should truth entail possible truth The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are In Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern) Which kinds of Philosophy.SE questions should be taken from (or tolerated in)…What happens if we accept inconsistency?What determines accessibility of possible worlds?How is Kripke-style modal logic distinct from classical propositional logic with additional axioms?Modal Realism: Possible Worlds spatio-temporally isolated?Why might truth imply necessity?Is there modal logic without possible worlds?Necessity and possibility (again)Is it possible to not know that one knows p?Truth that requires two possible worlds not causally linkedIs it possible to have truth if objective randomness exists?Modal validity & vagueness

Keeping a retro style to sci-fi spaceships?

Why doesn't a hydraulic lever violate conservation of energy?

Working through the single responsibility principle (SRP) in Python when calls are expensive

Is it ethical to upload a automatically generated paper to a non peer-reviewed site as part of a larger research?

Can the Right Ascension and Argument of Perigee of a spacecraft's orbit keep varying by themselves with time?

Can the DM override racial traits?

How to read αἱμύλιος or when to aspirate

Does Parliament need to approve the new Brexit delay to 31 October 2019?

"... to apply for a visa" or "... and applied for a visa"?

Deal with toxic manager when you can't quit

What to do when moving next to a bird sanctuary with a loosely-domesticated cat?

Is this wall load bearing? Blueprints and photos attached

Did the new image of black hole confirm the general theory of relativity?

How did passengers keep warm on sail ships?

Make it rain characters

The following signatures were invalid: EXPKEYSIG 1397BC53640DB551

When did F become S? Why?

What do I do when my TA workload is more than expected?

What was the last x86 CPU that did not have the x87 floating-point unit built in?

Why not take a picture of a closer black hole?

Do working physicists consider Newtonian mechanics to be "falsified"?

What can I do if neighbor is blocking my solar panels intentionally?

Huge performance difference of the command find with and without using %M option to show permissions

Does Parliament hold absolute power in the UK?



should truth entail possible truth



The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are In
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)
Which kinds of Philosophy.SE questions should be taken from (or tolerated in)…What happens if we accept inconsistency?What determines accessibility of possible worlds?How is Kripke-style modal logic distinct from classical propositional logic with additional axioms?Modal Realism: Possible Worlds spatio-temporally isolated?Why might truth imply necessity?Is there modal logic without possible worlds?Necessity and possibility (again)Is it possible to not know that one knows p?Truth that requires two possible worlds not causally linkedIs it possible to have truth if objective randomness exists?Modal validity & vagueness










3















It is a well-accepted axiom of modal logic truth implies possible truth.



Is there any philosophical argument against this conclusion? In other words, should truth entail possible truth?










share|improve this question


























    3















    It is a well-accepted axiom of modal logic truth implies possible truth.



    Is there any philosophical argument against this conclusion? In other words, should truth entail possible truth?










    share|improve this question
























      3












      3








      3








      It is a well-accepted axiom of modal logic truth implies possible truth.



      Is there any philosophical argument against this conclusion? In other words, should truth entail possible truth?










      share|improve this question














      It is a well-accepted axiom of modal logic truth implies possible truth.



      Is there any philosophical argument against this conclusion? In other words, should truth entail possible truth?







      epistemology truth modal-logic






      share|improve this question













      share|improve this question











      share|improve this question




      share|improve this question










      asked 5 hours ago









      puzzledpuzzled

      242




      242




















          2 Answers
          2






          active

          oldest

          votes


















          2














          If we're talking about metaphysical possibility, then normally yes. If you reject the claim that "if P then possibly P", you must also reject the claim that "if necessarily P then P". Proof: suppose we reject truth implies possibility (that is, we reject that for every formula P, if P then possibly P). Then for some formula A, we have A and not-possibly A. Not-possibly A is equivalent to necessarily-not-A. So we have A and necessarily-not-A, meaning the necessity of not-A doesn't imply the actual truth of not-A.



          However formally within modal logic itself, you can mess around with axioms and frame conditions in whatever way you want. Rejecting "if P then possibly P" amounts to rejecting reflexivity as a frame condition. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility_relation for more about frame conditions and their corresponding axioms. (EDIT: Frame conditions tell us what worlds we "see" when evaluating possibly P and necessarily P at a world w. If at least one world that w "sees" satisfies P, then w satisfies possibly P. If every world w "sees" satisfies P, then w satisfies necessarily P. Reflexivity tells us that w always "sees" itself when evaluating statements of possibility and necessity. It may be that P is true in the actual world, but if we reject reflexivity then we're not looking at the actual world to determine the truth of possibly P! And maybe every other world we "see" indeed fails to satisfy P.)



          (Noah Schweber's comments below should be heeded as well. The box and diamond operators can be interpreted in different ways for different modalities!)






          share|improve this answer




















          • 1





            +1. For the OP, keep in mind that "should 'p is true' imply 'p is possible'?" is a very different question from "should 'p is true' imply '<>(p)'?" There are many ways to interpret the modality <> (and its dual, []) - 'is possible' is one, but others include 'is possibly true in the future' (and the present isn't the future!), 'is permitted' (and life isn't fair!), and 'is consistent' (and Godel's theorem makes this surprisingly subtle!). (contd)

            – Noah Schweber
            2 hours ago







          • 1





            This answer's second paragraph reflects this: modal logic isn't just about the modalities 'is possible'/'is necessary' (and for that matter, frames aren't the only way to provide semantics for modal logic, and often aren't even appropriate for a given task!). This is all an aside, since your question really does focus on possibility specifically, but it's a point worth mentioning given the "modal-logic" tag.

            – Noah Schweber
            2 hours ago


















          1














          Obviously truth implies possibility. So let me make a case for truth not implying possibility.



          Let's start with an "applied logic" example. Suppose I'm trying to reason about the world using imperfect information (i.e. my senses and informal induction). At any given moment, I'll have some idea of what the world is, but that idea will probably be contradictory in subtle ways. For example, I may "accept" - for some meaning of the word - two physical theories which each work extremely well in their appropriate contexts but which as currently posed contradict each other (think about general relativity versus quantum mechanics). I believe each of a set of statements the conjunction of which is not possible. This is a situation in which I might want a formal system in which <> is interpreted as "is possible" but I don't have the rule "from p, infer <>p." And this issue also arises, with somewhat more urgency, in the context of artificial intelligence and more generally any situation where a machine is "making decisions" based on data about the world around it, and we're modeling that process (either in implementing it or in analyzing it after-the-fact) with a logical system.



          Of course, what's true and what's currently believed are different (duh!), and so this isn't really an example of the phenomenon you're interested in. But implicitly invoked in our bringing this up is the principle that there are no true contradictions, and this is not universally held; the rejection of this principle is called dialetheism.



          • And on the formal logic side, you may be interested in paraconsistent logic and relevant/relevance logic; note that this is very different from intuitionistic logic, which rejects the law of the excluded middle but nonetheless does not permit contradictons.

          Now we get into a very interesting mess: how should a dialetheist think of possibility? I don't know of anyone who's argued - within the dialetheist context - that possibility entails consistency, and hence that there are true impossible facts as well as true contradictions, but I can sort of see how an argument for this might go. Since I think producing "original research" here isn't really appropriate (you asked "is there any argument" not "can there be any argument," after all) I won't go into this, but I do think it's worth mentioning in this context: that dialetheism puts us in a situation where the question becomes at the very least not trivially trivial.






          share|improve this answer























          • Incidentally, this answer of mine may be of tangential interest.

            – Noah Schweber
            1 hour ago











          Your Answer








          StackExchange.ready(function()
          var channelOptions =
          tags: "".split(" "),
          id: "265"
          ;
          initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

          StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
          // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
          if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
          StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
          createEditor();
          );

          else
          createEditor();

          );

          function createEditor()
          StackExchange.prepareEditor(
          heartbeatType: 'answer',
          autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
          convertImagesToLinks: false,
          noModals: true,
          showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
          reputationToPostImages: null,
          bindNavPrevention: true,
          postfix: "",
          imageUploader:
          brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
          contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/"u003ecc by-sa 3.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
          allowUrls: true
          ,
          noCode: true, onDemand: true,
          discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
          ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
          );



          );













          draft saved

          draft discarded


















          StackExchange.ready(
          function ()
          StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fphilosophy.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f61776%2fshould-truth-entail-possible-truth%23new-answer', 'question_page');

          );

          Post as a guest















          Required, but never shown

























          2 Answers
          2






          active

          oldest

          votes








          2 Answers
          2






          active

          oldest

          votes









          active

          oldest

          votes






          active

          oldest

          votes









          2














          If we're talking about metaphysical possibility, then normally yes. If you reject the claim that "if P then possibly P", you must also reject the claim that "if necessarily P then P". Proof: suppose we reject truth implies possibility (that is, we reject that for every formula P, if P then possibly P). Then for some formula A, we have A and not-possibly A. Not-possibly A is equivalent to necessarily-not-A. So we have A and necessarily-not-A, meaning the necessity of not-A doesn't imply the actual truth of not-A.



          However formally within modal logic itself, you can mess around with axioms and frame conditions in whatever way you want. Rejecting "if P then possibly P" amounts to rejecting reflexivity as a frame condition. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility_relation for more about frame conditions and their corresponding axioms. (EDIT: Frame conditions tell us what worlds we "see" when evaluating possibly P and necessarily P at a world w. If at least one world that w "sees" satisfies P, then w satisfies possibly P. If every world w "sees" satisfies P, then w satisfies necessarily P. Reflexivity tells us that w always "sees" itself when evaluating statements of possibility and necessity. It may be that P is true in the actual world, but if we reject reflexivity then we're not looking at the actual world to determine the truth of possibly P! And maybe every other world we "see" indeed fails to satisfy P.)



          (Noah Schweber's comments below should be heeded as well. The box and diamond operators can be interpreted in different ways for different modalities!)






          share|improve this answer




















          • 1





            +1. For the OP, keep in mind that "should 'p is true' imply 'p is possible'?" is a very different question from "should 'p is true' imply '<>(p)'?" There are many ways to interpret the modality <> (and its dual, []) - 'is possible' is one, but others include 'is possibly true in the future' (and the present isn't the future!), 'is permitted' (and life isn't fair!), and 'is consistent' (and Godel's theorem makes this surprisingly subtle!). (contd)

            – Noah Schweber
            2 hours ago







          • 1





            This answer's second paragraph reflects this: modal logic isn't just about the modalities 'is possible'/'is necessary' (and for that matter, frames aren't the only way to provide semantics for modal logic, and often aren't even appropriate for a given task!). This is all an aside, since your question really does focus on possibility specifically, but it's a point worth mentioning given the "modal-logic" tag.

            – Noah Schweber
            2 hours ago















          2














          If we're talking about metaphysical possibility, then normally yes. If you reject the claim that "if P then possibly P", you must also reject the claim that "if necessarily P then P". Proof: suppose we reject truth implies possibility (that is, we reject that for every formula P, if P then possibly P). Then for some formula A, we have A and not-possibly A. Not-possibly A is equivalent to necessarily-not-A. So we have A and necessarily-not-A, meaning the necessity of not-A doesn't imply the actual truth of not-A.



          However formally within modal logic itself, you can mess around with axioms and frame conditions in whatever way you want. Rejecting "if P then possibly P" amounts to rejecting reflexivity as a frame condition. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility_relation for more about frame conditions and their corresponding axioms. (EDIT: Frame conditions tell us what worlds we "see" when evaluating possibly P and necessarily P at a world w. If at least one world that w "sees" satisfies P, then w satisfies possibly P. If every world w "sees" satisfies P, then w satisfies necessarily P. Reflexivity tells us that w always "sees" itself when evaluating statements of possibility and necessity. It may be that P is true in the actual world, but if we reject reflexivity then we're not looking at the actual world to determine the truth of possibly P! And maybe every other world we "see" indeed fails to satisfy P.)



          (Noah Schweber's comments below should be heeded as well. The box and diamond operators can be interpreted in different ways for different modalities!)






          share|improve this answer




















          • 1





            +1. For the OP, keep in mind that "should 'p is true' imply 'p is possible'?" is a very different question from "should 'p is true' imply '<>(p)'?" There are many ways to interpret the modality <> (and its dual, []) - 'is possible' is one, but others include 'is possibly true in the future' (and the present isn't the future!), 'is permitted' (and life isn't fair!), and 'is consistent' (and Godel's theorem makes this surprisingly subtle!). (contd)

            – Noah Schweber
            2 hours ago







          • 1





            This answer's second paragraph reflects this: modal logic isn't just about the modalities 'is possible'/'is necessary' (and for that matter, frames aren't the only way to provide semantics for modal logic, and often aren't even appropriate for a given task!). This is all an aside, since your question really does focus on possibility specifically, but it's a point worth mentioning given the "modal-logic" tag.

            – Noah Schweber
            2 hours ago













          2












          2








          2







          If we're talking about metaphysical possibility, then normally yes. If you reject the claim that "if P then possibly P", you must also reject the claim that "if necessarily P then P". Proof: suppose we reject truth implies possibility (that is, we reject that for every formula P, if P then possibly P). Then for some formula A, we have A and not-possibly A. Not-possibly A is equivalent to necessarily-not-A. So we have A and necessarily-not-A, meaning the necessity of not-A doesn't imply the actual truth of not-A.



          However formally within modal logic itself, you can mess around with axioms and frame conditions in whatever way you want. Rejecting "if P then possibly P" amounts to rejecting reflexivity as a frame condition. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility_relation for more about frame conditions and their corresponding axioms. (EDIT: Frame conditions tell us what worlds we "see" when evaluating possibly P and necessarily P at a world w. If at least one world that w "sees" satisfies P, then w satisfies possibly P. If every world w "sees" satisfies P, then w satisfies necessarily P. Reflexivity tells us that w always "sees" itself when evaluating statements of possibility and necessity. It may be that P is true in the actual world, but if we reject reflexivity then we're not looking at the actual world to determine the truth of possibly P! And maybe every other world we "see" indeed fails to satisfy P.)



          (Noah Schweber's comments below should be heeded as well. The box and diamond operators can be interpreted in different ways for different modalities!)






          share|improve this answer















          If we're talking about metaphysical possibility, then normally yes. If you reject the claim that "if P then possibly P", you must also reject the claim that "if necessarily P then P". Proof: suppose we reject truth implies possibility (that is, we reject that for every formula P, if P then possibly P). Then for some formula A, we have A and not-possibly A. Not-possibly A is equivalent to necessarily-not-A. So we have A and necessarily-not-A, meaning the necessity of not-A doesn't imply the actual truth of not-A.



          However formally within modal logic itself, you can mess around with axioms and frame conditions in whatever way you want. Rejecting "if P then possibly P" amounts to rejecting reflexivity as a frame condition. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility_relation for more about frame conditions and their corresponding axioms. (EDIT: Frame conditions tell us what worlds we "see" when evaluating possibly P and necessarily P at a world w. If at least one world that w "sees" satisfies P, then w satisfies possibly P. If every world w "sees" satisfies P, then w satisfies necessarily P. Reflexivity tells us that w always "sees" itself when evaluating statements of possibility and necessity. It may be that P is true in the actual world, but if we reject reflexivity then we're not looking at the actual world to determine the truth of possibly P! And maybe every other world we "see" indeed fails to satisfy P.)



          (Noah Schweber's comments below should be heeded as well. The box and diamond operators can be interpreted in different ways for different modalities!)







          share|improve this answer














          share|improve this answer



          share|improve this answer








          edited 1 hour ago

























          answered 2 hours ago









          AdamAdam

          682110




          682110







          • 1





            +1. For the OP, keep in mind that "should 'p is true' imply 'p is possible'?" is a very different question from "should 'p is true' imply '<>(p)'?" There are many ways to interpret the modality <> (and its dual, []) - 'is possible' is one, but others include 'is possibly true in the future' (and the present isn't the future!), 'is permitted' (and life isn't fair!), and 'is consistent' (and Godel's theorem makes this surprisingly subtle!). (contd)

            – Noah Schweber
            2 hours ago







          • 1





            This answer's second paragraph reflects this: modal logic isn't just about the modalities 'is possible'/'is necessary' (and for that matter, frames aren't the only way to provide semantics for modal logic, and often aren't even appropriate for a given task!). This is all an aside, since your question really does focus on possibility specifically, but it's a point worth mentioning given the "modal-logic" tag.

            – Noah Schweber
            2 hours ago












          • 1





            +1. For the OP, keep in mind that "should 'p is true' imply 'p is possible'?" is a very different question from "should 'p is true' imply '<>(p)'?" There are many ways to interpret the modality <> (and its dual, []) - 'is possible' is one, but others include 'is possibly true in the future' (and the present isn't the future!), 'is permitted' (and life isn't fair!), and 'is consistent' (and Godel's theorem makes this surprisingly subtle!). (contd)

            – Noah Schweber
            2 hours ago







          • 1





            This answer's second paragraph reflects this: modal logic isn't just about the modalities 'is possible'/'is necessary' (and for that matter, frames aren't the only way to provide semantics for modal logic, and often aren't even appropriate for a given task!). This is all an aside, since your question really does focus on possibility specifically, but it's a point worth mentioning given the "modal-logic" tag.

            – Noah Schweber
            2 hours ago







          1




          1





          +1. For the OP, keep in mind that "should 'p is true' imply 'p is possible'?" is a very different question from "should 'p is true' imply '<>(p)'?" There are many ways to interpret the modality <> (and its dual, []) - 'is possible' is one, but others include 'is possibly true in the future' (and the present isn't the future!), 'is permitted' (and life isn't fair!), and 'is consistent' (and Godel's theorem makes this surprisingly subtle!). (contd)

          – Noah Schweber
          2 hours ago






          +1. For the OP, keep in mind that "should 'p is true' imply 'p is possible'?" is a very different question from "should 'p is true' imply '<>(p)'?" There are many ways to interpret the modality <> (and its dual, []) - 'is possible' is one, but others include 'is possibly true in the future' (and the present isn't the future!), 'is permitted' (and life isn't fair!), and 'is consistent' (and Godel's theorem makes this surprisingly subtle!). (contd)

          – Noah Schweber
          2 hours ago





          1




          1





          This answer's second paragraph reflects this: modal logic isn't just about the modalities 'is possible'/'is necessary' (and for that matter, frames aren't the only way to provide semantics for modal logic, and often aren't even appropriate for a given task!). This is all an aside, since your question really does focus on possibility specifically, but it's a point worth mentioning given the "modal-logic" tag.

          – Noah Schweber
          2 hours ago





          This answer's second paragraph reflects this: modal logic isn't just about the modalities 'is possible'/'is necessary' (and for that matter, frames aren't the only way to provide semantics for modal logic, and often aren't even appropriate for a given task!). This is all an aside, since your question really does focus on possibility specifically, but it's a point worth mentioning given the "modal-logic" tag.

          – Noah Schweber
          2 hours ago











          1














          Obviously truth implies possibility. So let me make a case for truth not implying possibility.



          Let's start with an "applied logic" example. Suppose I'm trying to reason about the world using imperfect information (i.e. my senses and informal induction). At any given moment, I'll have some idea of what the world is, but that idea will probably be contradictory in subtle ways. For example, I may "accept" - for some meaning of the word - two physical theories which each work extremely well in their appropriate contexts but which as currently posed contradict each other (think about general relativity versus quantum mechanics). I believe each of a set of statements the conjunction of which is not possible. This is a situation in which I might want a formal system in which <> is interpreted as "is possible" but I don't have the rule "from p, infer <>p." And this issue also arises, with somewhat more urgency, in the context of artificial intelligence and more generally any situation where a machine is "making decisions" based on data about the world around it, and we're modeling that process (either in implementing it or in analyzing it after-the-fact) with a logical system.



          Of course, what's true and what's currently believed are different (duh!), and so this isn't really an example of the phenomenon you're interested in. But implicitly invoked in our bringing this up is the principle that there are no true contradictions, and this is not universally held; the rejection of this principle is called dialetheism.



          • And on the formal logic side, you may be interested in paraconsistent logic and relevant/relevance logic; note that this is very different from intuitionistic logic, which rejects the law of the excluded middle but nonetheless does not permit contradictons.

          Now we get into a very interesting mess: how should a dialetheist think of possibility? I don't know of anyone who's argued - within the dialetheist context - that possibility entails consistency, and hence that there are true impossible facts as well as true contradictions, but I can sort of see how an argument for this might go. Since I think producing "original research" here isn't really appropriate (you asked "is there any argument" not "can there be any argument," after all) I won't go into this, but I do think it's worth mentioning in this context: that dialetheism puts us in a situation where the question becomes at the very least not trivially trivial.






          share|improve this answer























          • Incidentally, this answer of mine may be of tangential interest.

            – Noah Schweber
            1 hour ago















          1














          Obviously truth implies possibility. So let me make a case for truth not implying possibility.



          Let's start with an "applied logic" example. Suppose I'm trying to reason about the world using imperfect information (i.e. my senses and informal induction). At any given moment, I'll have some idea of what the world is, but that idea will probably be contradictory in subtle ways. For example, I may "accept" - for some meaning of the word - two physical theories which each work extremely well in their appropriate contexts but which as currently posed contradict each other (think about general relativity versus quantum mechanics). I believe each of a set of statements the conjunction of which is not possible. This is a situation in which I might want a formal system in which <> is interpreted as "is possible" but I don't have the rule "from p, infer <>p." And this issue also arises, with somewhat more urgency, in the context of artificial intelligence and more generally any situation where a machine is "making decisions" based on data about the world around it, and we're modeling that process (either in implementing it or in analyzing it after-the-fact) with a logical system.



          Of course, what's true and what's currently believed are different (duh!), and so this isn't really an example of the phenomenon you're interested in. But implicitly invoked in our bringing this up is the principle that there are no true contradictions, and this is not universally held; the rejection of this principle is called dialetheism.



          • And on the formal logic side, you may be interested in paraconsistent logic and relevant/relevance logic; note that this is very different from intuitionistic logic, which rejects the law of the excluded middle but nonetheless does not permit contradictons.

          Now we get into a very interesting mess: how should a dialetheist think of possibility? I don't know of anyone who's argued - within the dialetheist context - that possibility entails consistency, and hence that there are true impossible facts as well as true contradictions, but I can sort of see how an argument for this might go. Since I think producing "original research" here isn't really appropriate (you asked "is there any argument" not "can there be any argument," after all) I won't go into this, but I do think it's worth mentioning in this context: that dialetheism puts us in a situation where the question becomes at the very least not trivially trivial.






          share|improve this answer























          • Incidentally, this answer of mine may be of tangential interest.

            – Noah Schweber
            1 hour ago













          1












          1








          1







          Obviously truth implies possibility. So let me make a case for truth not implying possibility.



          Let's start with an "applied logic" example. Suppose I'm trying to reason about the world using imperfect information (i.e. my senses and informal induction). At any given moment, I'll have some idea of what the world is, but that idea will probably be contradictory in subtle ways. For example, I may "accept" - for some meaning of the word - two physical theories which each work extremely well in their appropriate contexts but which as currently posed contradict each other (think about general relativity versus quantum mechanics). I believe each of a set of statements the conjunction of which is not possible. This is a situation in which I might want a formal system in which <> is interpreted as "is possible" but I don't have the rule "from p, infer <>p." And this issue also arises, with somewhat more urgency, in the context of artificial intelligence and more generally any situation where a machine is "making decisions" based on data about the world around it, and we're modeling that process (either in implementing it or in analyzing it after-the-fact) with a logical system.



          Of course, what's true and what's currently believed are different (duh!), and so this isn't really an example of the phenomenon you're interested in. But implicitly invoked in our bringing this up is the principle that there are no true contradictions, and this is not universally held; the rejection of this principle is called dialetheism.



          • And on the formal logic side, you may be interested in paraconsistent logic and relevant/relevance logic; note that this is very different from intuitionistic logic, which rejects the law of the excluded middle but nonetheless does not permit contradictons.

          Now we get into a very interesting mess: how should a dialetheist think of possibility? I don't know of anyone who's argued - within the dialetheist context - that possibility entails consistency, and hence that there are true impossible facts as well as true contradictions, but I can sort of see how an argument for this might go. Since I think producing "original research" here isn't really appropriate (you asked "is there any argument" not "can there be any argument," after all) I won't go into this, but I do think it's worth mentioning in this context: that dialetheism puts us in a situation where the question becomes at the very least not trivially trivial.






          share|improve this answer













          Obviously truth implies possibility. So let me make a case for truth not implying possibility.



          Let's start with an "applied logic" example. Suppose I'm trying to reason about the world using imperfect information (i.e. my senses and informal induction). At any given moment, I'll have some idea of what the world is, but that idea will probably be contradictory in subtle ways. For example, I may "accept" - for some meaning of the word - two physical theories which each work extremely well in their appropriate contexts but which as currently posed contradict each other (think about general relativity versus quantum mechanics). I believe each of a set of statements the conjunction of which is not possible. This is a situation in which I might want a formal system in which <> is interpreted as "is possible" but I don't have the rule "from p, infer <>p." And this issue also arises, with somewhat more urgency, in the context of artificial intelligence and more generally any situation where a machine is "making decisions" based on data about the world around it, and we're modeling that process (either in implementing it or in analyzing it after-the-fact) with a logical system.



          Of course, what's true and what's currently believed are different (duh!), and so this isn't really an example of the phenomenon you're interested in. But implicitly invoked in our bringing this up is the principle that there are no true contradictions, and this is not universally held; the rejection of this principle is called dialetheism.



          • And on the formal logic side, you may be interested in paraconsistent logic and relevant/relevance logic; note that this is very different from intuitionistic logic, which rejects the law of the excluded middle but nonetheless does not permit contradictons.

          Now we get into a very interesting mess: how should a dialetheist think of possibility? I don't know of anyone who's argued - within the dialetheist context - that possibility entails consistency, and hence that there are true impossible facts as well as true contradictions, but I can sort of see how an argument for this might go. Since I think producing "original research" here isn't really appropriate (you asked "is there any argument" not "can there be any argument," after all) I won't go into this, but I do think it's worth mentioning in this context: that dialetheism puts us in a situation where the question becomes at the very least not trivially trivial.







          share|improve this answer












          share|improve this answer



          share|improve this answer










          answered 1 hour ago









          Noah SchweberNoah Schweber

          26418




          26418












          • Incidentally, this answer of mine may be of tangential interest.

            – Noah Schweber
            1 hour ago

















          • Incidentally, this answer of mine may be of tangential interest.

            – Noah Schweber
            1 hour ago
















          Incidentally, this answer of mine may be of tangential interest.

          – Noah Schweber
          1 hour ago





          Incidentally, this answer of mine may be of tangential interest.

          – Noah Schweber
          1 hour ago

















          draft saved

          draft discarded
















































          Thanks for contributing an answer to Philosophy Stack Exchange!


          • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

          But avoid


          • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

          • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.

          To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




          draft saved


          draft discarded














          StackExchange.ready(
          function ()
          StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fphilosophy.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f61776%2fshould-truth-entail-possible-truth%23new-answer', 'question_page');

          );

          Post as a guest















          Required, but never shown





















































          Required, but never shown














          Required, but never shown












          Required, but never shown







          Required, but never shown

































          Required, but never shown














          Required, but never shown












          Required, but never shown







          Required, but never shown







          Popular posts from this blog

          Canceling a color specificationRandomly assigning color to Graphics3D objects?Default color for Filling in Mathematica 9Coloring specific elements of sets with a prime modified order in an array plotHow to pick a color differing significantly from the colors already in a given color list?Detection of the text colorColor numbers based on their valueCan color schemes for use with ColorData include opacity specification?My dynamic color schemes

          Invision Community Contents History See also References External links Navigation menuProprietaryinvisioncommunity.comIPS Community ForumsIPS Community Forumsthis blog entry"License Changes, IP.Board 3.4, and the Future""Interview -- Matt Mecham of Ibforums""CEO Invision Power Board, Matt Mecham Is a Liar, Thief!"IPB License Explanation 1.3, 1.3.1, 2.0, and 2.1ArchivedSecurity Fixes, Updates And Enhancements For IPB 1.3.1Archived"New Demo Accounts - Invision Power Services"the original"New Default Skin"the original"Invision Power Board 3.0.0 and Applications Released"the original"Archived copy"the original"Perpetual licenses being done away with""Release Notes - Invision Power Services""Introducing: IPS Community Suite 4!"Invision Community Release Notes

          199年 目錄 大件事 到箇年出世嗰人 到箇年死嗰人 節慶、風俗習慣 導覽選單