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Chopin: marche funèbre bar 15 impossible place
piano finger spreadOctave shift contextDamper pedal for Requiem for a DreamPiano problem specifically with how I should place my handFingering for some arpeggios on piano (Final Fantasy prelude)Designing a machine to play left hand notes in a piano for someone who lost his handHow to play two voices with a large range in the same hand?Understanding the ending of Debussy's La fille aux cheveux de linHow to approach piano chords that require you to press high in the keysFantasie Impromptu and hand flexibility
Look at the left hand: Db from small octave and F from 1-st octave. Neither I, nor anybody of my acquaintances can stretch the hand so far.
My idea was to replace F 1-t octave to F small octave. But this is a hack of course. How do professionals play it? It can't be made for the people with huge hands only.
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Look at the left hand: Db from small octave and F from 1-st octave. Neither I, nor anybody of my acquaintances can stretch the hand so far.
My idea was to replace F 1-t octave to F small octave. But this is a hack of course. How do professionals play it? It can't be made for the people with huge hands only.
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Have you checked against other sources? Possibly it's a typo and should be an F in the bass
– JETM
9 hours ago
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You'd be surprised how many people's hands span a 10th. For example, transcriptions by ear of Tom Brier's solo piano works consistently have 10ths in them.
– Dekkadeci
4 hours ago
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– user45266
4 hours ago
@Dekkadeci I made a mistake: it's not D, but Db, so it's not 10th, but 11th. And even worse as it includes additional stretching from a black key to white. Sorry, forgot about the key signature. My hand stretches 10th.
– user4035
1 hour ago
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Look at the left hand: Db from small octave and F from 1-st octave. Neither I, nor anybody of my acquaintances can stretch the hand so far.
My idea was to replace F 1-t octave to F small octave. But this is a hack of course. How do professionals play it? It can't be made for the people with huge hands only.
piano fingering chopin
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Look at the left hand: Db from small octave and F from 1-st octave. Neither I, nor anybody of my acquaintances can stretch the hand so far.
My idea was to replace F 1-t octave to F small octave. But this is a hack of course. How do professionals play it? It can't be made for the people with huge hands only.
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Have you checked against other sources? Possibly it's a typo and should be an F in the bass
– JETM
9 hours ago
1
You'd be surprised how many people's hands span a 10th. For example, transcriptions by ear of Tom Brier's solo piano works consistently have 10ths in them.
– Dekkadeci
4 hours ago
Rachmaninoff has entered the chat.
– user45266
4 hours ago
@Dekkadeci I made a mistake: it's not D, but Db, so it's not 10th, but 11th. And even worse as it includes additional stretching from a black key to white. Sorry, forgot about the key signature. My hand stretches 10th.
– user4035
1 hour ago
add a comment |
Have you checked against other sources? Possibly it's a typo and should be an F in the bass
– JETM
9 hours ago
1
You'd be surprised how many people's hands span a 10th. For example, transcriptions by ear of Tom Brier's solo piano works consistently have 10ths in them.
– Dekkadeci
4 hours ago
Rachmaninoff has entered the chat.
– user45266
4 hours ago
@Dekkadeci I made a mistake: it's not D, but Db, so it's not 10th, but 11th. And even worse as it includes additional stretching from a black key to white. Sorry, forgot about the key signature. My hand stretches 10th.
– user4035
1 hour ago
Have you checked against other sources? Possibly it's a typo and should be an F in the bass
– JETM
9 hours ago
Have you checked against other sources? Possibly it's a typo and should be an F in the bass
– JETM
9 hours ago
1
1
You'd be surprised how many people's hands span a 10th. For example, transcriptions by ear of Tom Brier's solo piano works consistently have 10ths in them.
– Dekkadeci
4 hours ago
You'd be surprised how many people's hands span a 10th. For example, transcriptions by ear of Tom Brier's solo piano works consistently have 10ths in them.
– Dekkadeci
4 hours ago
Rachmaninoff has entered the chat.
– user45266
4 hours ago
Rachmaninoff has entered the chat.
– user45266
4 hours ago
@Dekkadeci I made a mistake: it's not D, but Db, so it's not 10th, but 11th. And even worse as it includes additional stretching from a black key to white. Sorry, forgot about the key signature. My hand stretches 10th.
– user4035
1 hour ago
@Dekkadeci I made a mistake: it's not D, but Db, so it's not 10th, but 11th. And even worse as it includes additional stretching from a black key to white. Sorry, forgot about the key signature. My hand stretches 10th.
– user4035
1 hour ago
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This does not seem to be a typo, as evidenced by a clear D♭ in the bass on page 14 of the autograph manuscript:
On page 14 of Kullak's "instructive edition" found here, the editor suggests fingering the chord 5–3–1 and rolling the chord to get all three pitches:
And a final note just to clear any confusion: this is the B♭-minor funeral march from the Op. 35 sonata, not the later lesser-known funeral march in C minor (Op. 72, No. 2).
answered 8 hours ago
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"this is the B♭-minor funeral march" - yes, and it will make us play Db - F, not D - F as I said by mistake in the question.
– user4035
57 mins ago
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I won't talk about if it's transcribed correctly or not, because I don't know the piece...
However, the part you've mentioned is actually 'only' a 10th.
There are a lot of people who can reach a 10th in certain key signatures, me included:
This 10th for example is very easy for me to reach, in the key of C I could even get it up to an 11th:
If you can't reach a 10th, just roll the chord/notes from low to high. There are people with small hands who can't even reach an octave. They also just roll the chords. Of course in this situation the sustain pedal might be helpful to not lose the lower notes after you rolled them ;)
If done properly it still sounds good, just a bit different.
answered 8 hours ago
AndyAndy
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Sorry, it's not D, but Db. I fixed the question. I can reach 10 as you did between white keys, but not black Db - white F.
– user4035
1 hour ago
add a comment |
It is probably a typo. But if it isn't (which I doubt) then you might have to flick your wrist, basically rolling the chord (though its not marked and wouldn't make sense in the context of the song). Its a fun technique to practice, especially when you nail the notes, but difficult in the beginning. Check out Chopin - Etude Op. 10 No. 5, which has a lot of those. Liszt also has some huge rolled arpeggios in his La Campanella.
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It's not a typo, it's in the autograph manuscript
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This does not seem to be a typo, as evidenced by a clear D♭ in the bass on page 14 of the autograph manuscript:
On page 14 of Kullak's "instructive edition" found here, the editor suggests fingering the chord 5–3–1 and rolling the chord to get all three pitches:
And a final note just to clear any confusion: this is the B♭-minor funeral march from the Op. 35 sonata, not the later lesser-known funeral march in C minor (Op. 72, No. 2).
answered 8 hours ago
RichardRichard
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"this is the B♭-minor funeral march" - yes, and it will make us play Db - F, not D - F as I said by mistake in the question.
– user4035
57 mins ago
add a comment |
This does not seem to be a typo, as evidenced by a clear D♭ in the bass on page 14 of the autograph manuscript:
On page 14 of Kullak's "instructive edition" found here, the editor suggests fingering the chord 5–3–1 and rolling the chord to get all three pitches:
And a final note just to clear any confusion: this is the B♭-minor funeral march from the Op. 35 sonata, not the later lesser-known funeral march in C minor (Op. 72, No. 2).
answered 8 hours ago
RichardRichard
47.1k7115201
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"this is the B♭-minor funeral march" - yes, and it will make us play Db - F, not D - F as I said by mistake in the question.
– user4035
57 mins ago
add a comment |
This does not seem to be a typo, as evidenced by a clear D♭ in the bass on page 14 of the autograph manuscript:
On page 14 of Kullak's "instructive edition" found here, the editor suggests fingering the chord 5–3–1 and rolling the chord to get all three pitches:
And a final note just to clear any confusion: this is the B♭-minor funeral march from the Op. 35 sonata, not the later lesser-known funeral march in C minor (Op. 72, No. 2).
answered 8 hours ago
RichardRichard
47.1k7115201
This does not seem to be a typo, as evidenced by a clear D♭ in the bass on page 14 of the autograph manuscript:
On page 14 of Kullak's "instructive edition" found here, the editor suggests fingering the chord 5–3–1 and rolling the chord to get all three pitches:
And a final note just to clear any confusion: this is the B♭-minor funeral march from the Op. 35 sonata, not the later lesser-known funeral march in C minor (Op. 72, No. 2).
answered 8 hours ago
RichardRichard
47.1k7115201
edited 55 mins ago
answered 8 hours ago
RichardRichard
47.1k7115201
answered 8 hours ago
RichardRichard
47.1k7115201
answered 8 hours ago
RichardRichard
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"this is the B♭-minor funeral march" - yes, and it will make us play Db - F, not D - F as I said by mistake in the question.
– user4035
57 mins ago
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"this is the B♭-minor funeral march" - yes, and it will make us play Db - F, not D - F as I said by mistake in the question.
– user4035
57 mins ago
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"this is the B♭-minor funeral march" - yes, and it will make us play Db - F, not D - F as I said by mistake in the question.
– user4035
57 mins ago
"this is the B♭-minor funeral march" - yes, and it will make us play Db - F, not D - F as I said by mistake in the question.
– user4035
57 mins ago
add a comment |
I won't talk about if it's transcribed correctly or not, because I don't know the piece...
However, the part you've mentioned is actually 'only' a 10th.
There are a lot of people who can reach a 10th in certain key signatures, me included:
This 10th for example is very easy for me to reach, in the key of C I could even get it up to an 11th:
If you can't reach a 10th, just roll the chord/notes from low to high. There are people with small hands who can't even reach an octave. They also just roll the chords. Of course in this situation the sustain pedal might be helpful to not lose the lower notes after you rolled them ;)
If done properly it still sounds good, just a bit different.
answered 8 hours ago
AndyAndy
1,208122
Sorry, it's not D, but Db. I fixed the question. I can reach 10 as you did between white keys, but not black Db - white F.
– user4035
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I won't talk about if it's transcribed correctly or not, because I don't know the piece...
However, the part you've mentioned is actually 'only' a 10th.
There are a lot of people who can reach a 10th in certain key signatures, me included:
This 10th for example is very easy for me to reach, in the key of C I could even get it up to an 11th:
If you can't reach a 10th, just roll the chord/notes from low to high. There are people with small hands who can't even reach an octave. They also just roll the chords. Of course in this situation the sustain pedal might be helpful to not lose the lower notes after you rolled them ;)
If done properly it still sounds good, just a bit different.
answered 8 hours ago
AndyAndy
1,208122
Sorry, it's not D, but Db. I fixed the question. I can reach 10 as you did between white keys, but not black Db - white F.
– user4035
1 hour ago
add a comment |
I won't talk about if it's transcribed correctly or not, because I don't know the piece...
However, the part you've mentioned is actually 'only' a 10th.
There are a lot of people who can reach a 10th in certain key signatures, me included:
This 10th for example is very easy for me to reach, in the key of C I could even get it up to an 11th:
If you can't reach a 10th, just roll the chord/notes from low to high. There are people with small hands who can't even reach an octave. They also just roll the chords. Of course in this situation the sustain pedal might be helpful to not lose the lower notes after you rolled them ;)
If done properly it still sounds good, just a bit different.
answered 8 hours ago
AndyAndy
1,208122
I won't talk about if it's transcribed correctly or not, because I don't know the piece...
However, the part you've mentioned is actually 'only' a 10th.
There are a lot of people who can reach a 10th in certain key signatures, me included:
This 10th for example is very easy for me to reach, in the key of C I could even get it up to an 11th:
If you can't reach a 10th, just roll the chord/notes from low to high. There are people with small hands who can't even reach an octave. They also just roll the chords. Of course in this situation the sustain pedal might be helpful to not lose the lower notes after you rolled them ;)
If done properly it still sounds good, just a bit different.
answered 8 hours ago
AndyAndy
1,208122
answered 8 hours ago
AndyAndy
1,208122
answered 8 hours ago
AndyAndy
1,208122
answered 8 hours ago
AndyAndy
1,208122
1,208122
Sorry, it's not D, but Db. I fixed the question. I can reach 10 as you did between white keys, but not black Db - white F.
– user4035
1 hour ago
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Sorry, it's not D, but Db. I fixed the question. I can reach 10 as you did between white keys, but not black Db - white F.
– user4035
1 hour ago
Sorry, it's not D, but Db. I fixed the question. I can reach 10 as you did between white keys, but not black Db - white F.
– user4035
1 hour ago
Sorry, it's not D, but Db. I fixed the question. I can reach 10 as you did between white keys, but not black Db - white F.
– user4035
1 hour ago
add a comment |
It is probably a typo. But if it isn't (which I doubt) then you might have to flick your wrist, basically rolling the chord (though its not marked and wouldn't make sense in the context of the song). Its a fun technique to practice, especially when you nail the notes, but difficult in the beginning. Check out Chopin - Etude Op. 10 No. 5, which has a lot of those. Liszt also has some huge rolled arpeggios in his La Campanella.
answered 9 hours ago
TheoTheo
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It's not a typo, it's in the autograph manuscript
– PiedPiper
5 hours ago
add a comment |
It is probably a typo. But if it isn't (which I doubt) then you might have to flick your wrist, basically rolling the chord (though its not marked and wouldn't make sense in the context of the song). Its a fun technique to practice, especially when you nail the notes, but difficult in the beginning. Check out Chopin - Etude Op. 10 No. 5, which has a lot of those. Liszt also has some huge rolled arpeggios in his La Campanella.
answered 9 hours ago
TheoTheo
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It's not a typo, it's in the autograph manuscript
– PiedPiper
5 hours ago
add a comment |
It is probably a typo. But if it isn't (which I doubt) then you might have to flick your wrist, basically rolling the chord (though its not marked and wouldn't make sense in the context of the song). Its a fun technique to practice, especially when you nail the notes, but difficult in the beginning. Check out Chopin - Etude Op. 10 No. 5, which has a lot of those. Liszt also has some huge rolled arpeggios in his La Campanella.
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It is probably a typo. But if it isn't (which I doubt) then you might have to flick your wrist, basically rolling the chord (though its not marked and wouldn't make sense in the context of the song). Its a fun technique to practice, especially when you nail the notes, but difficult in the beginning. Check out Chopin - Etude Op. 10 No. 5, which has a lot of those. Liszt also has some huge rolled arpeggios in his La Campanella.
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It's not a typo, it's in the autograph manuscript
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It's not a typo, it's in the autograph manuscript
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Have you checked against other sources? Possibly it's a typo and should be an F in the bass
– JETM
9 hours ago
1
You'd be surprised how many people's hands span a 10th. For example, transcriptions by ear of Tom Brier's solo piano works consistently have 10ths in them.
– Dekkadeci
4 hours ago
Rachmaninoff has entered the chat.
– user45266
4 hours ago
@Dekkadeci I made a mistake: it's not D, but Db, so it's not 10th, but 11th. And even worse as it includes additional stretching from a black key to white. Sorry, forgot about the key signature. My hand stretches 10th.
– user4035
1 hour ago