben Dennis Skinner is absolutely still Labour. Hopkins is definitely an Independent, having had the whip withdrawn.
– owjburnham
4 hours ago
@Ben Dennis Skinner is absolutely still Labour. Hopkins is definitely an Independent, having had the whip withdrawn.
– owjburnham
4 hours ago
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Ronnie Campbell, Kelvin Hopkins and Dennis Skinner are socialist MPs, in favour of leaving the European Union (which they see as a "capitalist club"). They support withdrawal, but they don't support the Conservative Party's Withdrawl Agreement (WA) with the EU.
Rather than vote with the Conservative Prime Minister, or vote against leaving the EU, these three decided to abstain.
John McNally appears to be opposed to a "hard brexit" and may have been concerned that his party's opposition to the WA would make a hard "brexit" more likely. However he was not willing to go fully against the rest of his party, so he abstained.
It seems that these four MPs were, for various reasons, not willing to vote against the WA, nor vote with Theresa May, and so abstained on principle.
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15 of these non-votes are usual:
- The Speaker (Bercow) only votes to break a tie.
- The three Deputy Speakers (Hoyle, Lang, Winterton) also do not vote due to their positions.
- The seven Sinn Fein MPs (Begley, Brady, Gildernew, Hazzard, Maskey, McCallion, Molloy) do not take their seats in Parliament (this is party policy), so thus cannot vote.
- The tellers for this vote (Dakin, Debbonaire, Stephenson, Whittaker) are responsible for counting the votes, and thus do not vote themselves. (There are two ayes and two noes, so they cancel each other out anyway.)
I'm not able to find any information about the four other non-votes (Campbell, Hopkins, McNally, Skinner). It is possible that they simply failed to reach the chamber within the eight minute time limit, but I can find nothing to confirm this.
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Is it "normal" for some people to simply not make it in time?
– Ben
8 hours ago
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I can't say how normal it is, but it does sound plausible, depending on where they are when the division bells start ringing. But I must stress that this is simply speculation.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
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Ronnie Campbell, Kelvin Hopkins and Dennis Skinner are socialist MPs, in favour of leaving the European Union (which they see as a "capitalist club"). They support withdrawal, but they don't support the Conservative Party's Withdrawl Agreement (WA) with the EU.
Rather than vote with the Conservative Prime Minister, or vote against leaving the EU, these three decided to abstain.
John McNally appears to be opposed to a "hard brexit" and may have been concerned that his party's opposition to the WA would make a hard "brexit" more likely. However he was not willing to go fully against the rest of his party, so he abstained.
It seems that these four MPs were, for various reasons, not willing to vote against the WA, nor vote with Theresa May, and so abstained on principle.
answered 7 hours ago
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Ronnie Campbell, Kelvin Hopkins and Dennis Skinner are socialist MPs, in favour of leaving the European Union (which they see as a "capitalist club"). They support withdrawal, but they don't support the Conservative Party's Withdrawl Agreement (WA) with the EU.
Rather than vote with the Conservative Prime Minister, or vote against leaving the EU, these three decided to abstain.
John McNally appears to be opposed to a "hard brexit" and may have been concerned that his party's opposition to the WA would make a hard "brexit" more likely. However he was not willing to go fully against the rest of his party, so he abstained.
It seems that these four MPs were, for various reasons, not willing to vote against the WA, nor vote with Theresa May, and so abstained on principle.
answered 7 hours ago
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Ronnie Campbell, Kelvin Hopkins and Dennis Skinner are socialist MPs, in favour of leaving the European Union (which they see as a "capitalist club"). They support withdrawal, but they don't support the Conservative Party's Withdrawl Agreement (WA) with the EU.
Rather than vote with the Conservative Prime Minister, or vote against leaving the EU, these three decided to abstain.
John McNally appears to be opposed to a "hard brexit" and may have been concerned that his party's opposition to the WA would make a hard "brexit" more likely. However he was not willing to go fully against the rest of his party, so he abstained.
It seems that these four MPs were, for various reasons, not willing to vote against the WA, nor vote with Theresa May, and so abstained on principle.
answered 7 hours ago
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Ronnie Campbell, Kelvin Hopkins and Dennis Skinner are socialist MPs, in favour of leaving the European Union (which they see as a "capitalist club"). They support withdrawal, but they don't support the Conservative Party's Withdrawl Agreement (WA) with the EU.
Rather than vote with the Conservative Prime Minister, or vote against leaving the EU, these three decided to abstain.
John McNally appears to be opposed to a "hard brexit" and may have been concerned that his party's opposition to the WA would make a hard "brexit" more likely. However he was not willing to go fully against the rest of his party, so he abstained.
It seems that these four MPs were, for various reasons, not willing to vote against the WA, nor vote with Theresa May, and so abstained on principle.
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15 of these non-votes are usual:
- The Speaker (Bercow) only votes to break a tie.
- The three Deputy Speakers (Hoyle, Lang, Winterton) also do not vote due to their positions.
- The seven Sinn Fein MPs (Begley, Brady, Gildernew, Hazzard, Maskey, McCallion, Molloy) do not take their seats in Parliament (this is party policy), so thus cannot vote.
- The tellers for this vote (Dakin, Debbonaire, Stephenson, Whittaker) are responsible for counting the votes, and thus do not vote themselves. (There are two ayes and two noes, so they cancel each other out anyway.)
I'm not able to find any information about the four other non-votes (Campbell, Hopkins, McNally, Skinner). It is possible that they simply failed to reach the chamber within the eight minute time limit, but I can find nothing to confirm this.
answered 8 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
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Is it "normal" for some people to simply not make it in time?
– Ben
8 hours ago
1
I can't say how normal it is, but it does sound plausible, depending on where they are when the division bells start ringing. But I must stress that this is simply speculation.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
add a comment |
15 of these non-votes are usual:
- The Speaker (Bercow) only votes to break a tie.
- The three Deputy Speakers (Hoyle, Lang, Winterton) also do not vote due to their positions.
- The seven Sinn Fein MPs (Begley, Brady, Gildernew, Hazzard, Maskey, McCallion, Molloy) do not take their seats in Parliament (this is party policy), so thus cannot vote.
- The tellers for this vote (Dakin, Debbonaire, Stephenson, Whittaker) are responsible for counting the votes, and thus do not vote themselves. (There are two ayes and two noes, so they cancel each other out anyway.)
I'm not able to find any information about the four other non-votes (Campbell, Hopkins, McNally, Skinner). It is possible that they simply failed to reach the chamber within the eight minute time limit, but I can find nothing to confirm this.
answered 8 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
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Is it "normal" for some people to simply not make it in time?
– Ben
8 hours ago
1
I can't say how normal it is, but it does sound plausible, depending on where they are when the division bells start ringing. But I must stress that this is simply speculation.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
add a comment |
15 of these non-votes are usual:
- The Speaker (Bercow) only votes to break a tie.
- The three Deputy Speakers (Hoyle, Lang, Winterton) also do not vote due to their positions.
- The seven Sinn Fein MPs (Begley, Brady, Gildernew, Hazzard, Maskey, McCallion, Molloy) do not take their seats in Parliament (this is party policy), so thus cannot vote.
- The tellers for this vote (Dakin, Debbonaire, Stephenson, Whittaker) are responsible for counting the votes, and thus do not vote themselves. (There are two ayes and two noes, so they cancel each other out anyway.)
I'm not able to find any information about the four other non-votes (Campbell, Hopkins, McNally, Skinner). It is possible that they simply failed to reach the chamber within the eight minute time limit, but I can find nothing to confirm this.
answered 8 hours ago
Joe CJoe C
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15 of these non-votes are usual:
- The Speaker (Bercow) only votes to break a tie.
- The three Deputy Speakers (Hoyle, Lang, Winterton) also do not vote due to their positions.
- The seven Sinn Fein MPs (Begley, Brady, Gildernew, Hazzard, Maskey, McCallion, Molloy) do not take their seats in Parliament (this is party policy), so thus cannot vote.
- The tellers for this vote (Dakin, Debbonaire, Stephenson, Whittaker) are responsible for counting the votes, and thus do not vote themselves. (There are two ayes and two noes, so they cancel each other out anyway.)
I'm not able to find any information about the four other non-votes (Campbell, Hopkins, McNally, Skinner). It is possible that they simply failed to reach the chamber within the eight minute time limit, but I can find nothing to confirm this.
answered 8 hours ago
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Is it "normal" for some people to simply not make it in time?
– Ben
8 hours ago
1
I can't say how normal it is, but it does sound plausible, depending on where they are when the division bells start ringing. But I must stress that this is simply speculation.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
add a comment |
Is it "normal" for some people to simply not make it in time?
– Ben
8 hours ago
1
I can't say how normal it is, but it does sound plausible, depending on where they are when the division bells start ringing. But I must stress that this is simply speculation.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
Is it "normal" for some people to simply not make it in time?
– Ben
8 hours ago
Is it "normal" for some people to simply not make it in time?
– Ben
8 hours ago
1
1
I can't say how normal it is, but it does sound plausible, depending on where they are when the division bells start ringing. But I must stress that this is simply speculation.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
I can't say how normal it is, but it does sound plausible, depending on where they are when the division bells start ringing. But I must stress that this is simply speculation.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
add a comment |
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I must note that "Vacant Seat" is not an MP, and thus only 19 MPs did not vote.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
1
Your unknown is Órfhlaith Begley, the member for West Tyrone for Sinn Féin.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
The Commons Votes website has Skinner down as Labour and Hopkins down as Independent.
– Joe C
8 hours ago
Skinner might have been Labour then, and is now Independent.
– Ben
8 hours ago
@Ben Dennis Skinner is absolutely still Labour. Hopkins is definitely an Independent, having had the whip withdrawn.
– owjburnham
4 hours ago