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Pitch and Volume Compensations for Different Instruments
How do I improve vibrato and breath volume in singing?Toneholes on different instrumentsMore volume from a Bass ClarinetIs it bad to play wind instruments with clean teeth?Inhaling for a good breath support, through the mouth or the nose?Wind instruments and sharp keysIn professional orchestras will principal woodwind players ever double instruments?Woodwind & String InstrumentsWhich wind instruments do not change pitch when blown harder?Disinfecting woodwind instruments
I'm curious if various instruments require that the player compensate in any way (in terms of technique, e.g., force used to bow, force used to blow, or embouchure alterations) when playing low vs. high notes.
On a violin or cello, say, if you use the identical bowing for a low-pitched note vs. a high-pitched note, will one note tend to sound louder than the other or will they both be the same volume? Are string players taught to, say, dig in a little more to make a low-pitched or high-pitched note project relative to the other?
On a clarinet or saxophone, if the exact same embouchure and breath pressure is used on a low-pitched note and a high-pitched note, will they sound at the same volume? (Also, will the upper note tend to be a bit flat or sharp?)
My experience, on the oboe, is that if the exact same breath pressure and embouchure are used on a low note versus a high note, the higher note will tend to be flat and to be the quieter of the two notes. I'm guessing that double reeds have special characteristics that contribute to this phenomena.
As I try and understand the situation better, I thought it might be useful to know if other instruments also require techniques to compensate for volume characteristics that are dependent upon the pitch of the note being played.
technique instruments woodwinds breathing violin-family
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I'm curious if various instruments require that the player compensate in any way (in terms of technique, e.g., force used to bow, force used to blow, or embouchure alterations) when playing low vs. high notes.
On a violin or cello, say, if you use the identical bowing for a low-pitched note vs. a high-pitched note, will one note tend to sound louder than the other or will they both be the same volume? Are string players taught to, say, dig in a little more to make a low-pitched or high-pitched note project relative to the other?
On a clarinet or saxophone, if the exact same embouchure and breath pressure is used on a low-pitched note and a high-pitched note, will they sound at the same volume? (Also, will the upper note tend to be a bit flat or sharp?)
My experience, on the oboe, is that if the exact same breath pressure and embouchure are used on a low note versus a high note, the higher note will tend to be flat and to be the quieter of the two notes. I'm guessing that double reeds have special characteristics that contribute to this phenomena.
As I try and understand the situation better, I thought it might be useful to know if other instruments also require techniques to compensate for volume characteristics that are dependent upon the pitch of the note being played.
technique instruments woodwinds breathing violin-family
Every instrument has a unique and specific dynamic curve.
– jjmusicnotes
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I'm curious if various instruments require that the player compensate in any way (in terms of technique, e.g., force used to bow, force used to blow, or embouchure alterations) when playing low vs. high notes.
On a violin or cello, say, if you use the identical bowing for a low-pitched note vs. a high-pitched note, will one note tend to sound louder than the other or will they both be the same volume? Are string players taught to, say, dig in a little more to make a low-pitched or high-pitched note project relative to the other?
On a clarinet or saxophone, if the exact same embouchure and breath pressure is used on a low-pitched note and a high-pitched note, will they sound at the same volume? (Also, will the upper note tend to be a bit flat or sharp?)
My experience, on the oboe, is that if the exact same breath pressure and embouchure are used on a low note versus a high note, the higher note will tend to be flat and to be the quieter of the two notes. I'm guessing that double reeds have special characteristics that contribute to this phenomena.
As I try and understand the situation better, I thought it might be useful to know if other instruments also require techniques to compensate for volume characteristics that are dependent upon the pitch of the note being played.
technique instruments woodwinds breathing violin-family
I'm curious if various instruments require that the player compensate in any way (in terms of technique, e.g., force used to bow, force used to blow, or embouchure alterations) when playing low vs. high notes.
On a violin or cello, say, if you use the identical bowing for a low-pitched note vs. a high-pitched note, will one note tend to sound louder than the other or will they both be the same volume? Are string players taught to, say, dig in a little more to make a low-pitched or high-pitched note project relative to the other?
On a clarinet or saxophone, if the exact same embouchure and breath pressure is used on a low-pitched note and a high-pitched note, will they sound at the same volume? (Also, will the upper note tend to be a bit flat or sharp?)
My experience, on the oboe, is that if the exact same breath pressure and embouchure are used on a low note versus a high note, the higher note will tend to be flat and to be the quieter of the two notes. I'm guessing that double reeds have special characteristics that contribute to this phenomena.
As I try and understand the situation better, I thought it might be useful to know if other instruments also require techniques to compensate for volume characteristics that are dependent upon the pitch of the note being played.
technique instruments woodwinds breathing violin-family
technique instruments woodwinds breathing violin-family
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Every instrument has a unique and specific dynamic curve.
– jjmusicnotes
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Every instrument has a unique and specific dynamic curve.
– jjmusicnotes
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Every instrument has a unique and specific dynamic curve.
– jjmusicnotes
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Every instrument has a unique and specific dynamic curve.
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As a brass instrumentalist, I can only speak for that family of instruments.
But the difference required to play in extreme registers is often explained with a simple sentence:
Low notes require more air, high notes require faster air.
And a simple experiment proves this: have a tuba player play, say, a middle C at a forte dynamic level and see how long they can hold it. You'd be amazed at how quickly they need to take a breath when they play that C three (or even just two) octaves lower.
Thanks! I am taking "faster" air to mean air being squeezed to a higher pressure level. Air inside our body waiting to go through a mouth piece is mostly standing still. Quibble on my part. Interesting about the volume of air being so different. I wonder why?
– Phil Freihofner
6 hours ago
Since the bore size is unchanging, "more air" and "faster air" are synonymous. Those terms are useful in pedagogy but don't have much physical meaning.
– MattPutnam
3 hours ago
The author clearly is using the terms "more air" and "faster air" to refer to different things. I am wondering the difference in the volume of air that is expended may be a side effect of the embouchure needed to get the lips vibrating at the desired rate, or if there is some aspect of a low note that requires more air.
– Phil Freihofner
9 mins ago
add a comment |
Physics tells us that higher pitches have more energy. So if we apply the same amount of energy--bow pressure and speed for strings, air for winds--then low notes will naturally be louder.
However, this is pure physics. It's not a huge effect, and the technique involved in playing the actual instrument completely overshadows it. It's most visible on piano, harp, and pitched percussion instruments, since exactly the same technique is used to play across the whole range of the instrument.
With wind instruments, and especially brass instruments, the need to use more air to support higher notes generally means that it's easier to play high notes louder. Players work to be able to play any note at any dynamic, but there's always a point above which you can only play notes loudly.
On a violin or cello, say, if you use the identical bowing for a low-pitched note vs a high-pitched note, will one note tend to sound louder than the other or will they both be the same volume?
The low note will be louder. But there's so much that goes into bowing that I doubt experienced string players think about it at all.
Are string players taught to, say, dig in a little more to make a low-pitched or high-pitched note project relative to the other?
I don't think this is something that has to be explicitly taught. It's just something that will be accounted for in the listening/playing feedback loop. If anything, I suspect that you think about it the other way--not letting low notes "honk" compared to higher notes.
On a clarinet or saxophone, if the exact same embouchure and breath pressure is used on a low-pitched note and a high-pitched note, will they sound at the same volume? (Also, will the upper note tend to be a bit flat or sharp?)
The embouchure has to change a bit to support the pitch. If you try to play a high note with the embouchure for a low note, it will come out flat, and may squeak. So when you do a leap from a low note to a high note, you make a bunch of small adjustments, and one of those is applying a bit more air to support, and that negates the physics effect.
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Been playing saxophone for 10+ years
The lower notes natrually get louder, and the higher notes tend to get quieter. For lower notes we relax the jaw a bit. Higher notes I'll just be mindful of the tendency and play out a bit more.
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As a brass instrumentalist, I can only speak for that family of instruments.
But the difference required to play in extreme registers is often explained with a simple sentence:
Low notes require more air, high notes require faster air.
And a simple experiment proves this: have a tuba player play, say, a middle C at a forte dynamic level and see how long they can hold it. You'd be amazed at how quickly they need to take a breath when they play that C three (or even just two) octaves lower.
Thanks! I am taking "faster" air to mean air being squeezed to a higher pressure level. Air inside our body waiting to go through a mouth piece is mostly standing still. Quibble on my part. Interesting about the volume of air being so different. I wonder why?
– Phil Freihofner
6 hours ago
Since the bore size is unchanging, "more air" and "faster air" are synonymous. Those terms are useful in pedagogy but don't have much physical meaning.
– MattPutnam
3 hours ago
The author clearly is using the terms "more air" and "faster air" to refer to different things. I am wondering the difference in the volume of air that is expended may be a side effect of the embouchure needed to get the lips vibrating at the desired rate, or if there is some aspect of a low note that requires more air.
– Phil Freihofner
9 mins ago
add a comment |
As a brass instrumentalist, I can only speak for that family of instruments.
But the difference required to play in extreme registers is often explained with a simple sentence:
Low notes require more air, high notes require faster air.
And a simple experiment proves this: have a tuba player play, say, a middle C at a forte dynamic level and see how long they can hold it. You'd be amazed at how quickly they need to take a breath when they play that C three (or even just two) octaves lower.
Thanks! I am taking "faster" air to mean air being squeezed to a higher pressure level. Air inside our body waiting to go through a mouth piece is mostly standing still. Quibble on my part. Interesting about the volume of air being so different. I wonder why?
– Phil Freihofner
6 hours ago
Since the bore size is unchanging, "more air" and "faster air" are synonymous. Those terms are useful in pedagogy but don't have much physical meaning.
– MattPutnam
3 hours ago
The author clearly is using the terms "more air" and "faster air" to refer to different things. I am wondering the difference in the volume of air that is expended may be a side effect of the embouchure needed to get the lips vibrating at the desired rate, or if there is some aspect of a low note that requires more air.
– Phil Freihofner
9 mins ago
add a comment |
As a brass instrumentalist, I can only speak for that family of instruments.
But the difference required to play in extreme registers is often explained with a simple sentence:
Low notes require more air, high notes require faster air.
And a simple experiment proves this: have a tuba player play, say, a middle C at a forte dynamic level and see how long they can hold it. You'd be amazed at how quickly they need to take a breath when they play that C three (or even just two) octaves lower.
As a brass instrumentalist, I can only speak for that family of instruments.
But the difference required to play in extreme registers is often explained with a simple sentence:
Low notes require more air, high notes require faster air.
And a simple experiment proves this: have a tuba player play, say, a middle C at a forte dynamic level and see how long they can hold it. You'd be amazed at how quickly they need to take a breath when they play that C three (or even just two) octaves lower.
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Thanks! I am taking "faster" air to mean air being squeezed to a higher pressure level. Air inside our body waiting to go through a mouth piece is mostly standing still. Quibble on my part. Interesting about the volume of air being so different. I wonder why?
– Phil Freihofner
6 hours ago
Since the bore size is unchanging, "more air" and "faster air" are synonymous. Those terms are useful in pedagogy but don't have much physical meaning.
– MattPutnam
3 hours ago
The author clearly is using the terms "more air" and "faster air" to refer to different things. I am wondering the difference in the volume of air that is expended may be a side effect of the embouchure needed to get the lips vibrating at the desired rate, or if there is some aspect of a low note that requires more air.
– Phil Freihofner
9 mins ago
add a comment |
Thanks! I am taking "faster" air to mean air being squeezed to a higher pressure level. Air inside our body waiting to go through a mouth piece is mostly standing still. Quibble on my part. Interesting about the volume of air being so different. I wonder why?
– Phil Freihofner
6 hours ago
Since the bore size is unchanging, "more air" and "faster air" are synonymous. Those terms are useful in pedagogy but don't have much physical meaning.
– MattPutnam
3 hours ago
The author clearly is using the terms "more air" and "faster air" to refer to different things. I am wondering the difference in the volume of air that is expended may be a side effect of the embouchure needed to get the lips vibrating at the desired rate, or if there is some aspect of a low note that requires more air.
– Phil Freihofner
9 mins ago
Thanks! I am taking "faster" air to mean air being squeezed to a higher pressure level. Air inside our body waiting to go through a mouth piece is mostly standing still. Quibble on my part. Interesting about the volume of air being so different. I wonder why?
– Phil Freihofner
6 hours ago
Thanks! I am taking "faster" air to mean air being squeezed to a higher pressure level. Air inside our body waiting to go through a mouth piece is mostly standing still. Quibble on my part. Interesting about the volume of air being so different. I wonder why?
– Phil Freihofner
6 hours ago
Since the bore size is unchanging, "more air" and "faster air" are synonymous. Those terms are useful in pedagogy but don't have much physical meaning.
– MattPutnam
3 hours ago
Since the bore size is unchanging, "more air" and "faster air" are synonymous. Those terms are useful in pedagogy but don't have much physical meaning.
– MattPutnam
3 hours ago
The author clearly is using the terms "more air" and "faster air" to refer to different things. I am wondering the difference in the volume of air that is expended may be a side effect of the embouchure needed to get the lips vibrating at the desired rate, or if there is some aspect of a low note that requires more air.
– Phil Freihofner
9 mins ago
The author clearly is using the terms "more air" and "faster air" to refer to different things. I am wondering the difference in the volume of air that is expended may be a side effect of the embouchure needed to get the lips vibrating at the desired rate, or if there is some aspect of a low note that requires more air.
– Phil Freihofner
9 mins ago
add a comment |
Physics tells us that higher pitches have more energy. So if we apply the same amount of energy--bow pressure and speed for strings, air for winds--then low notes will naturally be louder.
However, this is pure physics. It's not a huge effect, and the technique involved in playing the actual instrument completely overshadows it. It's most visible on piano, harp, and pitched percussion instruments, since exactly the same technique is used to play across the whole range of the instrument.
With wind instruments, and especially brass instruments, the need to use more air to support higher notes generally means that it's easier to play high notes louder. Players work to be able to play any note at any dynamic, but there's always a point above which you can only play notes loudly.
On a violin or cello, say, if you use the identical bowing for a low-pitched note vs a high-pitched note, will one note tend to sound louder than the other or will they both be the same volume?
The low note will be louder. But there's so much that goes into bowing that I doubt experienced string players think about it at all.
Are string players taught to, say, dig in a little more to make a low-pitched or high-pitched note project relative to the other?
I don't think this is something that has to be explicitly taught. It's just something that will be accounted for in the listening/playing feedback loop. If anything, I suspect that you think about it the other way--not letting low notes "honk" compared to higher notes.
On a clarinet or saxophone, if the exact same embouchure and breath pressure is used on a low-pitched note and a high-pitched note, will they sound at the same volume? (Also, will the upper note tend to be a bit flat or sharp?)
The embouchure has to change a bit to support the pitch. If you try to play a high note with the embouchure for a low note, it will come out flat, and may squeak. So when you do a leap from a low note to a high note, you make a bunch of small adjustments, and one of those is applying a bit more air to support, and that negates the physics effect.
add a comment |
Physics tells us that higher pitches have more energy. So if we apply the same amount of energy--bow pressure and speed for strings, air for winds--then low notes will naturally be louder.
However, this is pure physics. It's not a huge effect, and the technique involved in playing the actual instrument completely overshadows it. It's most visible on piano, harp, and pitched percussion instruments, since exactly the same technique is used to play across the whole range of the instrument.
With wind instruments, and especially brass instruments, the need to use more air to support higher notes generally means that it's easier to play high notes louder. Players work to be able to play any note at any dynamic, but there's always a point above which you can only play notes loudly.
On a violin or cello, say, if you use the identical bowing for a low-pitched note vs a high-pitched note, will one note tend to sound louder than the other or will they both be the same volume?
The low note will be louder. But there's so much that goes into bowing that I doubt experienced string players think about it at all.
Are string players taught to, say, dig in a little more to make a low-pitched or high-pitched note project relative to the other?
I don't think this is something that has to be explicitly taught. It's just something that will be accounted for in the listening/playing feedback loop. If anything, I suspect that you think about it the other way--not letting low notes "honk" compared to higher notes.
On a clarinet or saxophone, if the exact same embouchure and breath pressure is used on a low-pitched note and a high-pitched note, will they sound at the same volume? (Also, will the upper note tend to be a bit flat or sharp?)
The embouchure has to change a bit to support the pitch. If you try to play a high note with the embouchure for a low note, it will come out flat, and may squeak. So when you do a leap from a low note to a high note, you make a bunch of small adjustments, and one of those is applying a bit more air to support, and that negates the physics effect.
add a comment |
Physics tells us that higher pitches have more energy. So if we apply the same amount of energy--bow pressure and speed for strings, air for winds--then low notes will naturally be louder.
However, this is pure physics. It's not a huge effect, and the technique involved in playing the actual instrument completely overshadows it. It's most visible on piano, harp, and pitched percussion instruments, since exactly the same technique is used to play across the whole range of the instrument.
With wind instruments, and especially brass instruments, the need to use more air to support higher notes generally means that it's easier to play high notes louder. Players work to be able to play any note at any dynamic, but there's always a point above which you can only play notes loudly.
On a violin or cello, say, if you use the identical bowing for a low-pitched note vs a high-pitched note, will one note tend to sound louder than the other or will they both be the same volume?
The low note will be louder. But there's so much that goes into bowing that I doubt experienced string players think about it at all.
Are string players taught to, say, dig in a little more to make a low-pitched or high-pitched note project relative to the other?
I don't think this is something that has to be explicitly taught. It's just something that will be accounted for in the listening/playing feedback loop. If anything, I suspect that you think about it the other way--not letting low notes "honk" compared to higher notes.
On a clarinet or saxophone, if the exact same embouchure and breath pressure is used on a low-pitched note and a high-pitched note, will they sound at the same volume? (Also, will the upper note tend to be a bit flat or sharp?)
The embouchure has to change a bit to support the pitch. If you try to play a high note with the embouchure for a low note, it will come out flat, and may squeak. So when you do a leap from a low note to a high note, you make a bunch of small adjustments, and one of those is applying a bit more air to support, and that negates the physics effect.
Physics tells us that higher pitches have more energy. So if we apply the same amount of energy--bow pressure and speed for strings, air for winds--then low notes will naturally be louder.
However, this is pure physics. It's not a huge effect, and the technique involved in playing the actual instrument completely overshadows it. It's most visible on piano, harp, and pitched percussion instruments, since exactly the same technique is used to play across the whole range of the instrument.
With wind instruments, and especially brass instruments, the need to use more air to support higher notes generally means that it's easier to play high notes louder. Players work to be able to play any note at any dynamic, but there's always a point above which you can only play notes loudly.
On a violin or cello, say, if you use the identical bowing for a low-pitched note vs a high-pitched note, will one note tend to sound louder than the other or will they both be the same volume?
The low note will be louder. But there's so much that goes into bowing that I doubt experienced string players think about it at all.
Are string players taught to, say, dig in a little more to make a low-pitched or high-pitched note project relative to the other?
I don't think this is something that has to be explicitly taught. It's just something that will be accounted for in the listening/playing feedback loop. If anything, I suspect that you think about it the other way--not letting low notes "honk" compared to higher notes.
On a clarinet or saxophone, if the exact same embouchure and breath pressure is used on a low-pitched note and a high-pitched note, will they sound at the same volume? (Also, will the upper note tend to be a bit flat or sharp?)
The embouchure has to change a bit to support the pitch. If you try to play a high note with the embouchure for a low note, it will come out flat, and may squeak. So when you do a leap from a low note to a high note, you make a bunch of small adjustments, and one of those is applying a bit more air to support, and that negates the physics effect.
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Been playing saxophone for 10+ years
The lower notes natrually get louder, and the higher notes tend to get quieter. For lower notes we relax the jaw a bit. Higher notes I'll just be mindful of the tendency and play out a bit more.
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Been playing saxophone for 10+ years
The lower notes natrually get louder, and the higher notes tend to get quieter. For lower notes we relax the jaw a bit. Higher notes I'll just be mindful of the tendency and play out a bit more.
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Been playing saxophone for 10+ years
The lower notes natrually get louder, and the higher notes tend to get quieter. For lower notes we relax the jaw a bit. Higher notes I'll just be mindful of the tendency and play out a bit more.
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Been playing saxophone for 10+ years
The lower notes natrually get louder, and the higher notes tend to get quieter. For lower notes we relax the jaw a bit. Higher notes I'll just be mindful of the tendency and play out a bit more.
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Every instrument has a unique and specific dynamic curve.
– jjmusicnotes
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