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I'm trying to create a BBEG that can't die naturally, or at least lives for thousands of years. The PCs need to be able to kill them in the end though. I know I can use a Lich or Vampire but is there any other way to accomplish this?



I'm not interested in monsters who are already immortal, I am interested in finding a mechanic that will allow my BBEG to be immortal regardless of their race. I am considering making BBEG a Loxodon, but have not yet settled on anything. You can assume that BBEG remains on the material plane for the duration.



The final battle will be at about Level 15 for the PCs.










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I'm trying to create a BBEG that can't die naturally, or at least lives for thousands of years. The PCs need to be able to kill them in the end though. I know I can use a Lich or Vampire but is there any other way to accomplish this?



I'm not interested in monsters who are already immortal, I am interested in finding a mechanic that will allow my BBEG to be immortal regardless of their race. I am considering making BBEG a Loxodon, but have not yet settled on anything. You can assume that BBEG remains on the material plane for the duration.



The final battle will be at about Level 15 for the PCs.










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    @Rubiksmoose Yes, that would be the final battle.
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    A simple Elf/Drow won't do?
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    @adonies Elves/Drow don't live long enough.
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I'm trying to create a BBEG that can't die naturally, or at least lives for thousands of years. The PCs need to be able to kill them in the end though. I know I can use a Lich or Vampire but is there any other way to accomplish this?



I'm not interested in monsters who are already immortal, I am interested in finding a mechanic that will allow my BBEG to be immortal regardless of their race. I am considering making BBEG a Loxodon, but have not yet settled on anything. You can assume that BBEG remains on the material plane for the duration.



The final battle will be at about Level 15 for the PCs.










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I'm trying to create a BBEG that can't die naturally, or at least lives for thousands of years. The PCs need to be able to kill them in the end though. I know I can use a Lich or Vampire but is there any other way to accomplish this?



I'm not interested in monsters who are already immortal, I am interested in finding a mechanic that will allow my BBEG to be immortal regardless of their race. I am considering making BBEG a Loxodon, but have not yet settled on anything. You can assume that BBEG remains on the material plane for the duration.



The final battle will be at about Level 15 for the PCs.







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    @Rubiksmoose Yes, that would be the final battle.
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    A simple Elf/Drow won't do?
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    @adonies Elves/Drow don't live long enough.
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    A simple Elf/Drow won't do?
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    @adonies Elves/Drow don't live long enough.
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A simple Elf/Drow won't do?
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@adonies Elves/Drow don't live long enough.
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@adonies Elves/Drow don't live long enough.
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Have them be a spellcaster with access to high level spells



The easiest way to achieve effective immortality is to use spells. A wizard has access to several of them once they get higher level spell slots.




  • Sequester will allow the BBEG to put themselves into a state of suspended animation during which they will not age. This will allow them to span any amount of time without aging (though it will mean that they are out of action for that time).


  • Clone will provide the BBEG with fresh young bodies to use once their older body dies. With enough of these, they can last an infinite amount of time. See this Q&A for more discussion on this.


  • Wish obviously wish can do anything, including granting immortality. A wish for immortality is unlikely to be granted in a straightforward manner though and would be a good opportunity for the DM to implement some sort of curse or other downside on the BBEG as a result of their wish.


  • Imprisonment is an option but it would require someone else to cast it on BBEG and for them to let them out again.


  • Reincarnate, revivify, resurrection, true resurrection can obviously also bring BBEG back from death assuming there is another caster capable and willing to cast it on them.

Be a high level Druid or Paladin



At 18th level, druids get the Timeless Body feature:




[T]he primal magic that you wield causes you to age more slowly. For every 10 years that pass, your body ages only 1 year.




Combine this with a long-lived race like the elf or warforged and you easily have thousands of years of life.



An Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets:




Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you
can’t be aged magically.




Which seems likely to be able to prevent death from old age as well. (thanks @Walt)



Grant an Epic Boon



As Carcer points out in their answer, a DM can use the Epic Boon of Immortality to grant BBEG Immortality. This assumes that they have 20 PC class levels and may not be justification enough for BBEG being immortal plot-wise, but it is an available mechanic.



Magic items



The Ring of Winter listed in Tomb of Annihilation will prevent aging.



You, as DM can also feel free to invent any kind of item or artifact that can prolong life as well. Just be sure you are fine with having it fall into the PC's hands or have some sort of plan to have them need to destroy it.



In fact...



Make something up



If none of the RAW options above satisfy you, make something up. You are the DM and you have the power to change your world to contain whatever effects you want. Perhaps, the villain found or made a powerful artifact. Or maybe they found a sacred site or ritual that allows them to be long-lived. The options are really endless and really, there shouldn't be much of a concern here because the long-lived villain is a common trope and is not likely to be a problem for players to accept even without explanation.



Or even better, you can mix and match from all these options to create the long-lived villain of your dreams.






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    Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets "Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you can’t be aged magically." I'd consider "death" a drawback of old age, no?
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    @Walt nice. I knew there was a paladin option I was missing. Added thanks!
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    People just suck at wishing. Just need to qualify your wish with "... in a way that my current present self in my current present state would find satisfying and in line with my own intent in making the wish."
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    "...warforged (see below)" I don't see anything below related to warforged? This is somewhat relevant to me, as my current 5e PC is a warforged druid.
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Use a monster.



There are plenty of creatures available that live for very long times. I won't bother listing all of them, but to name a few:



Dragons live a notoriously long time and can transform into humanoid form.



Fiends (read: Devils) are generally ageless*1



I'm unaware of an age limit for Hags.



Alternatively, MacGuffin



If you're the DM and you want the BBEG to have lived for thousands of years, then he's lived for thousands of years. Literally just make up a reason (try to make it a good reason); demonic pact, other worldly blessing, unicorn blood, whatever.




If you're determined for a RAW humanoid... a handful of class mechanics



As another user mentioned, cloning can keep you young for relatively little cost.



Having a druid cast Reincarnate on you after you die. This is risky because you have to trust someone to actually cast the spell, which is harder for a BBEG to achieve.



Being an 18th level druid slows aging by 90% (1 year for every 10). Combine this with an Elf or Dwarf and you can easily live thousands of years.




Honorable mention: being the target of Imprisonment. You don't age while imprisoned.




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The Epic Boon of Immortality



The DMG (on page 231) describes an optional system of further advancement for characters at 20th level called epic boons:




An epic boon is a special power available only to 20th level characters. Characters at that level gain such boons only if you want them to and only when you feel it's appropriate.



[...]



Epic boons can also be used as a form of advancement, a way to provide greater power to characters who have no more levels to gain. With this approach, consider awarding one epic boon to each character for every 30,000 XP he or she earns above 355,000 XP.




One of the boons described on page 232 is the Boon of Immortality:




You stop aging. You are immune to any effect that would age you, and you can't die from old age.




These options are intended for player characters, but there is no reason you cannot also use them for your NPCs. This method does presume your NPC is a 20th level character; that could be a challenge for a ~15th level party, especially if the BBEG is of a class which gets a very strong capstone ability, like a Circle of the Moon Druid, but it's not a totally insurmountable difference, depending on the circumstances of the fight.






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    Have them be a spellcaster with access to high level spells



    The easiest way to achieve effective immortality is to use spells. A wizard has access to several of them once they get higher level spell slots.




    • Sequester will allow the BBEG to put themselves into a state of suspended animation during which they will not age. This will allow them to span any amount of time without aging (though it will mean that they are out of action for that time).


    • Clone will provide the BBEG with fresh young bodies to use once their older body dies. With enough of these, they can last an infinite amount of time. See this Q&A for more discussion on this.


    • Wish obviously wish can do anything, including granting immortality. A wish for immortality is unlikely to be granted in a straightforward manner though and would be a good opportunity for the DM to implement some sort of curse or other downside on the BBEG as a result of their wish.


    • Imprisonment is an option but it would require someone else to cast it on BBEG and for them to let them out again.


    • Reincarnate, revivify, resurrection, true resurrection can obviously also bring BBEG back from death assuming there is another caster capable and willing to cast it on them.

    Be a high level Druid or Paladin



    At 18th level, druids get the Timeless Body feature:




    [T]he primal magic that you wield causes you to age more slowly. For every 10 years that pass, your body ages only 1 year.




    Combine this with a long-lived race like the elf or warforged and you easily have thousands of years of life.



    An Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets:




    Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you
    can’t be aged magically.




    Which seems likely to be able to prevent death from old age as well. (thanks @Walt)



    Grant an Epic Boon



    As Carcer points out in their answer, a DM can use the Epic Boon of Immortality to grant BBEG Immortality. This assumes that they have 20 PC class levels and may not be justification enough for BBEG being immortal plot-wise, but it is an available mechanic.



    Magic items



    The Ring of Winter listed in Tomb of Annihilation will prevent aging.



    You, as DM can also feel free to invent any kind of item or artifact that can prolong life as well. Just be sure you are fine with having it fall into the PC's hands or have some sort of plan to have them need to destroy it.



    In fact...



    Make something up



    If none of the RAW options above satisfy you, make something up. You are the DM and you have the power to change your world to contain whatever effects you want. Perhaps, the villain found or made a powerful artifact. Or maybe they found a sacred site or ritual that allows them to be long-lived. The options are really endless and really, there shouldn't be much of a concern here because the long-lived villain is a common trope and is not likely to be a problem for players to accept even without explanation.



    Or even better, you can mix and match from all these options to create the long-lived villain of your dreams.






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      Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets "Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you can’t be aged magically." I'd consider "death" a drawback of old age, no?
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      @Walt nice. I knew there was a paladin option I was missing. Added thanks!
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      People just suck at wishing. Just need to qualify your wish with "... in a way that my current present self in my current present state would find satisfying and in line with my own intent in making the wish."
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      "...warforged (see below)" I don't see anything below related to warforged? This is somewhat relevant to me, as my current 5e PC is a warforged druid.
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      @TemporalWolf good call. That was from a previous revision. Fixed.
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    Have them be a spellcaster with access to high level spells



    The easiest way to achieve effective immortality is to use spells. A wizard has access to several of them once they get higher level spell slots.




    • Sequester will allow the BBEG to put themselves into a state of suspended animation during which they will not age. This will allow them to span any amount of time without aging (though it will mean that they are out of action for that time).


    • Clone will provide the BBEG with fresh young bodies to use once their older body dies. With enough of these, they can last an infinite amount of time. See this Q&A for more discussion on this.


    • Wish obviously wish can do anything, including granting immortality. A wish for immortality is unlikely to be granted in a straightforward manner though and would be a good opportunity for the DM to implement some sort of curse or other downside on the BBEG as a result of their wish.


    • Imprisonment is an option but it would require someone else to cast it on BBEG and for them to let them out again.


    • Reincarnate, revivify, resurrection, true resurrection can obviously also bring BBEG back from death assuming there is another caster capable and willing to cast it on them.

    Be a high level Druid or Paladin



    At 18th level, druids get the Timeless Body feature:




    [T]he primal magic that you wield causes you to age more slowly. For every 10 years that pass, your body ages only 1 year.




    Combine this with a long-lived race like the elf or warforged and you easily have thousands of years of life.



    An Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets:




    Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you
    can’t be aged magically.




    Which seems likely to be able to prevent death from old age as well. (thanks @Walt)



    Grant an Epic Boon



    As Carcer points out in their answer, a DM can use the Epic Boon of Immortality to grant BBEG Immortality. This assumes that they have 20 PC class levels and may not be justification enough for BBEG being immortal plot-wise, but it is an available mechanic.



    Magic items



    The Ring of Winter listed in Tomb of Annihilation will prevent aging.



    You, as DM can also feel free to invent any kind of item or artifact that can prolong life as well. Just be sure you are fine with having it fall into the PC's hands or have some sort of plan to have them need to destroy it.



    In fact...



    Make something up



    If none of the RAW options above satisfy you, make something up. You are the DM and you have the power to change your world to contain whatever effects you want. Perhaps, the villain found or made a powerful artifact. Or maybe they found a sacred site or ritual that allows them to be long-lived. The options are really endless and really, there shouldn't be much of a concern here because the long-lived villain is a common trope and is not likely to be a problem for players to accept even without explanation.



    Or even better, you can mix and match from all these options to create the long-lived villain of your dreams.






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      Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets "Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you can’t be aged magically." I'd consider "death" a drawback of old age, no?
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      @Walt nice. I knew there was a paladin option I was missing. Added thanks!
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      People just suck at wishing. Just need to qualify your wish with "... in a way that my current present self in my current present state would find satisfying and in line with my own intent in making the wish."
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      "...warforged (see below)" I don't see anything below related to warforged? This is somewhat relevant to me, as my current 5e PC is a warforged druid.
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    Have them be a spellcaster with access to high level spells



    The easiest way to achieve effective immortality is to use spells. A wizard has access to several of them once they get higher level spell slots.




    • Sequester will allow the BBEG to put themselves into a state of suspended animation during which they will not age. This will allow them to span any amount of time without aging (though it will mean that they are out of action for that time).


    • Clone will provide the BBEG with fresh young bodies to use once their older body dies. With enough of these, they can last an infinite amount of time. See this Q&A for more discussion on this.


    • Wish obviously wish can do anything, including granting immortality. A wish for immortality is unlikely to be granted in a straightforward manner though and would be a good opportunity for the DM to implement some sort of curse or other downside on the BBEG as a result of their wish.


    • Imprisonment is an option but it would require someone else to cast it on BBEG and for them to let them out again.


    • Reincarnate, revivify, resurrection, true resurrection can obviously also bring BBEG back from death assuming there is another caster capable and willing to cast it on them.

    Be a high level Druid or Paladin



    At 18th level, druids get the Timeless Body feature:




    [T]he primal magic that you wield causes you to age more slowly. For every 10 years that pass, your body ages only 1 year.




    Combine this with a long-lived race like the elf or warforged and you easily have thousands of years of life.



    An Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets:




    Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you
    can’t be aged magically.




    Which seems likely to be able to prevent death from old age as well. (thanks @Walt)



    Grant an Epic Boon



    As Carcer points out in their answer, a DM can use the Epic Boon of Immortality to grant BBEG Immortality. This assumes that they have 20 PC class levels and may not be justification enough for BBEG being immortal plot-wise, but it is an available mechanic.



    Magic items



    The Ring of Winter listed in Tomb of Annihilation will prevent aging.



    You, as DM can also feel free to invent any kind of item or artifact that can prolong life as well. Just be sure you are fine with having it fall into the PC's hands or have some sort of plan to have them need to destroy it.



    In fact...



    Make something up



    If none of the RAW options above satisfy you, make something up. You are the DM and you have the power to change your world to contain whatever effects you want. Perhaps, the villain found or made a powerful artifact. Or maybe they found a sacred site or ritual that allows them to be long-lived. The options are really endless and really, there shouldn't be much of a concern here because the long-lived villain is a common trope and is not likely to be a problem for players to accept even without explanation.



    Or even better, you can mix and match from all these options to create the long-lived villain of your dreams.






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    Have them be a spellcaster with access to high level spells



    The easiest way to achieve effective immortality is to use spells. A wizard has access to several of them once they get higher level spell slots.




    • Sequester will allow the BBEG to put themselves into a state of suspended animation during which they will not age. This will allow them to span any amount of time without aging (though it will mean that they are out of action for that time).


    • Clone will provide the BBEG with fresh young bodies to use once their older body dies. With enough of these, they can last an infinite amount of time. See this Q&A for more discussion on this.


    • Wish obviously wish can do anything, including granting immortality. A wish for immortality is unlikely to be granted in a straightforward manner though and would be a good opportunity for the DM to implement some sort of curse or other downside on the BBEG as a result of their wish.


    • Imprisonment is an option but it would require someone else to cast it on BBEG and for them to let them out again.


    • Reincarnate, revivify, resurrection, true resurrection can obviously also bring BBEG back from death assuming there is another caster capable and willing to cast it on them.

    Be a high level Druid or Paladin



    At 18th level, druids get the Timeless Body feature:




    [T]he primal magic that you wield causes you to age more slowly. For every 10 years that pass, your body ages only 1 year.




    Combine this with a long-lived race like the elf or warforged and you easily have thousands of years of life.



    An Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets:




    Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you
    can’t be aged magically.




    Which seems likely to be able to prevent death from old age as well. (thanks @Walt)



    Grant an Epic Boon



    As Carcer points out in their answer, a DM can use the Epic Boon of Immortality to grant BBEG Immortality. This assumes that they have 20 PC class levels and may not be justification enough for BBEG being immortal plot-wise, but it is an available mechanic.



    Magic items



    The Ring of Winter listed in Tomb of Annihilation will prevent aging.



    You, as DM can also feel free to invent any kind of item or artifact that can prolong life as well. Just be sure you are fine with having it fall into the PC's hands or have some sort of plan to have them need to destroy it.



    In fact...



    Make something up



    If none of the RAW options above satisfy you, make something up. You are the DM and you have the power to change your world to contain whatever effects you want. Perhaps, the villain found or made a powerful artifact. Or maybe they found a sacred site or ritual that allows them to be long-lived. The options are really endless and really, there shouldn't be much of a concern here because the long-lived villain is a common trope and is not likely to be a problem for players to accept even without explanation.



    Or even better, you can mix and match from all these options to create the long-lived villain of your dreams.







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      Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets "Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you can’t be aged magically." I'd consider "death" a drawback of old age, no?
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      @Walt nice. I knew there was a paladin option I was missing. Added thanks!
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      People just suck at wishing. Just need to qualify your wish with "... in a way that my current present self in my current present state would find satisfying and in line with my own intent in making the wish."
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      "...warforged (see below)" I don't see anything below related to warforged? This is somewhat relevant to me, as my current 5e PC is a warforged druid.
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      @TemporalWolf good call. That was from a previous revision. Fixed.
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      Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets "Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you can’t be aged magically." I'd consider "death" a drawback of old age, no?
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      – Walt
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      @Walt nice. I knew there was a paladin option I was missing. Added thanks!
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      – Rubiksmoose
      4 hours ago






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      $begingroup$
      People just suck at wishing. Just need to qualify your wish with "... in a way that my current present self in my current present state would find satisfying and in line with my own intent in making the wish."
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      – Shufflepants
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    • $begingroup$
      "...warforged (see below)" I don't see anything below related to warforged? This is somewhat relevant to me, as my current 5e PC is a warforged druid.
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      – TemporalWolf
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      @TemporalWolf good call. That was from a previous revision. Fixed.
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      – Rubiksmoose
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    Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets "Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you can’t be aged magically." I'd consider "death" a drawback of old age, no?
    $endgroup$
    – Walt
    4 hours ago





    $begingroup$
    Oath of Ancients paladin at level 15 gets "Additionally, you suffer none of the drawbacks of old age, and you can’t be aged magically." I'd consider "death" a drawback of old age, no?
    $endgroup$
    – Walt
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    @Walt nice. I knew there was a paladin option I was missing. Added thanks!
    $endgroup$
    – Rubiksmoose
    4 hours ago




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    @Walt nice. I knew there was a paladin option I was missing. Added thanks!
    $endgroup$
    – Rubiksmoose
    4 hours ago




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    1




    $begingroup$
    People just suck at wishing. Just need to qualify your wish with "... in a way that my current present self in my current present state would find satisfying and in line with my own intent in making the wish."
    $endgroup$
    – Shufflepants
    4 hours ago





    $begingroup$
    People just suck at wishing. Just need to qualify your wish with "... in a way that my current present self in my current present state would find satisfying and in line with my own intent in making the wish."
    $endgroup$
    – Shufflepants
    4 hours ago













    $begingroup$
    "...warforged (see below)" I don't see anything below related to warforged? This is somewhat relevant to me, as my current 5e PC is a warforged druid.
    $endgroup$
    – TemporalWolf
    2 hours ago





    $begingroup$
    "...warforged (see below)" I don't see anything below related to warforged? This is somewhat relevant to me, as my current 5e PC is a warforged druid.
    $endgroup$
    – TemporalWolf
    2 hours ago













    $begingroup$
    @TemporalWolf good call. That was from a previous revision. Fixed.
    $endgroup$
    – Rubiksmoose
    1 hour ago




    $begingroup$
    @TemporalWolf good call. That was from a previous revision. Fixed.
    $endgroup$
    – Rubiksmoose
    1 hour ago













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    Use a monster.



    There are plenty of creatures available that live for very long times. I won't bother listing all of them, but to name a few:



    Dragons live a notoriously long time and can transform into humanoid form.



    Fiends (read: Devils) are generally ageless*1



    I'm unaware of an age limit for Hags.



    Alternatively, MacGuffin



    If you're the DM and you want the BBEG to have lived for thousands of years, then he's lived for thousands of years. Literally just make up a reason (try to make it a good reason); demonic pact, other worldly blessing, unicorn blood, whatever.




    If you're determined for a RAW humanoid... a handful of class mechanics



    As another user mentioned, cloning can keep you young for relatively little cost.



    Having a druid cast Reincarnate on you after you die. This is risky because you have to trust someone to actually cast the spell, which is harder for a BBEG to achieve.



    Being an 18th level druid slows aging by 90% (1 year for every 10). Combine this with an Elf or Dwarf and you can easily live thousands of years.




    Honorable mention: being the target of Imprisonment. You don't age while imprisoned.




    *1 The Monster Manual calls them immortal






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      Not only are Devils and Demons ageless, but they reform on their native plane when they die so they keep coming back.
      $endgroup$
      – GreySage
      6 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      Just so you know, the question is changing a bit as we get more details from OP. Our answers are likely going to change (get shorter).
      $endgroup$
      – Rubiksmoose
      5 hours ago






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      $begingroup$
      The monster section (primarily your answer) is no longer applicable and your humanoid one seems covered now :(
      $endgroup$
      – NautArch
      4 hours ago















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    $begingroup$

    Use a monster.



    There are plenty of creatures available that live for very long times. I won't bother listing all of them, but to name a few:



    Dragons live a notoriously long time and can transform into humanoid form.



    Fiends (read: Devils) are generally ageless*1



    I'm unaware of an age limit for Hags.



    Alternatively, MacGuffin



    If you're the DM and you want the BBEG to have lived for thousands of years, then he's lived for thousands of years. Literally just make up a reason (try to make it a good reason); demonic pact, other worldly blessing, unicorn blood, whatever.




    If you're determined for a RAW humanoid... a handful of class mechanics



    As another user mentioned, cloning can keep you young for relatively little cost.



    Having a druid cast Reincarnate on you after you die. This is risky because you have to trust someone to actually cast the spell, which is harder for a BBEG to achieve.



    Being an 18th level druid slows aging by 90% (1 year for every 10). Combine this with an Elf or Dwarf and you can easily live thousands of years.




    Honorable mention: being the target of Imprisonment. You don't age while imprisoned.




    *1 The Monster Manual calls them immortal






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      $begingroup$
      Not only are Devils and Demons ageless, but they reform on their native plane when they die so they keep coming back.
      $endgroup$
      – GreySage
      6 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      Just so you know, the question is changing a bit as we get more details from OP. Our answers are likely going to change (get shorter).
      $endgroup$
      – Rubiksmoose
      5 hours ago






    • 1




      $begingroup$
      The monster section (primarily your answer) is no longer applicable and your humanoid one seems covered now :(
      $endgroup$
      – NautArch
      4 hours ago













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    7





    $begingroup$

    Use a monster.



    There are plenty of creatures available that live for very long times. I won't bother listing all of them, but to name a few:



    Dragons live a notoriously long time and can transform into humanoid form.



    Fiends (read: Devils) are generally ageless*1



    I'm unaware of an age limit for Hags.



    Alternatively, MacGuffin



    If you're the DM and you want the BBEG to have lived for thousands of years, then he's lived for thousands of years. Literally just make up a reason (try to make it a good reason); demonic pact, other worldly blessing, unicorn blood, whatever.




    If you're determined for a RAW humanoid... a handful of class mechanics



    As another user mentioned, cloning can keep you young for relatively little cost.



    Having a druid cast Reincarnate on you after you die. This is risky because you have to trust someone to actually cast the spell, which is harder for a BBEG to achieve.



    Being an 18th level druid slows aging by 90% (1 year for every 10). Combine this with an Elf or Dwarf and you can easily live thousands of years.




    Honorable mention: being the target of Imprisonment. You don't age while imprisoned.




    *1 The Monster Manual calls them immortal






    share|improve this answer











    $endgroup$



    Use a monster.



    There are plenty of creatures available that live for very long times. I won't bother listing all of them, but to name a few:



    Dragons live a notoriously long time and can transform into humanoid form.



    Fiends (read: Devils) are generally ageless*1



    I'm unaware of an age limit for Hags.



    Alternatively, MacGuffin



    If you're the DM and you want the BBEG to have lived for thousands of years, then he's lived for thousands of years. Literally just make up a reason (try to make it a good reason); demonic pact, other worldly blessing, unicorn blood, whatever.




    If you're determined for a RAW humanoid... a handful of class mechanics



    As another user mentioned, cloning can keep you young for relatively little cost.



    Having a druid cast Reincarnate on you after you die. This is risky because you have to trust someone to actually cast the spell, which is harder for a BBEG to achieve.



    Being an 18th level druid slows aging by 90% (1 year for every 10). Combine this with an Elf or Dwarf and you can easily live thousands of years.




    Honorable mention: being the target of Imprisonment. You don't age while imprisoned.




    *1 The Monster Manual calls them immortal







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      $begingroup$
      Not only are Devils and Demons ageless, but they reform on their native plane when they die so they keep coming back.
      $endgroup$
      – GreySage
      6 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      Just so you know, the question is changing a bit as we get more details from OP. Our answers are likely going to change (get shorter).
      $endgroup$
      – Rubiksmoose
      5 hours ago






    • 1




      $begingroup$
      The monster section (primarily your answer) is no longer applicable and your humanoid one seems covered now :(
      $endgroup$
      – NautArch
      4 hours ago












    • 3




      $begingroup$
      Not only are Devils and Demons ageless, but they reform on their native plane when they die so they keep coming back.
      $endgroup$
      – GreySage
      6 hours ago










    • $begingroup$
      Just so you know, the question is changing a bit as we get more details from OP. Our answers are likely going to change (get shorter).
      $endgroup$
      – Rubiksmoose
      5 hours ago






    • 1




      $begingroup$
      The monster section (primarily your answer) is no longer applicable and your humanoid one seems covered now :(
      $endgroup$
      – NautArch
      4 hours ago







    3




    3




    $begingroup$
    Not only are Devils and Demons ageless, but they reform on their native plane when they die so they keep coming back.
    $endgroup$
    – GreySage
    6 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    Not only are Devils and Demons ageless, but they reform on their native plane when they die so they keep coming back.
    $endgroup$
    – GreySage
    6 hours ago












    $begingroup$
    Just so you know, the question is changing a bit as we get more details from OP. Our answers are likely going to change (get shorter).
    $endgroup$
    – Rubiksmoose
    5 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    Just so you know, the question is changing a bit as we get more details from OP. Our answers are likely going to change (get shorter).
    $endgroup$
    – Rubiksmoose
    5 hours ago




    1




    1




    $begingroup$
    The monster section (primarily your answer) is no longer applicable and your humanoid one seems covered now :(
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
    4 hours ago




    $begingroup$
    The monster section (primarily your answer) is no longer applicable and your humanoid one seems covered now :(
    $endgroup$
    – NautArch
    4 hours ago











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    The Epic Boon of Immortality



    The DMG (on page 231) describes an optional system of further advancement for characters at 20th level called epic boons:




    An epic boon is a special power available only to 20th level characters. Characters at that level gain such boons only if you want them to and only when you feel it's appropriate.



    [...]



    Epic boons can also be used as a form of advancement, a way to provide greater power to characters who have no more levels to gain. With this approach, consider awarding one epic boon to each character for every 30,000 XP he or she earns above 355,000 XP.




    One of the boons described on page 232 is the Boon of Immortality:




    You stop aging. You are immune to any effect that would age you, and you can't die from old age.




    These options are intended for player characters, but there is no reason you cannot also use them for your NPCs. This method does presume your NPC is a 20th level character; that could be a challenge for a ~15th level party, especially if the BBEG is of a class which gets a very strong capstone ability, like a Circle of the Moon Druid, but it's not a totally insurmountable difference, depending on the circumstances of the fight.






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      $begingroup$

      The Epic Boon of Immortality



      The DMG (on page 231) describes an optional system of further advancement for characters at 20th level called epic boons:




      An epic boon is a special power available only to 20th level characters. Characters at that level gain such boons only if you want them to and only when you feel it's appropriate.



      [...]



      Epic boons can also be used as a form of advancement, a way to provide greater power to characters who have no more levels to gain. With this approach, consider awarding one epic boon to each character for every 30,000 XP he or she earns above 355,000 XP.




      One of the boons described on page 232 is the Boon of Immortality:




      You stop aging. You are immune to any effect that would age you, and you can't die from old age.




      These options are intended for player characters, but there is no reason you cannot also use them for your NPCs. This method does presume your NPC is a 20th level character; that could be a challenge for a ~15th level party, especially if the BBEG is of a class which gets a very strong capstone ability, like a Circle of the Moon Druid, but it's not a totally insurmountable difference, depending on the circumstances of the fight.






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        6








        6





        $begingroup$

        The Epic Boon of Immortality



        The DMG (on page 231) describes an optional system of further advancement for characters at 20th level called epic boons:




        An epic boon is a special power available only to 20th level characters. Characters at that level gain such boons only if you want them to and only when you feel it's appropriate.



        [...]



        Epic boons can also be used as a form of advancement, a way to provide greater power to characters who have no more levels to gain. With this approach, consider awarding one epic boon to each character for every 30,000 XP he or she earns above 355,000 XP.




        One of the boons described on page 232 is the Boon of Immortality:




        You stop aging. You are immune to any effect that would age you, and you can't die from old age.




        These options are intended for player characters, but there is no reason you cannot also use them for your NPCs. This method does presume your NPC is a 20th level character; that could be a challenge for a ~15th level party, especially if the BBEG is of a class which gets a very strong capstone ability, like a Circle of the Moon Druid, but it's not a totally insurmountable difference, depending on the circumstances of the fight.






        share|improve this answer











        $endgroup$



        The Epic Boon of Immortality



        The DMG (on page 231) describes an optional system of further advancement for characters at 20th level called epic boons:




        An epic boon is a special power available only to 20th level characters. Characters at that level gain such boons only if you want them to and only when you feel it's appropriate.



        [...]



        Epic boons can also be used as a form of advancement, a way to provide greater power to characters who have no more levels to gain. With this approach, consider awarding one epic boon to each character for every 30,000 XP he or she earns above 355,000 XP.




        One of the boons described on page 232 is the Boon of Immortality:




        You stop aging. You are immune to any effect that would age you, and you can't die from old age.




        These options are intended for player characters, but there is no reason you cannot also use them for your NPCs. This method does presume your NPC is a 20th level character; that could be a challenge for a ~15th level party, especially if the BBEG is of a class which gets a very strong capstone ability, like a Circle of the Moon Druid, but it's not a totally insurmountable difference, depending on the circumstances of the fight.







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