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How could a medieval fortress manage large groups of migrants and travelers?
How large can a medieval Empire conceivably get and still be considered a single political entity?How could a monarch rule in a vast, isolated, medieval cityHow large could a modern state get?How do underground civilizations effectively manage waste sanitation?Dimensions of a large medieval cityWhat would the government of a medieval city-state be and how many people would be running it?How large is this city and its army?Convincing a large medieval city of an incoming catastropheHow could a medieval society catch a large number of birds in a short length of time?Could a medieval fantasy world sustain itself by occupying important trade hubs and taxing trade?
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The Red Keep was built thousands of years ago to defend against the invading hordes. The Red Keep itself is a fortress, the main wall of which blocks off the main pass through the mountains.
Over the years the threats of the hordes have diminished and migrants from their homelands have begun trying to get into the valley permanently instead of as raiders like their ancestors. Initially the lords of the keep fought off these migrants, but one ambitious lord saw easy money through processing these migrant groups and "employing" them as mercenary bands to defend the keep from enemies within the valley.
The Red Keep has been transformed from a simple keep into a large city that's filled with thousands of permanent residents and thousands more going to and from the keep into the valley or the horde lands.
How could the lords of the Red Keep properly process such large numbers of people?
Note: they do not have access to the printing press.
Technology is the Medieval High period
medieval government cities
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The Red Keep was built thousands of years ago to defend against the invading hordes. The Red Keep itself is a fortress, the main wall of which blocks off the main pass through the mountains.
Over the years the threats of the hordes have diminished and migrants from their homelands have begun trying to get into the valley permanently instead of as raiders like their ancestors. Initially the lords of the keep fought off these migrants, but one ambitious lord saw easy money through processing these migrant groups and "employing" them as mercenary bands to defend the keep from enemies within the valley.
The Red Keep has been transformed from a simple keep into a large city that's filled with thousands of permanent residents and thousands more going to and from the keep into the valley or the horde lands.
How could the lords of the Red Keep properly process such large numbers of people?
Note: they do not have access to the printing press.
Technology is the Medieval High period
medieval government cities
edited 4 hours ago
Cyn
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"transformed from a simple keep into a large city" - traditionally, cities were built around the castles. Do you want the entire city fit inside the old castle walls?
$endgroup$
– Alexander
8 hours ago
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@Alexander yes and no. The old castle walls have been turned into a over crowded city while outside on both ends of the wall are large tent city's and a few ramshackle houses
$endgroup$
– Celestial Dragon Emperor
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Any sensible ruler would instantly behead the "clever" lord for treason, right after the "peaceful" migrants took over the keep and opened it for the horde, as blood is thicker than water. Putting this aside, what kind of "processing" do you wish to do exactly?
$endgroup$
– Lupus
8 hours ago
5
$begingroup$
Old castles usually have a small footprint, there is no room for a city. You may convert army barracks and stables into housing, but the conditions would be squalid, and neither the lord, nor his retainers would like to live in a castle like that. You may want to have only the "processing center" in the castle, with the real city outside.
$endgroup$
– Alexander
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Alexander Nor the migrants, as with a nearby forest (even if restricted by law), they would poach enough tree to build simple homes for themselves... or with stones or caves in the mountains. But since it is a valley, forest is more reasonable. I've a hard to imagining they are allowed to migrate there at all, not mentioning the large numbers.
$endgroup$
– Lupus
8 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
$begingroup$
The Red Keep was built thousands of years ago to defend against the invading hordes. The Red Keep itself is a fortress, the main wall of which blocks off the main pass through the mountains.
Over the years the threats of the hordes have diminished and migrants from their homelands have begun trying to get into the valley permanently instead of as raiders like their ancestors. Initially the lords of the keep fought off these migrants, but one ambitious lord saw easy money through processing these migrant groups and "employing" them as mercenary bands to defend the keep from enemies within the valley.
The Red Keep has been transformed from a simple keep into a large city that's filled with thousands of permanent residents and thousands more going to and from the keep into the valley or the horde lands.
How could the lords of the Red Keep properly process such large numbers of people?
Note: they do not have access to the printing press.
Technology is the Medieval High period
medieval government cities
edited 4 hours ago
Cyn
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asked 8 hours ago
Celestial Dragon EmperorCelestial Dragon Emperor
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$endgroup$
The Red Keep was built thousands of years ago to defend against the invading hordes. The Red Keep itself is a fortress, the main wall of which blocks off the main pass through the mountains.
Over the years the threats of the hordes have diminished and migrants from their homelands have begun trying to get into the valley permanently instead of as raiders like their ancestors. Initially the lords of the keep fought off these migrants, but one ambitious lord saw easy money through processing these migrant groups and "employing" them as mercenary bands to defend the keep from enemies within the valley.
The Red Keep has been transformed from a simple keep into a large city that's filled with thousands of permanent residents and thousands more going to and from the keep into the valley or the horde lands.
How could the lords of the Red Keep properly process such large numbers of people?
Note: they do not have access to the printing press.
Technology is the Medieval High period
medieval government cities
medieval government cities
edited 4 hours ago
Cyn
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asked 8 hours ago
Celestial Dragon EmperorCelestial Dragon Emperor
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edited 4 hours ago
Cyn
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asked 8 hours ago
Celestial Dragon EmperorCelestial Dragon Emperor
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edited 4 hours ago
Cyn
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edited 4 hours ago
Cyn
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edited 4 hours ago
Cyn
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asked 8 hours ago
Celestial Dragon EmperorCelestial Dragon Emperor
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$begingroup$
"transformed from a simple keep into a large city" - traditionally, cities were built around the castles. Do you want the entire city fit inside the old castle walls?
$endgroup$
– Alexander
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Alexander yes and no. The old castle walls have been turned into a over crowded city while outside on both ends of the wall are large tent city's and a few ramshackle houses
$endgroup$
– Celestial Dragon Emperor
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Any sensible ruler would instantly behead the "clever" lord for treason, right after the "peaceful" migrants took over the keep and opened it for the horde, as blood is thicker than water. Putting this aside, what kind of "processing" do you wish to do exactly?
$endgroup$
– Lupus
8 hours ago
5
$begingroup$
Old castles usually have a small footprint, there is no room for a city. You may convert army barracks and stables into housing, but the conditions would be squalid, and neither the lord, nor his retainers would like to live in a castle like that. You may want to have only the "processing center" in the castle, with the real city outside.
$endgroup$
– Alexander
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Alexander Nor the migrants, as with a nearby forest (even if restricted by law), they would poach enough tree to build simple homes for themselves... or with stones or caves in the mountains. But since it is a valley, forest is more reasonable. I've a hard to imagining they are allowed to migrate there at all, not mentioning the large numbers.
$endgroup$
– Lupus
8 hours ago
|
show 2 more comments
5
$begingroup$
"transformed from a simple keep into a large city" - traditionally, cities were built around the castles. Do you want the entire city fit inside the old castle walls?
$endgroup$
– Alexander
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Alexander yes and no. The old castle walls have been turned into a over crowded city while outside on both ends of the wall are large tent city's and a few ramshackle houses
$endgroup$
– Celestial Dragon Emperor
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Any sensible ruler would instantly behead the "clever" lord for treason, right after the "peaceful" migrants took over the keep and opened it for the horde, as blood is thicker than water. Putting this aside, what kind of "processing" do you wish to do exactly?
$endgroup$
– Lupus
8 hours ago
5
$begingroup$
Old castles usually have a small footprint, there is no room for a city. You may convert army barracks and stables into housing, but the conditions would be squalid, and neither the lord, nor his retainers would like to live in a castle like that. You may want to have only the "processing center" in the castle, with the real city outside.
$endgroup$
– Alexander
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Alexander Nor the migrants, as with a nearby forest (even if restricted by law), they would poach enough tree to build simple homes for themselves... or with stones or caves in the mountains. But since it is a valley, forest is more reasonable. I've a hard to imagining they are allowed to migrate there at all, not mentioning the large numbers.
$endgroup$
– Lupus
8 hours ago
5
5
$begingroup$
"transformed from a simple keep into a large city" - traditionally, cities were built around the castles. Do you want the entire city fit inside the old castle walls?
$endgroup$
– Alexander
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
"transformed from a simple keep into a large city" - traditionally, cities were built around the castles. Do you want the entire city fit inside the old castle walls?
$endgroup$
– Alexander
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Alexander yes and no. The old castle walls have been turned into a over crowded city while outside on both ends of the wall are large tent city's and a few ramshackle houses
$endgroup$
– Celestial Dragon Emperor
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Alexander yes and no. The old castle walls have been turned into a over crowded city while outside on both ends of the wall are large tent city's and a few ramshackle houses
$endgroup$
– Celestial Dragon Emperor
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Any sensible ruler would instantly behead the "clever" lord for treason, right after the "peaceful" migrants took over the keep and opened it for the horde, as blood is thicker than water. Putting this aside, what kind of "processing" do you wish to do exactly?
$endgroup$
– Lupus
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Any sensible ruler would instantly behead the "clever" lord for treason, right after the "peaceful" migrants took over the keep and opened it for the horde, as blood is thicker than water. Putting this aside, what kind of "processing" do you wish to do exactly?
$endgroup$
– Lupus
8 hours ago
5
5
$begingroup$
Old castles usually have a small footprint, there is no room for a city. You may convert army barracks and stables into housing, but the conditions would be squalid, and neither the lord, nor his retainers would like to live in a castle like that. You may want to have only the "processing center" in the castle, with the real city outside.
$endgroup$
– Alexander
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
Old castles usually have a small footprint, there is no room for a city. You may convert army barracks and stables into housing, but the conditions would be squalid, and neither the lord, nor his retainers would like to live in a castle like that. You may want to have only the "processing center" in the castle, with the real city outside.
$endgroup$
– Alexander
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Alexander Nor the migrants, as with a nearby forest (even if restricted by law), they would poach enough tree to build simple homes for themselves... or with stones or caves in the mountains. But since it is a valley, forest is more reasonable. I've a hard to imagining they are allowed to migrate there at all, not mentioning the large numbers.
$endgroup$
– Lupus
8 hours ago
$begingroup$
@Alexander Nor the migrants, as with a nearby forest (even if restricted by law), they would poach enough tree to build simple homes for themselves... or with stones or caves in the mountains. But since it is a valley, forest is more reasonable. I've a hard to imagining they are allowed to migrate there at all, not mentioning the large numbers.
$endgroup$
– Lupus
8 hours ago
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Appointment of Vassals
One man can't manage thousands upon thousands of mercenaries. The lords will delegate command over a smaller piece to subordinates in exchange for lawful operation inside the keep, possibly land, and permission to keep a small cut of all mercenary contracts (part of which they need to hand up the chain of command).
(modern) Rule of thumb dictates that a superior can effectively manage 7 +/- 2 subordinates. Let's push this up to 10, because 10 is close to the upper limit, and makes dealing with our organization easier.
(1) High Lord of the Red Keep
(10) Lower Lords of the Red Keep
(100) Knights of the Red Keep
(1000) Appointed Mercenary Captains of the Red Keep
(10000) Mercenaries
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Establish a march, or several of them, out beyond the Red Keep and put the migrants there. Unless the valley has recently had a plague or something, it probably has about as many people as are needed to run it properly. Adding more will just lead to lots of unemployed, homeless people wandering around causing trouble and undermining your social system. If the hordes from beyond the pass want to settle down, they're going to have to find somewhere else to do it. Then they'll have to defend it, although for the hordes that should be no problem.
As a bonus, the more land the lord of the Red Keep can bring under his (or his subordinate lords') control, the more powerful he will grow - especially if the king is weak or foolish or has weak or foolish or easily bribed emissaries that allow this sort of thing to go on. On the downside, if the king isn't weak or foolish he's going to put his foot down right quick about any unauthorized colonization for that exact reason. Larger empires in history like the Roman Empire or various incarnations of the Persian Empire tended to be rife with provincial governors and the like trying to build up personal power, sometimes becoming more powerful than the emperors they notionally served, with the attendant intrigues and civil wars one would expect.
A related idea you could steal from the Romans is auxiliary service. The hordes from beyond the pass aren't citizens now, but if they serve the marcher lord long enough, they and their families can become citizens and maybe even earn the right to move into the valley if that's still a worthwhile prize.
answered 3 hours ago
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I'm thinking a almost Normandy kinda situation with one horde initially getting the march and now they feel obligated to protect it from other threats.
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The way it's always been done...
Multi-Level Marketing
Erm, I mean...
Appointment of Vassals
One man can't manage thousands upon thousands of mercenaries. The lords will delegate command over a smaller piece to subordinates in exchange for lawful operation inside the keep, possibly land, and permission to keep a small cut of all mercenary contracts (part of which they need to hand up the chain of command).
(modern) Rule of thumb dictates that a superior can effectively manage 7 +/- 2 subordinates. Let's push this up to 10, because 10 is close to the upper limit, and makes dealing with our organization easier.
(1) High Lord of the Red Keep
(10) Lower Lords of the Red Keep
(100) Knights of the Red Keep
(1000) Appointed Mercenary Captains of the Red Keep
(10000) Mercenaries
answered 7 hours ago
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$begingroup$
The way it's always been done...
Multi-Level Marketing
Erm, I mean...
Appointment of Vassals
One man can't manage thousands upon thousands of mercenaries. The lords will delegate command over a smaller piece to subordinates in exchange for lawful operation inside the keep, possibly land, and permission to keep a small cut of all mercenary contracts (part of which they need to hand up the chain of command).
(modern) Rule of thumb dictates that a superior can effectively manage 7 +/- 2 subordinates. Let's push this up to 10, because 10 is close to the upper limit, and makes dealing with our organization easier.
(1) High Lord of the Red Keep
(10) Lower Lords of the Red Keep
(100) Knights of the Red Keep
(1000) Appointed Mercenary Captains of the Red Keep
(10000) Mercenaries
answered 7 hours ago
Nex TerrenNex Terren
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$begingroup$
The way it's always been done...
Multi-Level Marketing
Erm, I mean...
Appointment of Vassals
One man can't manage thousands upon thousands of mercenaries. The lords will delegate command over a smaller piece to subordinates in exchange for lawful operation inside the keep, possibly land, and permission to keep a small cut of all mercenary contracts (part of which they need to hand up the chain of command).
(modern) Rule of thumb dictates that a superior can effectively manage 7 +/- 2 subordinates. Let's push this up to 10, because 10 is close to the upper limit, and makes dealing with our organization easier.
(1) High Lord of the Red Keep
(10) Lower Lords of the Red Keep
(100) Knights of the Red Keep
(1000) Appointed Mercenary Captains of the Red Keep
(10000) Mercenaries
answered 7 hours ago
Nex TerrenNex Terren
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$endgroup$
The way it's always been done...
Multi-Level Marketing
Erm, I mean...
Appointment of Vassals
One man can't manage thousands upon thousands of mercenaries. The lords will delegate command over a smaller piece to subordinates in exchange for lawful operation inside the keep, possibly land, and permission to keep a small cut of all mercenary contracts (part of which they need to hand up the chain of command).
(modern) Rule of thumb dictates that a superior can effectively manage 7 +/- 2 subordinates. Let's push this up to 10, because 10 is close to the upper limit, and makes dealing with our organization easier.
(1) High Lord of the Red Keep
(10) Lower Lords of the Red Keep
(100) Knights of the Red Keep
(1000) Appointed Mercenary Captains of the Red Keep
(10000) Mercenaries
answered 7 hours ago
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Establish a march, or several of them, out beyond the Red Keep and put the migrants there. Unless the valley has recently had a plague or something, it probably has about as many people as are needed to run it properly. Adding more will just lead to lots of unemployed, homeless people wandering around causing trouble and undermining your social system. If the hordes from beyond the pass want to settle down, they're going to have to find somewhere else to do it. Then they'll have to defend it, although for the hordes that should be no problem.
As a bonus, the more land the lord of the Red Keep can bring under his (or his subordinate lords') control, the more powerful he will grow - especially if the king is weak or foolish or has weak or foolish or easily bribed emissaries that allow this sort of thing to go on. On the downside, if the king isn't weak or foolish he's going to put his foot down right quick about any unauthorized colonization for that exact reason. Larger empires in history like the Roman Empire or various incarnations of the Persian Empire tended to be rife with provincial governors and the like trying to build up personal power, sometimes becoming more powerful than the emperors they notionally served, with the attendant intrigues and civil wars one would expect.
A related idea you could steal from the Romans is auxiliary service. The hordes from beyond the pass aren't citizens now, but if they serve the marcher lord long enough, they and their families can become citizens and maybe even earn the right to move into the valley if that's still a worthwhile prize.
answered 3 hours ago
CadenceCadence
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I'm thinking a almost Normandy kinda situation with one horde initially getting the march and now they feel obligated to protect it from other threats.
$endgroup$
– Celestial Dragon Emperor
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Establish a march, or several of them, out beyond the Red Keep and put the migrants there. Unless the valley has recently had a plague or something, it probably has about as many people as are needed to run it properly. Adding more will just lead to lots of unemployed, homeless people wandering around causing trouble and undermining your social system. If the hordes from beyond the pass want to settle down, they're going to have to find somewhere else to do it. Then they'll have to defend it, although for the hordes that should be no problem.
As a bonus, the more land the lord of the Red Keep can bring under his (or his subordinate lords') control, the more powerful he will grow - especially if the king is weak or foolish or has weak or foolish or easily bribed emissaries that allow this sort of thing to go on. On the downside, if the king isn't weak or foolish he's going to put his foot down right quick about any unauthorized colonization for that exact reason. Larger empires in history like the Roman Empire or various incarnations of the Persian Empire tended to be rife with provincial governors and the like trying to build up personal power, sometimes becoming more powerful than the emperors they notionally served, with the attendant intrigues and civil wars one would expect.
A related idea you could steal from the Romans is auxiliary service. The hordes from beyond the pass aren't citizens now, but if they serve the marcher lord long enough, they and their families can become citizens and maybe even earn the right to move into the valley if that's still a worthwhile prize.
answered 3 hours ago
CadenceCadence
18.6k5 gold badges37 silver badges63 bronze badges
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
I'm thinking a almost Normandy kinda situation with one horde initially getting the march and now they feel obligated to protect it from other threats.
$endgroup$
– Celestial Dragon Emperor
3 hours ago
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Establish a march, or several of them, out beyond the Red Keep and put the migrants there. Unless the valley has recently had a plague or something, it probably has about as many people as are needed to run it properly. Adding more will just lead to lots of unemployed, homeless people wandering around causing trouble and undermining your social system. If the hordes from beyond the pass want to settle down, they're going to have to find somewhere else to do it. Then they'll have to defend it, although for the hordes that should be no problem.
As a bonus, the more land the lord of the Red Keep can bring under his (or his subordinate lords') control, the more powerful he will grow - especially if the king is weak or foolish or has weak or foolish or easily bribed emissaries that allow this sort of thing to go on. On the downside, if the king isn't weak or foolish he's going to put his foot down right quick about any unauthorized colonization for that exact reason. Larger empires in history like the Roman Empire or various incarnations of the Persian Empire tended to be rife with provincial governors and the like trying to build up personal power, sometimes becoming more powerful than the emperors they notionally served, with the attendant intrigues and civil wars one would expect.
A related idea you could steal from the Romans is auxiliary service. The hordes from beyond the pass aren't citizens now, but if they serve the marcher lord long enough, they and their families can become citizens and maybe even earn the right to move into the valley if that's still a worthwhile prize.
answered 3 hours ago
CadenceCadence
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Establish a march, or several of them, out beyond the Red Keep and put the migrants there. Unless the valley has recently had a plague or something, it probably has about as many people as are needed to run it properly. Adding more will just lead to lots of unemployed, homeless people wandering around causing trouble and undermining your social system. If the hordes from beyond the pass want to settle down, they're going to have to find somewhere else to do it. Then they'll have to defend it, although for the hordes that should be no problem.
As a bonus, the more land the lord of the Red Keep can bring under his (or his subordinate lords') control, the more powerful he will grow - especially if the king is weak or foolish or has weak or foolish or easily bribed emissaries that allow this sort of thing to go on. On the downside, if the king isn't weak or foolish he's going to put his foot down right quick about any unauthorized colonization for that exact reason. Larger empires in history like the Roman Empire or various incarnations of the Persian Empire tended to be rife with provincial governors and the like trying to build up personal power, sometimes becoming more powerful than the emperors they notionally served, with the attendant intrigues and civil wars one would expect.
A related idea you could steal from the Romans is auxiliary service. The hordes from beyond the pass aren't citizens now, but if they serve the marcher lord long enough, they and their families can become citizens and maybe even earn the right to move into the valley if that's still a worthwhile prize.
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I'm thinking a almost Normandy kinda situation with one horde initially getting the march and now they feel obligated to protect it from other threats.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
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I'm thinking a almost Normandy kinda situation with one horde initially getting the march and now they feel obligated to protect it from other threats.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
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I'm thinking a almost Normandy kinda situation with one horde initially getting the march and now they feel obligated to protect it from other threats.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
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I'm thinking a almost Normandy kinda situation with one horde initially getting the march and now they feel obligated to protect it from other threats.
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– Celestial Dragon Emperor
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"transformed from a simple keep into a large city" - traditionally, cities were built around the castles. Do you want the entire city fit inside the old castle walls?
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@Alexander yes and no. The old castle walls have been turned into a over crowded city while outside on both ends of the wall are large tent city's and a few ramshackle houses
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Any sensible ruler would instantly behead the "clever" lord for treason, right after the "peaceful" migrants took over the keep and opened it for the horde, as blood is thicker than water. Putting this aside, what kind of "processing" do you wish to do exactly?
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Old castles usually have a small footprint, there is no room for a city. You may convert army barracks and stables into housing, but the conditions would be squalid, and neither the lord, nor his retainers would like to live in a castle like that. You may want to have only the "processing center" in the castle, with the real city outside.
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– Alexander
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@Alexander Nor the migrants, as with a nearby forest (even if restricted by law), they would poach enough tree to build simple homes for themselves... or with stones or caves in the mountains. But since it is a valley, forest is more reasonable. I've a hard to imagining they are allowed to migrate there at all, not mentioning the large numbers.
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