2 load centers under 1 meter: do you need bonding and main breakers at both?two load centers on one meterGrounding 200A Main Panel with Changes to Water & GasSurface Main Panel over Smaller Original Flush PanelRequesting Evaluation of Power Plan at Rural CabinAdding subpanel to transfer switch400 amp meter base comboGround wires: Do I have this right?200 Amp exterior meter and disconnect with interior main panel

How to improvise or make pot grip / pot handle

Why does PAUSE key have a long make code and no break code?

I won a car in a poker game. How is that taxed in Canada?

When calculating averages, why can we treat exploding die as if they're independent?

Can you pop microwave popcorn on a stove?

Is every sentence we write or utter either true or false?

How can I hint that my character isn't real?

Electric shock from pedals and guitar. Jacks too long?

How do you say "to hell with everything" in French?

How would two worlds first establish an exchange rate between their currencies

Was Robin Hood's point of view ethically sound?

Return only the number of paired values in array javascript

What is the delta-v required to get a mass in Earth orbit into the sun using a SINGLE transfer?

I need to know information from an old German birth certificate

Hidden fifths between tenor and soprano in Tchaikovsky's "Guide to harmony"

Colorize specific region in plane

What's the biggest difference between these two photos?

More than three domains hosted on the same IP address

How do we create our own symbolisms?

Explaining "向けてじゃないよ"

What can we do about our 9-month-old putting fingers down his throat?

Do you need to burn fuel between gravity assists?

Is future tense in English really a myth?

Complex conjugate and transpose "with respect to a basis"



2 load centers under 1 meter: do you need bonding and main breakers at both?


two load centers on one meterGrounding 200A Main Panel with Changes to Water & GasSurface Main Panel over Smaller Original Flush PanelRequesting Evaluation of Power Plan at Rural CabinAdding subpanel to transfer switch400 amp meter base comboGround wires: Do I have this right?200 Amp exterior meter and disconnect with interior main panel






.everyoneloves__top-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__mid-leaderboard:empty,.everyoneloves__bot-mid-leaderboard:empty margin-bottom:0;








1















Here's my layout as it stands:



meter
|
200A disconnect, neutral and ground bonded
|
|
|
mobile home main panel (200A main breaker, neutral and ground not bonded)


I would like to run another 100A panel outside, right next to the meter so that it runs like this:



meter -------- 100A Panel
|
200A disconnect
|
|
mobile home panel


My question is, do I need a main breaker for the 100A panel, and does the neutral need to be bonded with the ground?



I bought 1/0 wire to run from the meter to the new panel.



Edit: pictures of the current setup here with the new panel on the same pole https://imgur.com/a/eXDbVQ8










share|improve this question





















  • 1





    Is this 100A panel on the same pole/board as the meter and the 200A disconnect, or located remotely from it? Can you post photos of the meter and disconnect configuration?

    – ThreePhaseEel
    7 hours ago






  • 1





    Where will the overcurrent protection be which protects the wires between the meter and 100A panel? How about tapping the bottom of the 200A disconnect, and running 200A wire the short distance?

    – Harper
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    That would be "designing the system for everything working perfectly". You don't need circuit breakers at all for that. You need breaker protection upline of the panel in case anything goes wrong. Spaces are cheap, regrets are expensive, explosions are very expensive. So how about getting a 200A subpanel (main lug is fine) and tapping that as mentioned last comment. Fully protected and only a few bucks more (mainly, for the 3-lug Polaris connectors you'd need to split the 200A, but you'll need those with any scenario).

    – Harper
    6 hours ago







  • 2





    This is why we like to advise novices to buy wire as late as possible in the design-buy-educate-design-educate-buy cycle.

    – Harper
    5 hours ago







  • 1





    Also, what make and model is your new panel, and what do you intend to power from it?

    – ThreePhaseEel
    4 hours ago


















1















Here's my layout as it stands:



meter
|
200A disconnect, neutral and ground bonded
|
|
|
mobile home main panel (200A main breaker, neutral and ground not bonded)


I would like to run another 100A panel outside, right next to the meter so that it runs like this:



meter -------- 100A Panel
|
200A disconnect
|
|
mobile home panel


My question is, do I need a main breaker for the 100A panel, and does the neutral need to be bonded with the ground?



I bought 1/0 wire to run from the meter to the new panel.



Edit: pictures of the current setup here with the new panel on the same pole https://imgur.com/a/eXDbVQ8










share|improve this question





















  • 1





    Is this 100A panel on the same pole/board as the meter and the 200A disconnect, or located remotely from it? Can you post photos of the meter and disconnect configuration?

    – ThreePhaseEel
    7 hours ago






  • 1





    Where will the overcurrent protection be which protects the wires between the meter and 100A panel? How about tapping the bottom of the 200A disconnect, and running 200A wire the short distance?

    – Harper
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    That would be "designing the system for everything working perfectly". You don't need circuit breakers at all for that. You need breaker protection upline of the panel in case anything goes wrong. Spaces are cheap, regrets are expensive, explosions are very expensive. So how about getting a 200A subpanel (main lug is fine) and tapping that as mentioned last comment. Fully protected and only a few bucks more (mainly, for the 3-lug Polaris connectors you'd need to split the 200A, but you'll need those with any scenario).

    – Harper
    6 hours ago







  • 2





    This is why we like to advise novices to buy wire as late as possible in the design-buy-educate-design-educate-buy cycle.

    – Harper
    5 hours ago







  • 1





    Also, what make and model is your new panel, and what do you intend to power from it?

    – ThreePhaseEel
    4 hours ago














1












1








1








Here's my layout as it stands:



meter
|
200A disconnect, neutral and ground bonded
|
|
|
mobile home main panel (200A main breaker, neutral and ground not bonded)


I would like to run another 100A panel outside, right next to the meter so that it runs like this:



meter -------- 100A Panel
|
200A disconnect
|
|
mobile home panel


My question is, do I need a main breaker for the 100A panel, and does the neutral need to be bonded with the ground?



I bought 1/0 wire to run from the meter to the new panel.



Edit: pictures of the current setup here with the new panel on the same pole https://imgur.com/a/eXDbVQ8










share|improve this question
















Here's my layout as it stands:



meter
|
200A disconnect, neutral and ground bonded
|
|
|
mobile home main panel (200A main breaker, neutral and ground not bonded)


I would like to run another 100A panel outside, right next to the meter so that it runs like this:



meter -------- 100A Panel
|
200A disconnect
|
|
mobile home panel


My question is, do I need a main breaker for the 100A panel, and does the neutral need to be bonded with the ground?



I bought 1/0 wire to run from the meter to the new panel.



Edit: pictures of the current setup here with the new panel on the same pole https://imgur.com/a/eXDbVQ8







electrical-panel grounding-and-bonding






share|improve this question















share|improve this question













share|improve this question




share|improve this question








edited 6 hours ago







Krimo

















asked 8 hours ago









KrimoKrimo

1081 gold badge1 silver badge6 bronze badges




1081 gold badge1 silver badge6 bronze badges










  • 1





    Is this 100A panel on the same pole/board as the meter and the 200A disconnect, or located remotely from it? Can you post photos of the meter and disconnect configuration?

    – ThreePhaseEel
    7 hours ago






  • 1





    Where will the overcurrent protection be which protects the wires between the meter and 100A panel? How about tapping the bottom of the 200A disconnect, and running 200A wire the short distance?

    – Harper
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    That would be "designing the system for everything working perfectly". You don't need circuit breakers at all for that. You need breaker protection upline of the panel in case anything goes wrong. Spaces are cheap, regrets are expensive, explosions are very expensive. So how about getting a 200A subpanel (main lug is fine) and tapping that as mentioned last comment. Fully protected and only a few bucks more (mainly, for the 3-lug Polaris connectors you'd need to split the 200A, but you'll need those with any scenario).

    – Harper
    6 hours ago







  • 2





    This is why we like to advise novices to buy wire as late as possible in the design-buy-educate-design-educate-buy cycle.

    – Harper
    5 hours ago







  • 1





    Also, what make and model is your new panel, and what do you intend to power from it?

    – ThreePhaseEel
    4 hours ago













  • 1





    Is this 100A panel on the same pole/board as the meter and the 200A disconnect, or located remotely from it? Can you post photos of the meter and disconnect configuration?

    – ThreePhaseEel
    7 hours ago






  • 1





    Where will the overcurrent protection be which protects the wires between the meter and 100A panel? How about tapping the bottom of the 200A disconnect, and running 200A wire the short distance?

    – Harper
    6 hours ago






  • 1





    That would be "designing the system for everything working perfectly". You don't need circuit breakers at all for that. You need breaker protection upline of the panel in case anything goes wrong. Spaces are cheap, regrets are expensive, explosions are very expensive. So how about getting a 200A subpanel (main lug is fine) and tapping that as mentioned last comment. Fully protected and only a few bucks more (mainly, for the 3-lug Polaris connectors you'd need to split the 200A, but you'll need those with any scenario).

    – Harper
    6 hours ago







  • 2





    This is why we like to advise novices to buy wire as late as possible in the design-buy-educate-design-educate-buy cycle.

    – Harper
    5 hours ago







  • 1





    Also, what make and model is your new panel, and what do you intend to power from it?

    – ThreePhaseEel
    4 hours ago








1




1





Is this 100A panel on the same pole/board as the meter and the 200A disconnect, or located remotely from it? Can you post photos of the meter and disconnect configuration?

– ThreePhaseEel
7 hours ago





Is this 100A panel on the same pole/board as the meter and the 200A disconnect, or located remotely from it? Can you post photos of the meter and disconnect configuration?

– ThreePhaseEel
7 hours ago




1




1





Where will the overcurrent protection be which protects the wires between the meter and 100A panel? How about tapping the bottom of the 200A disconnect, and running 200A wire the short distance?

– Harper
6 hours ago





Where will the overcurrent protection be which protects the wires between the meter and 100A panel? How about tapping the bottom of the 200A disconnect, and running 200A wire the short distance?

– Harper
6 hours ago




1




1





That would be "designing the system for everything working perfectly". You don't need circuit breakers at all for that. You need breaker protection upline of the panel in case anything goes wrong. Spaces are cheap, regrets are expensive, explosions are very expensive. So how about getting a 200A subpanel (main lug is fine) and tapping that as mentioned last comment. Fully protected and only a few bucks more (mainly, for the 3-lug Polaris connectors you'd need to split the 200A, but you'll need those with any scenario).

– Harper
6 hours ago






That would be "designing the system for everything working perfectly". You don't need circuit breakers at all for that. You need breaker protection upline of the panel in case anything goes wrong. Spaces are cheap, regrets are expensive, explosions are very expensive. So how about getting a 200A subpanel (main lug is fine) and tapping that as mentioned last comment. Fully protected and only a few bucks more (mainly, for the 3-lug Polaris connectors you'd need to split the 200A, but you'll need those with any scenario).

– Harper
6 hours ago





2




2





This is why we like to advise novices to buy wire as late as possible in the design-buy-educate-design-educate-buy cycle.

– Harper
5 hours ago






This is why we like to advise novices to buy wire as late as possible in the design-buy-educate-design-educate-buy cycle.

– Harper
5 hours ago





1




1





Also, what make and model is your new panel, and what do you intend to power from it?

– ThreePhaseEel
4 hours ago






Also, what make and model is your new panel, and what do you intend to power from it?

– ThreePhaseEel
4 hours ago











2 Answers
2






active

oldest

votes


















2
















You can't double-tap a lug. You can buy "staircase" lugs that are 1-lug width but provide 2 lugs, but you can't torque one without removing the other. And they may not fit on your breaker. In that case, you'd use 3-lug Polaris connectors.



Regardless, these don't come in small-large-large, so you'll have enough for dual 200A connections.



Since you're stuck buying the lugs anyway, it's cost-neutral whether you tap the bottom or top of the main breaker (e.g. Service side or breaker-protected side). Tapping the service side is a) Very Super Mega Bad from a safety and Code POV, because it's sending power to the subpanel totally unfused, and even worse (if that's even possible) b) since the sub is main-lug, it has no protection whatsoever for the buses - another show-stopper. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, c) it will have worse issues with bending radius due to the smaller area there.



So "on the breaker-protected side" is the non-exploding answer.



Given that the cost of wire is not critical when only going a couple of feet, use wire rated for 200A, so the breaker protects this wire. (Failing to do so is a codevio).



As long as you tap the breakered side, and use 200A wire, the subpanel doesn't need a main breaker if it has 200A+ busing. Your baby panel doesn't, so it will need a 100A main breaker, plus likely another pair of 2-lug Polaris to step the 200A wire down to something that will fit on a 100A lug. Therefore, for this and so many other reasons, I recommend this baby panel go back to the store, and spend a few dollars more on a 200A-bused panel - main lug is fine.



Not least, you won't be back here going "My panel is full, what do I do now?" Spaces are cheap; regrets are expensive.



There's one other wrinkle.



Right now, all your service's wiring goes onto the mobile home via those wires. That qualifies you for an 83% friendly "De-rate" based on NEC 310.15(B)7, since NEC is basically calling this an extension of your service drop, and letting you use service-drop sized wires.



Once you split it to two different destinations, you lose your 310.15(B)7 discount. That means adding this subpanel may make your long-existing cabling to the RV too small.



First, check if that is so. If it is, this is where you'd want to throw yourself on the mercy of the local permitting authority, and ask them to "grandfather" it.



And if they won't, then you could pull the meter, replace that 200A main breaker box with a 200A main-breaker service panel (as small as you can get it), add a 150A? 175A? breaker feeding the mobile home on its existing wires. Then, this "main" panel will have gobs of extra spaces for whatever you're trying to do here.



Heck, a wise choice of panel might even make a generator interlock both feasible and affordable.






share|improve this answer


































    2
















    One bond. That's already in your meter/disconnect. Everything else is a subpanel, ground & neutral separated.



    Slightly debatable whether the main disconnect nearby trumps the "six motions of the hand" to shut everything off rule for this panel, sometimes interpreted as 6 breakers. Wait, you were planning to take off ahead of the main disconnect? No, don't do that...



    Me, I'd choose a panel with a main breaker and remove the bonding screw - they are often no more expensive than those without a main, and sometimes less expensive since they move in volume. And there's no debate...






    share|improve this answer



























    • Thank you for your answer. Is it any at all dangerous if I forego the 100A main breaker in the new panel? My understanding would be hot to hot, neutral to neutral, and a separate ground for the new panel. As long as I don't put more than 100A worth of breakers in the new panel, the new short wires would be safe?

      – Krimo
      6 hours ago













    Your Answer








    StackExchange.ready(function()
    var channelOptions =
    tags: "".split(" "),
    id: "73"
    ;
    initTagRenderer("".split(" "), "".split(" "), channelOptions);

    StackExchange.using("externalEditor", function()
    // Have to fire editor after snippets, if snippets enabled
    if (StackExchange.settings.snippets.snippetsEnabled)
    StackExchange.using("snippets", function()
    createEditor();
    );

    else
    createEditor();

    );

    function createEditor()
    StackExchange.prepareEditor(
    heartbeatType: 'answer',
    autoActivateHeartbeat: false,
    convertImagesToLinks: false,
    noModals: true,
    showLowRepImageUploadWarning: true,
    reputationToPostImages: null,
    bindNavPrevention: true,
    postfix: "",
    imageUploader:
    brandingHtml: "Powered by u003ca class="icon-imgur-white" href="https://imgur.com/"u003eu003c/au003e",
    contentPolicyHtml: "User contributions licensed under u003ca href="https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/"u003ecc by-sa 4.0 with attribution requiredu003c/au003e u003ca href="https://stackoverflow.com/legal/content-policy"u003e(content policy)u003c/au003e",
    allowUrls: true
    ,
    noCode: true, onDemand: true,
    discardSelector: ".discard-answer"
    ,immediatelyShowMarkdownHelp:true
    );



    );














    draft saved

    draft discarded
















    StackExchange.ready(
    function ()
    StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fdiy.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f172927%2f2-load-centers-under-1-meter-do-you-need-bonding-and-main-breakers-at-both%23new-answer', 'question_page');

    );

    Post as a guest















    Required, but never shown

























    2 Answers
    2






    active

    oldest

    votes








    2 Answers
    2






    active

    oldest

    votes









    active

    oldest

    votes






    active

    oldest

    votes









    2
















    You can't double-tap a lug. You can buy "staircase" lugs that are 1-lug width but provide 2 lugs, but you can't torque one without removing the other. And they may not fit on your breaker. In that case, you'd use 3-lug Polaris connectors.



    Regardless, these don't come in small-large-large, so you'll have enough for dual 200A connections.



    Since you're stuck buying the lugs anyway, it's cost-neutral whether you tap the bottom or top of the main breaker (e.g. Service side or breaker-protected side). Tapping the service side is a) Very Super Mega Bad from a safety and Code POV, because it's sending power to the subpanel totally unfused, and even worse (if that's even possible) b) since the sub is main-lug, it has no protection whatsoever for the buses - another show-stopper. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, c) it will have worse issues with bending radius due to the smaller area there.



    So "on the breaker-protected side" is the non-exploding answer.



    Given that the cost of wire is not critical when only going a couple of feet, use wire rated for 200A, so the breaker protects this wire. (Failing to do so is a codevio).



    As long as you tap the breakered side, and use 200A wire, the subpanel doesn't need a main breaker if it has 200A+ busing. Your baby panel doesn't, so it will need a 100A main breaker, plus likely another pair of 2-lug Polaris to step the 200A wire down to something that will fit on a 100A lug. Therefore, for this and so many other reasons, I recommend this baby panel go back to the store, and spend a few dollars more on a 200A-bused panel - main lug is fine.



    Not least, you won't be back here going "My panel is full, what do I do now?" Spaces are cheap; regrets are expensive.



    There's one other wrinkle.



    Right now, all your service's wiring goes onto the mobile home via those wires. That qualifies you for an 83% friendly "De-rate" based on NEC 310.15(B)7, since NEC is basically calling this an extension of your service drop, and letting you use service-drop sized wires.



    Once you split it to two different destinations, you lose your 310.15(B)7 discount. That means adding this subpanel may make your long-existing cabling to the RV too small.



    First, check if that is so. If it is, this is where you'd want to throw yourself on the mercy of the local permitting authority, and ask them to "grandfather" it.



    And if they won't, then you could pull the meter, replace that 200A main breaker box with a 200A main-breaker service panel (as small as you can get it), add a 150A? 175A? breaker feeding the mobile home on its existing wires. Then, this "main" panel will have gobs of extra spaces for whatever you're trying to do here.



    Heck, a wise choice of panel might even make a generator interlock both feasible and affordable.






    share|improve this answer































      2
















      You can't double-tap a lug. You can buy "staircase" lugs that are 1-lug width but provide 2 lugs, but you can't torque one without removing the other. And they may not fit on your breaker. In that case, you'd use 3-lug Polaris connectors.



      Regardless, these don't come in small-large-large, so you'll have enough for dual 200A connections.



      Since you're stuck buying the lugs anyway, it's cost-neutral whether you tap the bottom or top of the main breaker (e.g. Service side or breaker-protected side). Tapping the service side is a) Very Super Mega Bad from a safety and Code POV, because it's sending power to the subpanel totally unfused, and even worse (if that's even possible) b) since the sub is main-lug, it has no protection whatsoever for the buses - another show-stopper. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, c) it will have worse issues with bending radius due to the smaller area there.



      So "on the breaker-protected side" is the non-exploding answer.



      Given that the cost of wire is not critical when only going a couple of feet, use wire rated for 200A, so the breaker protects this wire. (Failing to do so is a codevio).



      As long as you tap the breakered side, and use 200A wire, the subpanel doesn't need a main breaker if it has 200A+ busing. Your baby panel doesn't, so it will need a 100A main breaker, plus likely another pair of 2-lug Polaris to step the 200A wire down to something that will fit on a 100A lug. Therefore, for this and so many other reasons, I recommend this baby panel go back to the store, and spend a few dollars more on a 200A-bused panel - main lug is fine.



      Not least, you won't be back here going "My panel is full, what do I do now?" Spaces are cheap; regrets are expensive.



      There's one other wrinkle.



      Right now, all your service's wiring goes onto the mobile home via those wires. That qualifies you for an 83% friendly "De-rate" based on NEC 310.15(B)7, since NEC is basically calling this an extension of your service drop, and letting you use service-drop sized wires.



      Once you split it to two different destinations, you lose your 310.15(B)7 discount. That means adding this subpanel may make your long-existing cabling to the RV too small.



      First, check if that is so. If it is, this is where you'd want to throw yourself on the mercy of the local permitting authority, and ask them to "grandfather" it.



      And if they won't, then you could pull the meter, replace that 200A main breaker box with a 200A main-breaker service panel (as small as you can get it), add a 150A? 175A? breaker feeding the mobile home on its existing wires. Then, this "main" panel will have gobs of extra spaces for whatever you're trying to do here.



      Heck, a wise choice of panel might even make a generator interlock both feasible and affordable.






      share|improve this answer





























        2














        2










        2









        You can't double-tap a lug. You can buy "staircase" lugs that are 1-lug width but provide 2 lugs, but you can't torque one without removing the other. And they may not fit on your breaker. In that case, you'd use 3-lug Polaris connectors.



        Regardless, these don't come in small-large-large, so you'll have enough for dual 200A connections.



        Since you're stuck buying the lugs anyway, it's cost-neutral whether you tap the bottom or top of the main breaker (e.g. Service side or breaker-protected side). Tapping the service side is a) Very Super Mega Bad from a safety and Code POV, because it's sending power to the subpanel totally unfused, and even worse (if that's even possible) b) since the sub is main-lug, it has no protection whatsoever for the buses - another show-stopper. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, c) it will have worse issues with bending radius due to the smaller area there.



        So "on the breaker-protected side" is the non-exploding answer.



        Given that the cost of wire is not critical when only going a couple of feet, use wire rated for 200A, so the breaker protects this wire. (Failing to do so is a codevio).



        As long as you tap the breakered side, and use 200A wire, the subpanel doesn't need a main breaker if it has 200A+ busing. Your baby panel doesn't, so it will need a 100A main breaker, plus likely another pair of 2-lug Polaris to step the 200A wire down to something that will fit on a 100A lug. Therefore, for this and so many other reasons, I recommend this baby panel go back to the store, and spend a few dollars more on a 200A-bused panel - main lug is fine.



        Not least, you won't be back here going "My panel is full, what do I do now?" Spaces are cheap; regrets are expensive.



        There's one other wrinkle.



        Right now, all your service's wiring goes onto the mobile home via those wires. That qualifies you for an 83% friendly "De-rate" based on NEC 310.15(B)7, since NEC is basically calling this an extension of your service drop, and letting you use service-drop sized wires.



        Once you split it to two different destinations, you lose your 310.15(B)7 discount. That means adding this subpanel may make your long-existing cabling to the RV too small.



        First, check if that is so. If it is, this is where you'd want to throw yourself on the mercy of the local permitting authority, and ask them to "grandfather" it.



        And if they won't, then you could pull the meter, replace that 200A main breaker box with a 200A main-breaker service panel (as small as you can get it), add a 150A? 175A? breaker feeding the mobile home on its existing wires. Then, this "main" panel will have gobs of extra spaces for whatever you're trying to do here.



        Heck, a wise choice of panel might even make a generator interlock both feasible and affordable.






        share|improve this answer















        You can't double-tap a lug. You can buy "staircase" lugs that are 1-lug width but provide 2 lugs, but you can't torque one without removing the other. And they may not fit on your breaker. In that case, you'd use 3-lug Polaris connectors.



        Regardless, these don't come in small-large-large, so you'll have enough for dual 200A connections.



        Since you're stuck buying the lugs anyway, it's cost-neutral whether you tap the bottom or top of the main breaker (e.g. Service side or breaker-protected side). Tapping the service side is a) Very Super Mega Bad from a safety and Code POV, because it's sending power to the subpanel totally unfused, and even worse (if that's even possible) b) since the sub is main-lug, it has no protection whatsoever for the buses - another show-stopper. Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, c) it will have worse issues with bending radius due to the smaller area there.



        So "on the breaker-protected side" is the non-exploding answer.



        Given that the cost of wire is not critical when only going a couple of feet, use wire rated for 200A, so the breaker protects this wire. (Failing to do so is a codevio).



        As long as you tap the breakered side, and use 200A wire, the subpanel doesn't need a main breaker if it has 200A+ busing. Your baby panel doesn't, so it will need a 100A main breaker, plus likely another pair of 2-lug Polaris to step the 200A wire down to something that will fit on a 100A lug. Therefore, for this and so many other reasons, I recommend this baby panel go back to the store, and spend a few dollars more on a 200A-bused panel - main lug is fine.



        Not least, you won't be back here going "My panel is full, what do I do now?" Spaces are cheap; regrets are expensive.



        There's one other wrinkle.



        Right now, all your service's wiring goes onto the mobile home via those wires. That qualifies you for an 83% friendly "De-rate" based on NEC 310.15(B)7, since NEC is basically calling this an extension of your service drop, and letting you use service-drop sized wires.



        Once you split it to two different destinations, you lose your 310.15(B)7 discount. That means adding this subpanel may make your long-existing cabling to the RV too small.



        First, check if that is so. If it is, this is where you'd want to throw yourself on the mercy of the local permitting authority, and ask them to "grandfather" it.



        And if they won't, then you could pull the meter, replace that 200A main breaker box with a 200A main-breaker service panel (as small as you can get it), add a 150A? 175A? breaker feeding the mobile home on its existing wires. Then, this "main" panel will have gobs of extra spaces for whatever you're trying to do here.



        Heck, a wise choice of panel might even make a generator interlock both feasible and affordable.







        share|improve this answer














        share|improve this answer



        share|improve this answer








        edited 5 hours ago

























        answered 5 hours ago









        HarperHarper

        95.9k7 gold badges71 silver badges199 bronze badges




        95.9k7 gold badges71 silver badges199 bronze badges


























            2
















            One bond. That's already in your meter/disconnect. Everything else is a subpanel, ground & neutral separated.



            Slightly debatable whether the main disconnect nearby trumps the "six motions of the hand" to shut everything off rule for this panel, sometimes interpreted as 6 breakers. Wait, you were planning to take off ahead of the main disconnect? No, don't do that...



            Me, I'd choose a panel with a main breaker and remove the bonding screw - they are often no more expensive than those without a main, and sometimes less expensive since they move in volume. And there's no debate...






            share|improve this answer



























            • Thank you for your answer. Is it any at all dangerous if I forego the 100A main breaker in the new panel? My understanding would be hot to hot, neutral to neutral, and a separate ground for the new panel. As long as I don't put more than 100A worth of breakers in the new panel, the new short wires would be safe?

              – Krimo
              6 hours ago















            2
















            One bond. That's already in your meter/disconnect. Everything else is a subpanel, ground & neutral separated.



            Slightly debatable whether the main disconnect nearby trumps the "six motions of the hand" to shut everything off rule for this panel, sometimes interpreted as 6 breakers. Wait, you were planning to take off ahead of the main disconnect? No, don't do that...



            Me, I'd choose a panel with a main breaker and remove the bonding screw - they are often no more expensive than those without a main, and sometimes less expensive since they move in volume. And there's no debate...






            share|improve this answer



























            • Thank you for your answer. Is it any at all dangerous if I forego the 100A main breaker in the new panel? My understanding would be hot to hot, neutral to neutral, and a separate ground for the new panel. As long as I don't put more than 100A worth of breakers in the new panel, the new short wires would be safe?

              – Krimo
              6 hours ago













            2














            2










            2









            One bond. That's already in your meter/disconnect. Everything else is a subpanel, ground & neutral separated.



            Slightly debatable whether the main disconnect nearby trumps the "six motions of the hand" to shut everything off rule for this panel, sometimes interpreted as 6 breakers. Wait, you were planning to take off ahead of the main disconnect? No, don't do that...



            Me, I'd choose a panel with a main breaker and remove the bonding screw - they are often no more expensive than those without a main, and sometimes less expensive since they move in volume. And there's no debate...






            share|improve this answer















            One bond. That's already in your meter/disconnect. Everything else is a subpanel, ground & neutral separated.



            Slightly debatable whether the main disconnect nearby trumps the "six motions of the hand" to shut everything off rule for this panel, sometimes interpreted as 6 breakers. Wait, you were planning to take off ahead of the main disconnect? No, don't do that...



            Me, I'd choose a panel with a main breaker and remove the bonding screw - they are often no more expensive than those without a main, and sometimes less expensive since they move in volume. And there's no debate...







            share|improve this answer














            share|improve this answer



            share|improve this answer








            edited 4 hours ago

























            answered 6 hours ago









            EcnerwalEcnerwal

            60.5k2 gold badges48 silver badges101 bronze badges




            60.5k2 gold badges48 silver badges101 bronze badges















            • Thank you for your answer. Is it any at all dangerous if I forego the 100A main breaker in the new panel? My understanding would be hot to hot, neutral to neutral, and a separate ground for the new panel. As long as I don't put more than 100A worth of breakers in the new panel, the new short wires would be safe?

              – Krimo
              6 hours ago

















            • Thank you for your answer. Is it any at all dangerous if I forego the 100A main breaker in the new panel? My understanding would be hot to hot, neutral to neutral, and a separate ground for the new panel. As long as I don't put more than 100A worth of breakers in the new panel, the new short wires would be safe?

              – Krimo
              6 hours ago
















            Thank you for your answer. Is it any at all dangerous if I forego the 100A main breaker in the new panel? My understanding would be hot to hot, neutral to neutral, and a separate ground for the new panel. As long as I don't put more than 100A worth of breakers in the new panel, the new short wires would be safe?

            – Krimo
            6 hours ago





            Thank you for your answer. Is it any at all dangerous if I forego the 100A main breaker in the new panel? My understanding would be hot to hot, neutral to neutral, and a separate ground for the new panel. As long as I don't put more than 100A worth of breakers in the new panel, the new short wires would be safe?

            – Krimo
            6 hours ago


















            draft saved

            draft discarded















































            Thanks for contributing an answer to Home Improvement Stack Exchange!


            • Please be sure to answer the question. Provide details and share your research!

            But avoid


            • Asking for help, clarification, or responding to other answers.

            • Making statements based on opinion; back them up with references or personal experience.

            To learn more, see our tips on writing great answers.




            draft saved


            draft discarded














            StackExchange.ready(
            function ()
            StackExchange.openid.initPostLogin('.new-post-login', 'https%3a%2f%2fdiy.stackexchange.com%2fquestions%2f172927%2f2-load-centers-under-1-meter-do-you-need-bonding-and-main-breakers-at-both%23new-answer', 'question_page');

            );

            Post as a guest















            Required, but never shown





















































            Required, but never shown














            Required, but never shown












            Required, but never shown







            Required, but never shown

































            Required, but never shown














            Required, but never shown












            Required, but never shown







            Required, but never shown







            Popular posts from this blog

            Invision Community Contents History See also References External links Navigation menuProprietaryinvisioncommunity.comIPS Community ForumsIPS Community Forumsthis blog entry"License Changes, IP.Board 3.4, and the Future""Interview -- Matt Mecham of Ibforums""CEO Invision Power Board, Matt Mecham Is a Liar, Thief!"IPB License Explanation 1.3, 1.3.1, 2.0, and 2.1ArchivedSecurity Fixes, Updates And Enhancements For IPB 1.3.1Archived"New Demo Accounts - Invision Power Services"the original"New Default Skin"the original"Invision Power Board 3.0.0 and Applications Released"the original"Archived copy"the original"Perpetual licenses being done away with""Release Notes - Invision Power Services""Introducing: IPS Community Suite 4!"Invision Community Release Notes

            Canceling a color specificationRandomly assigning color to Graphics3D objects?Default color for Filling in Mathematica 9Coloring specific elements of sets with a prime modified order in an array plotHow to pick a color differing significantly from the colors already in a given color list?Detection of the text colorColor numbers based on their valueCan color schemes for use with ColorData include opacity specification?My dynamic color schemes

            Ласкавець круглолистий Зміст Опис | Поширення | Галерея | Примітки | Посилання | Навігаційне меню58171138361-22960890446Bupleurum rotundifoliumEuro+Med PlantbasePlants of the World Online — Kew ScienceGermplasm Resources Information Network (GRIN)Ласкавецькн. VI : Літери Ком — Левиправивши або дописавши її