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Is TA-ing worth the opportunity cost?
Is it worth it to add substitute teacher work in a CV?Do European PhD programs offer the opportunity to take on teaching assistantship duties?Is a MOOC “degree” worth putting on your resume?How can I encourage students to ask questions in classHow does closing down a department affect a PhD student?How to mention non-academic projects/experiences in a PhD application?Cost/benefit of interim professorshipIs worth accepting to review manuscripts in low quality journalsHow related should be the postdoc subject to my PhD topic?What is the definition of guest lecturer? Is it worth putting on CV?
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(ETA: Assuming you already have funding) is TA-ing worth the opportunity cost of doing more research?
What are the relevant considerations?
I've always heard that focusing on research is a better use of time for boosting one's CV for applying for (ETAx3: competitive, research-focused) faculty positions, and that they really don't care very much about teaching experience. But recently, I've heard a lot of people saying the opposite.
I'm sure it depends on the field somewhat.
I'm in machine learning, some characteristics of the field which seem relevant are:
- It is fast-paced and highly collaborative.
- Professors often act more as project managers and don't do as much research.
- Successful grad students often publish several papers a year.
ETA (x2): I'm specifically curious about how it looks on a CV, not about other benefits (e.g. learning useful skills)
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(ETA: Assuming you already have funding) is TA-ing worth the opportunity cost of doing more research?
What are the relevant considerations?
I've always heard that focusing on research is a better use of time for boosting one's CV for applying for (ETAx3: competitive, research-focused) faculty positions, and that they really don't care very much about teaching experience. But recently, I've heard a lot of people saying the opposite.
I'm sure it depends on the field somewhat.
I'm in machine learning, some characteristics of the field which seem relevant are:
- It is fast-paced and highly collaborative.
- Professors often act more as project managers and don't do as much research.
- Successful grad students often publish several papers a year.
ETA (x2): I'm specifically curious about how it looks on a CV, not about other benefits (e.g. learning useful skills)
teaching cv faculty-application teaching-assistant
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There is no such thing as 'faculty positions' in general - U. Michigan and Alma College will look for different things on a CV.
– Alexander Woo
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(ETA: Assuming you already have funding) is TA-ing worth the opportunity cost of doing more research?
What are the relevant considerations?
I've always heard that focusing on research is a better use of time for boosting one's CV for applying for (ETAx3: competitive, research-focused) faculty positions, and that they really don't care very much about teaching experience. But recently, I've heard a lot of people saying the opposite.
I'm sure it depends on the field somewhat.
I'm in machine learning, some characteristics of the field which seem relevant are:
- It is fast-paced and highly collaborative.
- Professors often act more as project managers and don't do as much research.
- Successful grad students often publish several papers a year.
ETA (x2): I'm specifically curious about how it looks on a CV, not about other benefits (e.g. learning useful skills)
teaching cv faculty-application teaching-assistant
(ETA: Assuming you already have funding) is TA-ing worth the opportunity cost of doing more research?
What are the relevant considerations?
I've always heard that focusing on research is a better use of time for boosting one's CV for applying for (ETAx3: competitive, research-focused) faculty positions, and that they really don't care very much about teaching experience. But recently, I've heard a lot of people saying the opposite.
I'm sure it depends on the field somewhat.
I'm in machine learning, some characteristics of the field which seem relevant are:
- It is fast-paced and highly collaborative.
- Professors often act more as project managers and don't do as much research.
- Successful grad students often publish several papers a year.
ETA (x2): I'm specifically curious about how it looks on a CV, not about other benefits (e.g. learning useful skills)
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teaching cv faculty-application teaching-assistant
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There is no such thing as 'faculty positions' in general - U. Michigan and Alma College will look for different things on a CV.
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There is no such thing as 'faculty positions' in general - U. Michigan and Alma College will look for different things on a CV.
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Most people who TA don't have an option as it is what pays the bills and allows them to study. It is less valuable if you can pay your own way.
But it isn't entirely without value. I once held a full fellowship for study (multi year), but it still required that I spend one of those years doing the equivalent of a TA. The feeling was that it is valuable experience for any academic, even at an R1 university. And, FWIW, I actually made more progress after the fellowship ended and I was a "lowly" TA.
But not everyone winds up at an R1 and elsewhere, teaching is more highly valued. And a variety of skills on a CV is, IMO, an advantage, though others may disagree.
Additionally, having something to do other than your research is a useful way to let your mind rest and integrate ideas, which is a key part of learning. And a variety of experiences can be valuable in keeping yourself flexible for the future. And "more" research doesn't necessarily equate to "better" research.
Most doctoral students get along quite well having some duties, such as a TA position, in addition to their research.
But whether it is worth the opportunity cost or not is a completely personal thing. Maybe yes, maybe no. Think about your own needs and resources.
2
And when this comes up I always feel like mentioning Feynman's own experience, where he found teaching was an essential part of his mental balance and he'd expect to burn out and get no research done if that was all he had on his plate.
– zibadawa timmy
8 hours ago
Meeting the variety of students is also an inspiration - some make the day, and teaching experience, so worthwhile...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
I think that whether you find instructional duties relaxing or draining depends both on your personality and the duties.
– Elizabeth Henning
8 hours ago
@ElizabethHenning So if you can’t do then teach, if you can’t teach then instruct teachers, if you can’t instruct then become an inspector and if you can’t inspect then become a politician...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
1
@SolarMike and it hasn't gotten better or more insightful over the years.
– Buffy
7 hours ago
|
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Absolutely yes. If you have teaching experience on your CV, you can claim that you're good at presenting, you know how to mentor juniors, you have worked with people from other cultures, you are able to work in groups towards a common goal (if you didn't teach alone, which you probably don't as a TA), you know how to manage disputes, and so on. Plus you probably get a lot of examples that you can use to illustrate your skills in an interview.
Of course it's possible the job you're going into don't care about these things, but I can practically guarantee that if you ever need to apply for an industrial job, these things will matter.
For these reasons I'd have TA'ed for free even if my department didn't pay me.
add a comment |
Being a TA during a PhD is not beneficial. The downsides are:
- A longer PhD at low pay
- Reduced research output
The advantages are:
- Building teaching experience. However, since almost everyone has it, TA experience is not meaningful on the job market. You need to have experience teaching entire courses to be competitive.
- You will learn to teach better. However, most universities are not bothering to properly train their TAs. Investigate what training opportunities your university has.
- You might enjoy it.
My overall advice would be to seek out opportunities to teach an entire course instead of being TA.
Now, if you have the opportunity to be a TA before you get your PhD, that might help you get into a better PhD program. This could be a much better deal.
Actually, some folks with the TA title do actually teach their own courses. I did. Sometimes you work a more traditional role until you get the experience and they can trust you with a course. But the pay is still low in that situation. But my experience was that higher paid jobs weren't open to students.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
2
since almost everyone has it ... in which case, if you don't have it, it becomes an active disadvantage.
– Allure
1 hour ago
Why would a department let a student just teach a course without first seeing what they can do as a TA?
– Ink blot
15 mins ago
add a comment |
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Most people who TA don't have an option as it is what pays the bills and allows them to study. It is less valuable if you can pay your own way.
But it isn't entirely without value. I once held a full fellowship for study (multi year), but it still required that I spend one of those years doing the equivalent of a TA. The feeling was that it is valuable experience for any academic, even at an R1 university. And, FWIW, I actually made more progress after the fellowship ended and I was a "lowly" TA.
But not everyone winds up at an R1 and elsewhere, teaching is more highly valued. And a variety of skills on a CV is, IMO, an advantage, though others may disagree.
Additionally, having something to do other than your research is a useful way to let your mind rest and integrate ideas, which is a key part of learning. And a variety of experiences can be valuable in keeping yourself flexible for the future. And "more" research doesn't necessarily equate to "better" research.
Most doctoral students get along quite well having some duties, such as a TA position, in addition to their research.
But whether it is worth the opportunity cost or not is a completely personal thing. Maybe yes, maybe no. Think about your own needs and resources.
2
And when this comes up I always feel like mentioning Feynman's own experience, where he found teaching was an essential part of his mental balance and he'd expect to burn out and get no research done if that was all he had on his plate.
– zibadawa timmy
8 hours ago
Meeting the variety of students is also an inspiration - some make the day, and teaching experience, so worthwhile...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
I think that whether you find instructional duties relaxing or draining depends both on your personality and the duties.
– Elizabeth Henning
8 hours ago
@ElizabethHenning So if you can’t do then teach, if you can’t teach then instruct teachers, if you can’t instruct then become an inspector and if you can’t inspect then become a politician...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
1
@SolarMike and it hasn't gotten better or more insightful over the years.
– Buffy
7 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
Most people who TA don't have an option as it is what pays the bills and allows them to study. It is less valuable if you can pay your own way.
But it isn't entirely without value. I once held a full fellowship for study (multi year), but it still required that I spend one of those years doing the equivalent of a TA. The feeling was that it is valuable experience for any academic, even at an R1 university. And, FWIW, I actually made more progress after the fellowship ended and I was a "lowly" TA.
But not everyone winds up at an R1 and elsewhere, teaching is more highly valued. And a variety of skills on a CV is, IMO, an advantage, though others may disagree.
Additionally, having something to do other than your research is a useful way to let your mind rest and integrate ideas, which is a key part of learning. And a variety of experiences can be valuable in keeping yourself flexible for the future. And "more" research doesn't necessarily equate to "better" research.
Most doctoral students get along quite well having some duties, such as a TA position, in addition to their research.
But whether it is worth the opportunity cost or not is a completely personal thing. Maybe yes, maybe no. Think about your own needs and resources.
2
And when this comes up I always feel like mentioning Feynman's own experience, where he found teaching was an essential part of his mental balance and he'd expect to burn out and get no research done if that was all he had on his plate.
– zibadawa timmy
8 hours ago
Meeting the variety of students is also an inspiration - some make the day, and teaching experience, so worthwhile...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
I think that whether you find instructional duties relaxing or draining depends both on your personality and the duties.
– Elizabeth Henning
8 hours ago
@ElizabethHenning So if you can’t do then teach, if you can’t teach then instruct teachers, if you can’t instruct then become an inspector and if you can’t inspect then become a politician...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
1
@SolarMike and it hasn't gotten better or more insightful over the years.
– Buffy
7 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
Most people who TA don't have an option as it is what pays the bills and allows them to study. It is less valuable if you can pay your own way.
But it isn't entirely without value. I once held a full fellowship for study (multi year), but it still required that I spend one of those years doing the equivalent of a TA. The feeling was that it is valuable experience for any academic, even at an R1 university. And, FWIW, I actually made more progress after the fellowship ended and I was a "lowly" TA.
But not everyone winds up at an R1 and elsewhere, teaching is more highly valued. And a variety of skills on a CV is, IMO, an advantage, though others may disagree.
Additionally, having something to do other than your research is a useful way to let your mind rest and integrate ideas, which is a key part of learning. And a variety of experiences can be valuable in keeping yourself flexible for the future. And "more" research doesn't necessarily equate to "better" research.
Most doctoral students get along quite well having some duties, such as a TA position, in addition to their research.
But whether it is worth the opportunity cost or not is a completely personal thing. Maybe yes, maybe no. Think about your own needs and resources.
Most people who TA don't have an option as it is what pays the bills and allows them to study. It is less valuable if you can pay your own way.
But it isn't entirely without value. I once held a full fellowship for study (multi year), but it still required that I spend one of those years doing the equivalent of a TA. The feeling was that it is valuable experience for any academic, even at an R1 university. And, FWIW, I actually made more progress after the fellowship ended and I was a "lowly" TA.
But not everyone winds up at an R1 and elsewhere, teaching is more highly valued. And a variety of skills on a CV is, IMO, an advantage, though others may disagree.
Additionally, having something to do other than your research is a useful way to let your mind rest and integrate ideas, which is a key part of learning. And a variety of experiences can be valuable in keeping yourself flexible for the future. And "more" research doesn't necessarily equate to "better" research.
Most doctoral students get along quite well having some duties, such as a TA position, in addition to their research.
But whether it is worth the opportunity cost or not is a completely personal thing. Maybe yes, maybe no. Think about your own needs and resources.
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And when this comes up I always feel like mentioning Feynman's own experience, where he found teaching was an essential part of his mental balance and he'd expect to burn out and get no research done if that was all he had on his plate.
– zibadawa timmy
8 hours ago
Meeting the variety of students is also an inspiration - some make the day, and teaching experience, so worthwhile...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
I think that whether you find instructional duties relaxing or draining depends both on your personality and the duties.
– Elizabeth Henning
8 hours ago
@ElizabethHenning So if you can’t do then teach, if you can’t teach then instruct teachers, if you can’t instruct then become an inspector and if you can’t inspect then become a politician...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
1
@SolarMike and it hasn't gotten better or more insightful over the years.
– Buffy
7 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
2
And when this comes up I always feel like mentioning Feynman's own experience, where he found teaching was an essential part of his mental balance and he'd expect to burn out and get no research done if that was all he had on his plate.
– zibadawa timmy
8 hours ago
Meeting the variety of students is also an inspiration - some make the day, and teaching experience, so worthwhile...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
I think that whether you find instructional duties relaxing or draining depends both on your personality and the duties.
– Elizabeth Henning
8 hours ago
@ElizabethHenning So if you can’t do then teach, if you can’t teach then instruct teachers, if you can’t instruct then become an inspector and if you can’t inspect then become a politician...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
1
@SolarMike and it hasn't gotten better or more insightful over the years.
– Buffy
7 hours ago
2
2
And when this comes up I always feel like mentioning Feynman's own experience, where he found teaching was an essential part of his mental balance and he'd expect to burn out and get no research done if that was all he had on his plate.
– zibadawa timmy
8 hours ago
And when this comes up I always feel like mentioning Feynman's own experience, where he found teaching was an essential part of his mental balance and he'd expect to burn out and get no research done if that was all he had on his plate.
– zibadawa timmy
8 hours ago
Meeting the variety of students is also an inspiration - some make the day, and teaching experience, so worthwhile...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
Meeting the variety of students is also an inspiration - some make the day, and teaching experience, so worthwhile...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
I think that whether you find instructional duties relaxing or draining depends both on your personality and the duties.
– Elizabeth Henning
8 hours ago
I think that whether you find instructional duties relaxing or draining depends both on your personality and the duties.
– Elizabeth Henning
8 hours ago
@ElizabethHenning So if you can’t do then teach, if you can’t teach then instruct teachers, if you can’t instruct then become an inspector and if you can’t inspect then become a politician...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
@ElizabethHenning So if you can’t do then teach, if you can’t teach then instruct teachers, if you can’t instruct then become an inspector and if you can’t inspect then become a politician...
– Solar Mike
8 hours ago
1
1
@SolarMike and it hasn't gotten better or more insightful over the years.
– Buffy
7 hours ago
@SolarMike and it hasn't gotten better or more insightful over the years.
– Buffy
7 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
Absolutely yes. If you have teaching experience on your CV, you can claim that you're good at presenting, you know how to mentor juniors, you have worked with people from other cultures, you are able to work in groups towards a common goal (if you didn't teach alone, which you probably don't as a TA), you know how to manage disputes, and so on. Plus you probably get a lot of examples that you can use to illustrate your skills in an interview.
Of course it's possible the job you're going into don't care about these things, but I can practically guarantee that if you ever need to apply for an industrial job, these things will matter.
For these reasons I'd have TA'ed for free even if my department didn't pay me.
add a comment |
Absolutely yes. If you have teaching experience on your CV, you can claim that you're good at presenting, you know how to mentor juniors, you have worked with people from other cultures, you are able to work in groups towards a common goal (if you didn't teach alone, which you probably don't as a TA), you know how to manage disputes, and so on. Plus you probably get a lot of examples that you can use to illustrate your skills in an interview.
Of course it's possible the job you're going into don't care about these things, but I can practically guarantee that if you ever need to apply for an industrial job, these things will matter.
For these reasons I'd have TA'ed for free even if my department didn't pay me.
add a comment |
Absolutely yes. If you have teaching experience on your CV, you can claim that you're good at presenting, you know how to mentor juniors, you have worked with people from other cultures, you are able to work in groups towards a common goal (if you didn't teach alone, which you probably don't as a TA), you know how to manage disputes, and so on. Plus you probably get a lot of examples that you can use to illustrate your skills in an interview.
Of course it's possible the job you're going into don't care about these things, but I can practically guarantee that if you ever need to apply for an industrial job, these things will matter.
For these reasons I'd have TA'ed for free even if my department didn't pay me.
Absolutely yes. If you have teaching experience on your CV, you can claim that you're good at presenting, you know how to mentor juniors, you have worked with people from other cultures, you are able to work in groups towards a common goal (if you didn't teach alone, which you probably don't as a TA), you know how to manage disputes, and so on. Plus you probably get a lot of examples that you can use to illustrate your skills in an interview.
Of course it's possible the job you're going into don't care about these things, but I can practically guarantee that if you ever need to apply for an industrial job, these things will matter.
For these reasons I'd have TA'ed for free even if my department didn't pay me.
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Being a TA during a PhD is not beneficial. The downsides are:
- A longer PhD at low pay
- Reduced research output
The advantages are:
- Building teaching experience. However, since almost everyone has it, TA experience is not meaningful on the job market. You need to have experience teaching entire courses to be competitive.
- You will learn to teach better. However, most universities are not bothering to properly train their TAs. Investigate what training opportunities your university has.
- You might enjoy it.
My overall advice would be to seek out opportunities to teach an entire course instead of being TA.
Now, if you have the opportunity to be a TA before you get your PhD, that might help you get into a better PhD program. This could be a much better deal.
Actually, some folks with the TA title do actually teach their own courses. I did. Sometimes you work a more traditional role until you get the experience and they can trust you with a course. But the pay is still low in that situation. But my experience was that higher paid jobs weren't open to students.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
2
since almost everyone has it ... in which case, if you don't have it, it becomes an active disadvantage.
– Allure
1 hour ago
Why would a department let a student just teach a course without first seeing what they can do as a TA?
– Ink blot
15 mins ago
add a comment |
Being a TA during a PhD is not beneficial. The downsides are:
- A longer PhD at low pay
- Reduced research output
The advantages are:
- Building teaching experience. However, since almost everyone has it, TA experience is not meaningful on the job market. You need to have experience teaching entire courses to be competitive.
- You will learn to teach better. However, most universities are not bothering to properly train their TAs. Investigate what training opportunities your university has.
- You might enjoy it.
My overall advice would be to seek out opportunities to teach an entire course instead of being TA.
Now, if you have the opportunity to be a TA before you get your PhD, that might help you get into a better PhD program. This could be a much better deal.
Actually, some folks with the TA title do actually teach their own courses. I did. Sometimes you work a more traditional role until you get the experience and they can trust you with a course. But the pay is still low in that situation. But my experience was that higher paid jobs weren't open to students.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
2
since almost everyone has it ... in which case, if you don't have it, it becomes an active disadvantage.
– Allure
1 hour ago
Why would a department let a student just teach a course without first seeing what they can do as a TA?
– Ink blot
15 mins ago
add a comment |
Being a TA during a PhD is not beneficial. The downsides are:
- A longer PhD at low pay
- Reduced research output
The advantages are:
- Building teaching experience. However, since almost everyone has it, TA experience is not meaningful on the job market. You need to have experience teaching entire courses to be competitive.
- You will learn to teach better. However, most universities are not bothering to properly train their TAs. Investigate what training opportunities your university has.
- You might enjoy it.
My overall advice would be to seek out opportunities to teach an entire course instead of being TA.
Now, if you have the opportunity to be a TA before you get your PhD, that might help you get into a better PhD program. This could be a much better deal.
Being a TA during a PhD is not beneficial. The downsides are:
- A longer PhD at low pay
- Reduced research output
The advantages are:
- Building teaching experience. However, since almost everyone has it, TA experience is not meaningful on the job market. You need to have experience teaching entire courses to be competitive.
- You will learn to teach better. However, most universities are not bothering to properly train their TAs. Investigate what training opportunities your university has.
- You might enjoy it.
My overall advice would be to seek out opportunities to teach an entire course instead of being TA.
Now, if you have the opportunity to be a TA before you get your PhD, that might help you get into a better PhD program. This could be a much better deal.
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Actually, some folks with the TA title do actually teach their own courses. I did. Sometimes you work a more traditional role until you get the experience and they can trust you with a course. But the pay is still low in that situation. But my experience was that higher paid jobs weren't open to students.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
2
since almost everyone has it ... in which case, if you don't have it, it becomes an active disadvantage.
– Allure
1 hour ago
Why would a department let a student just teach a course without first seeing what they can do as a TA?
– Ink blot
15 mins ago
add a comment |
Actually, some folks with the TA title do actually teach their own courses. I did. Sometimes you work a more traditional role until you get the experience and they can trust you with a course. But the pay is still low in that situation. But my experience was that higher paid jobs weren't open to students.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
2
since almost everyone has it ... in which case, if you don't have it, it becomes an active disadvantage.
– Allure
1 hour ago
Why would a department let a student just teach a course without first seeing what they can do as a TA?
– Ink blot
15 mins ago
Actually, some folks with the TA title do actually teach their own courses. I did. Sometimes you work a more traditional role until you get the experience and they can trust you with a course. But the pay is still low in that situation. But my experience was that higher paid jobs weren't open to students.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
Actually, some folks with the TA title do actually teach their own courses. I did. Sometimes you work a more traditional role until you get the experience and they can trust you with a course. But the pay is still low in that situation. But my experience was that higher paid jobs weren't open to students.
– Buffy
6 hours ago
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since almost everyone has it ... in which case, if you don't have it, it becomes an active disadvantage.
– Allure
1 hour ago
since almost everyone has it ... in which case, if you don't have it, it becomes an active disadvantage.
– Allure
1 hour ago
Why would a department let a student just teach a course without first seeing what they can do as a TA?
– Ink blot
15 mins ago
Why would a department let a student just teach a course without first seeing what they can do as a TA?
– Ink blot
15 mins ago
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There is no such thing as 'faculty positions' in general - U. Michigan and Alma College will look for different things on a CV.
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