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Many Jews in Arab countries prior to coming to Israel used the word "Allah" to refer to God in everyday language in Arabic. Clearly though we do not believe that the "Allah" of the Quran is the same God that gave us the Torah as we do not follow Islam. Rambam referred to Muhammad as a false prophet and an insane man. In the Mishneh Torah (see: Hilkhot Melakhim), Rambam indicated that nevertheless Muhammad was part of God's plan of preparing the world for the coming of the Moshiach by transforming "the peoples to a purer language that they all will call upon the name of God and serve Him with one purpose":




ואם יעמוד מלך מבית דויד הוגה בתורה ועוסק במצות כדויד אביו כפי תורה
שבכתב ושבעל פה ויכוף כל ישראל לילך בה ולחזק בדקה וילחם מלחמות ה' הרי
זה בחזקת שהוא משיח אם עשה והצליח ובנה מקדש במקומו וקבץ נדחי ישראל הרי
זה משיח בודאי ויתקן את העולם כולו לעבוד את ה' ביחד שנאמר כי אז אהפוך
אל עמים שפה ברורה לקרוא כולם בשם ה' ולעבדו שכם אחד. ואם לא הצליח עד כה
או נהרג בידוע שאינו זה שהבטיחה עליו תורה והרי הוא ככל מלכי בית דויד
השלמים והכשרים שמתו ולא העמידו הקדוש ברוך הוא אלא לנסות בו רבים שנאמר
ומן המשכילים יכשלו לצרוף בהם ולברר וללבן עד עת קץ כי עוד למועד. אף
ישוע הנצרי שדימה שיהיה משיח ונהרג בבית דין כבר נתנבא בו דניאל שנאמר
ובני פריצי עמך ינשאו להעמיד חזון ונכשלו וכי יש מכשול גדול מזה שכל
הנביאים דברו שמשיח גואל ישראל ומושיעם ומקבץ נדחיהם ומחזק מצוותן וזה
גרם לאבד ישראל בחרב ולפזר שאריתם ולהשפילם ולהחליף התורה ולהטעות רוב
העולם לעבוד אלוה מבלעדי ה'. אך מחשבות בורא עולם אין כוח באדם להשיגם כי
לא דרכינו דרכיו ולא מחשבותינו מחשבותיו וכל הדברים האלו של ישוע הנצרי
ושל זה הישמעאלי שעמד אחריו אינן אלא לישר דרך למלך המשיח ולתקן העולם
כולו לעבוד את ה' ביחד שנאמר כי אז אהפוך אל אחד עמים שפה ברורה לקרוא
כולם בשם ה' לעבדו שכם אחד. כיצד כבר נתמלא העולם מדברי המשיח ומדברי
התורה ומדברי המצוות ופשטו דברים אלו באיים רחוקים ובעמים רבים ערלי לב
והם נושאים ונותנים בדברים אלו ובמצוות התורה אלו אומרים מצוות אלו אמת
היו וכבר בטלו בזמן הזה ולא היו נוהגות לדורות ואלו אומרים דברים נסתרים
יש בהן ואינן כפשוטן וכבר בא משיח וגילה נסתריהם וכשיעמוד המלך המשיח
באמת ויצליח וירום וינשא מיד הם כולם חוזרים ויודעים ששקר נחלו אבותיהם
ושנביאיהם ואבותיהם הטעום:



If a king will arise from the House of David who diligently
contemplates the Torah and observes its mitzvot as prescribed by the
Written Law and the Oral Law as David, his ancestor, will compel all
of Israel to walk in (the way of the Torah) and rectify the breaches
in its observance, and fight the wars of God, we may, with assurance,
consider him Mashiach.



If he succeeds in the above, builds the Temple in its place, and
gathers the dispersed of Israel, he is definitely the Mashiach.



He will then improve the entire world, motivating all the nations to
serve God together, as Tzephaniah 3:9 states: 'I will transform the
peoples to a purer language that they all will call upon the name of
God and serve Him with one purpose.'



If he did not succeed to this degree or was killed, he surely is not
the redeemer promised by the Torah. Rather, he should be considered as
all the other proper and complete kings of the Davidic dynasty who
died. God caused him to arise only to test the many, as Daniel 11:35
states: 'And some of the wise men will stumble, to try them, to
refine, and to clarify until the appointed time, because the set time
is in the future.'



Jesus of Nazareth who aspired to be the Mashiach and was executed by
the court was also alluded to in Daniel's prophecies, as ibid. 11:14
states: 'The vulgar among your people shall exalt themselves in an
attempt to fulfill the vision, but they shall stumble.'



Can there be a greater stumbling block than Christianity? All the
prophets spoke of Mashiach as the redeemer of Israel and their savior
who would gather their dispersed and strengthen their observance of
the mitzvot. In contrast, Christianity caused the Jews to be slain by
the sword, their remnants to be scattered and humbled, the Torah to be
altered, and the majority of the world to err and serve a god other
than the Lord.



Nevertheless, the intent of the Creator of the world is not within the
power of man to comprehend, for His ways are not our ways, nor are His
thoughts, our thoughts. Ultimately, all the deeds of Jesus of
Nazareth and that Ishmaelite who arose after him will only serve to
prepare the way for Mashiach's coming and the improvement of the
entire world, motivating the nations to serve God together as
Tzephaniah 3:9 states: 'I will transform the peoples to a purer
language that they all will call upon the name of God and serve Him
with one purpose.'



How will this come about? The entire world has already become filled
with the mention of Mashiach, Torah, and mitzvot. These matters have
been spread to the furthermost islands to many stubborn-hearted
nations. They discuss these matters and the mitzvot of the Torah,
saying: 'These mitzvot were true, but were already negated in the
present age and are not applicable for all time.'



Others say: 'Implied in the mitzvot are hidden concepts that can not
be understood simply. The Mashiach has already come and revealed those
hidden truths.'



When the true Messianic king will arise and prove successful, his
position becoming exalted and uplifted, they will all return and
realize that their ancestors endowed them with a false heritage and
their prophets and ancestors caused them to err.







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    "Clearly though we do not believe that the "Allah" of the Quran is the same God that gave us the Torah as we do not follow Islam". That doesn't follow. It's like saying George Washington who chopped down a cherry tree is not the same George Washington who was president because the the cherry tree story didn't actually hapoen.

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Many Jews in Arab countries prior to coming to Israel used the word "Allah" to refer to God in everyday language in Arabic. Clearly though we do not believe that the "Allah" of the Quran is the same God that gave us the Torah as we do not follow Islam. Rambam referred to Muhammad as a false prophet and an insane man. In the Mishneh Torah (see: Hilkhot Melakhim), Rambam indicated that nevertheless Muhammad was part of God's plan of preparing the world for the coming of the Moshiach by transforming "the peoples to a purer language that they all will call upon the name of God and serve Him with one purpose":




ואם יעמוד מלך מבית דויד הוגה בתורה ועוסק במצות כדויד אביו כפי תורה
שבכתב ושבעל פה ויכוף כל ישראל לילך בה ולחזק בדקה וילחם מלחמות ה' הרי
זה בחזקת שהוא משיח אם עשה והצליח ובנה מקדש במקומו וקבץ נדחי ישראל הרי
זה משיח בודאי ויתקן את העולם כולו לעבוד את ה' ביחד שנאמר כי אז אהפוך
אל עמים שפה ברורה לקרוא כולם בשם ה' ולעבדו שכם אחד. ואם לא הצליח עד כה
או נהרג בידוע שאינו זה שהבטיחה עליו תורה והרי הוא ככל מלכי בית דויד
השלמים והכשרים שמתו ולא העמידו הקדוש ברוך הוא אלא לנסות בו רבים שנאמר
ומן המשכילים יכשלו לצרוף בהם ולברר וללבן עד עת קץ כי עוד למועד. אף
ישוע הנצרי שדימה שיהיה משיח ונהרג בבית דין כבר נתנבא בו דניאל שנאמר
ובני פריצי עמך ינשאו להעמיד חזון ונכשלו וכי יש מכשול גדול מזה שכל
הנביאים דברו שמשיח גואל ישראל ומושיעם ומקבץ נדחיהם ומחזק מצוותן וזה
גרם לאבד ישראל בחרב ולפזר שאריתם ולהשפילם ולהחליף התורה ולהטעות רוב
העולם לעבוד אלוה מבלעדי ה'. אך מחשבות בורא עולם אין כוח באדם להשיגם כי
לא דרכינו דרכיו ולא מחשבותינו מחשבותיו וכל הדברים האלו של ישוע הנצרי
ושל זה הישמעאלי שעמד אחריו אינן אלא לישר דרך למלך המשיח ולתקן העולם
כולו לעבוד את ה' ביחד שנאמר כי אז אהפוך אל אחד עמים שפה ברורה לקרוא
כולם בשם ה' לעבדו שכם אחד. כיצד כבר נתמלא העולם מדברי המשיח ומדברי
התורה ומדברי המצוות ופשטו דברים אלו באיים רחוקים ובעמים רבים ערלי לב
והם נושאים ונותנים בדברים אלו ובמצוות התורה אלו אומרים מצוות אלו אמת
היו וכבר בטלו בזמן הזה ולא היו נוהגות לדורות ואלו אומרים דברים נסתרים
יש בהן ואינן כפשוטן וכבר בא משיח וגילה נסתריהם וכשיעמוד המלך המשיח
באמת ויצליח וירום וינשא מיד הם כולם חוזרים ויודעים ששקר נחלו אבותיהם
ושנביאיהם ואבותיהם הטעום:



If a king will arise from the House of David who diligently
contemplates the Torah and observes its mitzvot as prescribed by the
Written Law and the Oral Law as David, his ancestor, will compel all
of Israel to walk in (the way of the Torah) and rectify the breaches
in its observance, and fight the wars of God, we may, with assurance,
consider him Mashiach.



If he succeeds in the above, builds the Temple in its place, and
gathers the dispersed of Israel, he is definitely the Mashiach.



He will then improve the entire world, motivating all the nations to
serve God together, as Tzephaniah 3:9 states: 'I will transform the
peoples to a purer language that they all will call upon the name of
God and serve Him with one purpose.'



If he did not succeed to this degree or was killed, he surely is not
the redeemer promised by the Torah. Rather, he should be considered as
all the other proper and complete kings of the Davidic dynasty who
died. God caused him to arise only to test the many, as Daniel 11:35
states: 'And some of the wise men will stumble, to try them, to
refine, and to clarify until the appointed time, because the set time
is in the future.'



Jesus of Nazareth who aspired to be the Mashiach and was executed by
the court was also alluded to in Daniel's prophecies, as ibid. 11:14
states: 'The vulgar among your people shall exalt themselves in an
attempt to fulfill the vision, but they shall stumble.'



Can there be a greater stumbling block than Christianity? All the
prophets spoke of Mashiach as the redeemer of Israel and their savior
who would gather their dispersed and strengthen their observance of
the mitzvot. In contrast, Christianity caused the Jews to be slain by
the sword, their remnants to be scattered and humbled, the Torah to be
altered, and the majority of the world to err and serve a god other
than the Lord.



Nevertheless, the intent of the Creator of the world is not within the
power of man to comprehend, for His ways are not our ways, nor are His
thoughts, our thoughts. Ultimately, all the deeds of Jesus of
Nazareth and that Ishmaelite who arose after him will only serve to
prepare the way for Mashiach's coming and the improvement of the
entire world, motivating the nations to serve God together as
Tzephaniah 3:9 states: 'I will transform the peoples to a purer
language that they all will call upon the name of God and serve Him
with one purpose.'



How will this come about? The entire world has already become filled
with the mention of Mashiach, Torah, and mitzvot. These matters have
been spread to the furthermost islands to many stubborn-hearted
nations. They discuss these matters and the mitzvot of the Torah,
saying: 'These mitzvot were true, but were already negated in the
present age and are not applicable for all time.'



Others say: 'Implied in the mitzvot are hidden concepts that can not
be understood simply. The Mashiach has already come and revealed those
hidden truths.'



When the true Messianic king will arise and prove successful, his
position becoming exalted and uplifted, they will all return and
realize that their ancestors endowed them with a false heritage and
their prophets and ancestors caused them to err.







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    "Clearly though we do not believe that the "Allah" of the Quran is the same God that gave us the Torah as we do not follow Islam". That doesn't follow. It's like saying George Washington who chopped down a cherry tree is not the same George Washington who was president because the the cherry tree story didn't actually hapoen.

    – Heshy
    30 mins ago















4














Many Jews in Arab countries prior to coming to Israel used the word "Allah" to refer to God in everyday language in Arabic. Clearly though we do not believe that the "Allah" of the Quran is the same God that gave us the Torah as we do not follow Islam. Rambam referred to Muhammad as a false prophet and an insane man. In the Mishneh Torah (see: Hilkhot Melakhim), Rambam indicated that nevertheless Muhammad was part of God's plan of preparing the world for the coming of the Moshiach by transforming "the peoples to a purer language that they all will call upon the name of God and serve Him with one purpose":




ואם יעמוד מלך מבית דויד הוגה בתורה ועוסק במצות כדויד אביו כפי תורה
שבכתב ושבעל פה ויכוף כל ישראל לילך בה ולחזק בדקה וילחם מלחמות ה' הרי
זה בחזקת שהוא משיח אם עשה והצליח ובנה מקדש במקומו וקבץ נדחי ישראל הרי
זה משיח בודאי ויתקן את העולם כולו לעבוד את ה' ביחד שנאמר כי אז אהפוך
אל עמים שפה ברורה לקרוא כולם בשם ה' ולעבדו שכם אחד. ואם לא הצליח עד כה
או נהרג בידוע שאינו זה שהבטיחה עליו תורה והרי הוא ככל מלכי בית דויד
השלמים והכשרים שמתו ולא העמידו הקדוש ברוך הוא אלא לנסות בו רבים שנאמר
ומן המשכילים יכשלו לצרוף בהם ולברר וללבן עד עת קץ כי עוד למועד. אף
ישוע הנצרי שדימה שיהיה משיח ונהרג בבית דין כבר נתנבא בו דניאל שנאמר
ובני פריצי עמך ינשאו להעמיד חזון ונכשלו וכי יש מכשול גדול מזה שכל
הנביאים דברו שמשיח גואל ישראל ומושיעם ומקבץ נדחיהם ומחזק מצוותן וזה
גרם לאבד ישראל בחרב ולפזר שאריתם ולהשפילם ולהחליף התורה ולהטעות רוב
העולם לעבוד אלוה מבלעדי ה'. אך מחשבות בורא עולם אין כוח באדם להשיגם כי
לא דרכינו דרכיו ולא מחשבותינו מחשבותיו וכל הדברים האלו של ישוע הנצרי
ושל זה הישמעאלי שעמד אחריו אינן אלא לישר דרך למלך המשיח ולתקן העולם
כולו לעבוד את ה' ביחד שנאמר כי אז אהפוך אל אחד עמים שפה ברורה לקרוא
כולם בשם ה' לעבדו שכם אחד. כיצד כבר נתמלא העולם מדברי המשיח ומדברי
התורה ומדברי המצוות ופשטו דברים אלו באיים רחוקים ובעמים רבים ערלי לב
והם נושאים ונותנים בדברים אלו ובמצוות התורה אלו אומרים מצוות אלו אמת
היו וכבר בטלו בזמן הזה ולא היו נוהגות לדורות ואלו אומרים דברים נסתרים
יש בהן ואינן כפשוטן וכבר בא משיח וגילה נסתריהם וכשיעמוד המלך המשיח
באמת ויצליח וירום וינשא מיד הם כולם חוזרים ויודעים ששקר נחלו אבותיהם
ושנביאיהם ואבותיהם הטעום:



If a king will arise from the House of David who diligently
contemplates the Torah and observes its mitzvot as prescribed by the
Written Law and the Oral Law as David, his ancestor, will compel all
of Israel to walk in (the way of the Torah) and rectify the breaches
in its observance, and fight the wars of God, we may, with assurance,
consider him Mashiach.



If he succeeds in the above, builds the Temple in its place, and
gathers the dispersed of Israel, he is definitely the Mashiach.



He will then improve the entire world, motivating all the nations to
serve God together, as Tzephaniah 3:9 states: 'I will transform the
peoples to a purer language that they all will call upon the name of
God and serve Him with one purpose.'



If he did not succeed to this degree or was killed, he surely is not
the redeemer promised by the Torah. Rather, he should be considered as
all the other proper and complete kings of the Davidic dynasty who
died. God caused him to arise only to test the many, as Daniel 11:35
states: 'And some of the wise men will stumble, to try them, to
refine, and to clarify until the appointed time, because the set time
is in the future.'



Jesus of Nazareth who aspired to be the Mashiach and was executed by
the court was also alluded to in Daniel's prophecies, as ibid. 11:14
states: 'The vulgar among your people shall exalt themselves in an
attempt to fulfill the vision, but they shall stumble.'



Can there be a greater stumbling block than Christianity? All the
prophets spoke of Mashiach as the redeemer of Israel and their savior
who would gather their dispersed and strengthen their observance of
the mitzvot. In contrast, Christianity caused the Jews to be slain by
the sword, their remnants to be scattered and humbled, the Torah to be
altered, and the majority of the world to err and serve a god other
than the Lord.



Nevertheless, the intent of the Creator of the world is not within the
power of man to comprehend, for His ways are not our ways, nor are His
thoughts, our thoughts. Ultimately, all the deeds of Jesus of
Nazareth and that Ishmaelite who arose after him will only serve to
prepare the way for Mashiach's coming and the improvement of the
entire world, motivating the nations to serve God together as
Tzephaniah 3:9 states: 'I will transform the peoples to a purer
language that they all will call upon the name of God and serve Him
with one purpose.'



How will this come about? The entire world has already become filled
with the mention of Mashiach, Torah, and mitzvot. These matters have
been spread to the furthermost islands to many stubborn-hearted
nations. They discuss these matters and the mitzvot of the Torah,
saying: 'These mitzvot were true, but were already negated in the
present age and are not applicable for all time.'



Others say: 'Implied in the mitzvot are hidden concepts that can not
be understood simply. The Mashiach has already come and revealed those
hidden truths.'



When the true Messianic king will arise and prove successful, his
position becoming exalted and uplifted, they will all return and
realize that their ancestors endowed them with a false heritage and
their prophets and ancestors caused them to err.







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    "Clearly though we do not believe that the "Allah" of the Quran is the same God that gave us the Torah as we do not follow Islam". That doesn't follow. It's like saying George Washington who chopped down a cherry tree is not the same George Washington who was president because the the cherry tree story didn't actually hapoen.

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Many Jews in Arab countries prior to coming to Israel used the word "Allah" to refer to God in everyday language in Arabic. Clearly though we do not believe that the "Allah" of the Quran is the same God that gave us the Torah as we do not follow Islam. Rambam referred to Muhammad as a false prophet and an insane man. In the Mishneh Torah (see: Hilkhot Melakhim), Rambam indicated that nevertheless Muhammad was part of God's plan of preparing the world for the coming of the Moshiach by transforming "the peoples to a purer language that they all will call upon the name of God and serve Him with one purpose":




ואם יעמוד מלך מבית דויד הוגה בתורה ועוסק במצות כדויד אביו כפי תורה
שבכתב ושבעל פה ויכוף כל ישראל לילך בה ולחזק בדקה וילחם מלחמות ה' הרי
זה בחזקת שהוא משיח אם עשה והצליח ובנה מקדש במקומו וקבץ נדחי ישראל הרי
זה משיח בודאי ויתקן את העולם כולו לעבוד את ה' ביחד שנאמר כי אז אהפוך
אל עמים שפה ברורה לקרוא כולם בשם ה' ולעבדו שכם אחד. ואם לא הצליח עד כה
או נהרג בידוע שאינו זה שהבטיחה עליו תורה והרי הוא ככל מלכי בית דויד
השלמים והכשרים שמתו ולא העמידו הקדוש ברוך הוא אלא לנסות בו רבים שנאמר
ומן המשכילים יכשלו לצרוף בהם ולברר וללבן עד עת קץ כי עוד למועד. אף
ישוע הנצרי שדימה שיהיה משיח ונהרג בבית דין כבר נתנבא בו דניאל שנאמר
ובני פריצי עמך ינשאו להעמיד חזון ונכשלו וכי יש מכשול גדול מזה שכל
הנביאים דברו שמשיח גואל ישראל ומושיעם ומקבץ נדחיהם ומחזק מצוותן וזה
גרם לאבד ישראל בחרב ולפזר שאריתם ולהשפילם ולהחליף התורה ולהטעות רוב
העולם לעבוד אלוה מבלעדי ה'. אך מחשבות בורא עולם אין כוח באדם להשיגם כי
לא דרכינו דרכיו ולא מחשבותינו מחשבותיו וכל הדברים האלו של ישוע הנצרי
ושל זה הישמעאלי שעמד אחריו אינן אלא לישר דרך למלך המשיח ולתקן העולם
כולו לעבוד את ה' ביחד שנאמר כי אז אהפוך אל אחד עמים שפה ברורה לקרוא
כולם בשם ה' לעבדו שכם אחד. כיצד כבר נתמלא העולם מדברי המשיח ומדברי
התורה ומדברי המצוות ופשטו דברים אלו באיים רחוקים ובעמים רבים ערלי לב
והם נושאים ונותנים בדברים אלו ובמצוות התורה אלו אומרים מצוות אלו אמת
היו וכבר בטלו בזמן הזה ולא היו נוהגות לדורות ואלו אומרים דברים נסתרים
יש בהן ואינן כפשוטן וכבר בא משיח וגילה נסתריהם וכשיעמוד המלך המשיח
באמת ויצליח וירום וינשא מיד הם כולם חוזרים ויודעים ששקר נחלו אבותיהם
ושנביאיהם ואבותיהם הטעום:



If a king will arise from the House of David who diligently
contemplates the Torah and observes its mitzvot as prescribed by the
Written Law and the Oral Law as David, his ancestor, will compel all
of Israel to walk in (the way of the Torah) and rectify the breaches
in its observance, and fight the wars of God, we may, with assurance,
consider him Mashiach.



If he succeeds in the above, builds the Temple in its place, and
gathers the dispersed of Israel, he is definitely the Mashiach.



He will then improve the entire world, motivating all the nations to
serve God together, as Tzephaniah 3:9 states: 'I will transform the
peoples to a purer language that they all will call upon the name of
God and serve Him with one purpose.'



If he did not succeed to this degree or was killed, he surely is not
the redeemer promised by the Torah. Rather, he should be considered as
all the other proper and complete kings of the Davidic dynasty who
died. God caused him to arise only to test the many, as Daniel 11:35
states: 'And some of the wise men will stumble, to try them, to
refine, and to clarify until the appointed time, because the set time
is in the future.'



Jesus of Nazareth who aspired to be the Mashiach and was executed by
the court was also alluded to in Daniel's prophecies, as ibid. 11:14
states: 'The vulgar among your people shall exalt themselves in an
attempt to fulfill the vision, but they shall stumble.'



Can there be a greater stumbling block than Christianity? All the
prophets spoke of Mashiach as the redeemer of Israel and their savior
who would gather their dispersed and strengthen their observance of
the mitzvot. In contrast, Christianity caused the Jews to be slain by
the sword, their remnants to be scattered and humbled, the Torah to be
altered, and the majority of the world to err and serve a god other
than the Lord.



Nevertheless, the intent of the Creator of the world is not within the
power of man to comprehend, for His ways are not our ways, nor are His
thoughts, our thoughts. Ultimately, all the deeds of Jesus of
Nazareth and that Ishmaelite who arose after him will only serve to
prepare the way for Mashiach's coming and the improvement of the
entire world, motivating the nations to serve God together as
Tzephaniah 3:9 states: 'I will transform the peoples to a purer
language that they all will call upon the name of God and serve Him
with one purpose.'



How will this come about? The entire world has already become filled
with the mention of Mashiach, Torah, and mitzvot. These matters have
been spread to the furthermost islands to many stubborn-hearted
nations. They discuss these matters and the mitzvot of the Torah,
saying: 'These mitzvot were true, but were already negated in the
present age and are not applicable for all time.'



Others say: 'Implied in the mitzvot are hidden concepts that can not
be understood simply. The Mashiach has already come and revealed those
hidden truths.'



When the true Messianic king will arise and prove successful, his
position becoming exalted and uplifted, they will all return and
realize that their ancestors endowed them with a false heritage and
their prophets and ancestors caused them to err.







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Many Jews in Arab countries prior to coming to Israel used the word "Allah" to refer to God in everyday language in Arabic. Clearly though we do not believe that the "Allah" of the Quran is the same God that gave us the Torah as we do not follow Islam. Rambam referred to Muhammad as a false prophet and an insane man. In the Mishneh Torah (see: Hilkhot Melakhim), Rambam indicated that nevertheless Muhammad was part of God's plan of preparing the world for the coming of the Moshiach by transforming "the peoples to a purer language that they all will call upon the name of God and serve Him with one purpose":




ואם יעמוד מלך מבית דויד הוגה בתורה ועוסק במצות כדויד אביו כפי תורה
שבכתב ושבעל פה ויכוף כל ישראל לילך בה ולחזק בדקה וילחם מלחמות ה' הרי
זה בחזקת שהוא משיח אם עשה והצליח ובנה מקדש במקומו וקבץ נדחי ישראל הרי
זה משיח בודאי ויתקן את העולם כולו לעבוד את ה' ביחד שנאמר כי אז אהפוך
אל עמים שפה ברורה לקרוא כולם בשם ה' ולעבדו שכם אחד. ואם לא הצליח עד כה
או נהרג בידוע שאינו זה שהבטיחה עליו תורה והרי הוא ככל מלכי בית דויד
השלמים והכשרים שמתו ולא העמידו הקדוש ברוך הוא אלא לנסות בו רבים שנאמר
ומן המשכילים יכשלו לצרוף בהם ולברר וללבן עד עת קץ כי עוד למועד. אף
ישוע הנצרי שדימה שיהיה משיח ונהרג בבית דין כבר נתנבא בו דניאל שנאמר
ובני פריצי עמך ינשאו להעמיד חזון ונכשלו וכי יש מכשול גדול מזה שכל
הנביאים דברו שמשיח גואל ישראל ומושיעם ומקבץ נדחיהם ומחזק מצוותן וזה
גרם לאבד ישראל בחרב ולפזר שאריתם ולהשפילם ולהחליף התורה ולהטעות רוב
העולם לעבוד אלוה מבלעדי ה'. אך מחשבות בורא עולם אין כוח באדם להשיגם כי
לא דרכינו דרכיו ולא מחשבותינו מחשבותיו וכל הדברים האלו של ישוע הנצרי
ושל זה הישמעאלי שעמד אחריו אינן אלא לישר דרך למלך המשיח ולתקן העולם
כולו לעבוד את ה' ביחד שנאמר כי אז אהפוך אל אחד עמים שפה ברורה לקרוא
כולם בשם ה' לעבדו שכם אחד. כיצד כבר נתמלא העולם מדברי המשיח ומדברי
התורה ומדברי המצוות ופשטו דברים אלו באיים רחוקים ובעמים רבים ערלי לב
והם נושאים ונותנים בדברים אלו ובמצוות התורה אלו אומרים מצוות אלו אמת
היו וכבר בטלו בזמן הזה ולא היו נוהגות לדורות ואלו אומרים דברים נסתרים
יש בהן ואינן כפשוטן וכבר בא משיח וגילה נסתריהם וכשיעמוד המלך המשיח
באמת ויצליח וירום וינשא מיד הם כולם חוזרים ויודעים ששקר נחלו אבותיהם
ושנביאיהם ואבותיהם הטעום:



If a king will arise from the House of David who diligently
contemplates the Torah and observes its mitzvot as prescribed by the
Written Law and the Oral Law as David, his ancestor, will compel all
of Israel to walk in (the way of the Torah) and rectify the breaches
in its observance, and fight the wars of God, we may, with assurance,
consider him Mashiach.



If he succeeds in the above, builds the Temple in its place, and
gathers the dispersed of Israel, he is definitely the Mashiach.



He will then improve the entire world, motivating all the nations to
serve God together, as Tzephaniah 3:9 states: 'I will transform the
peoples to a purer language that they all will call upon the name of
God and serve Him with one purpose.'



If he did not succeed to this degree or was killed, he surely is not
the redeemer promised by the Torah. Rather, he should be considered as
all the other proper and complete kings of the Davidic dynasty who
died. God caused him to arise only to test the many, as Daniel 11:35
states: 'And some of the wise men will stumble, to try them, to
refine, and to clarify until the appointed time, because the set time
is in the future.'



Jesus of Nazareth who aspired to be the Mashiach and was executed by
the court was also alluded to in Daniel's prophecies, as ibid. 11:14
states: 'The vulgar among your people shall exalt themselves in an
attempt to fulfill the vision, but they shall stumble.'



Can there be a greater stumbling block than Christianity? All the
prophets spoke of Mashiach as the redeemer of Israel and their savior
who would gather their dispersed and strengthen their observance of
the mitzvot. In contrast, Christianity caused the Jews to be slain by
the sword, their remnants to be scattered and humbled, the Torah to be
altered, and the majority of the world to err and serve a god other
than the Lord.



Nevertheless, the intent of the Creator of the world is not within the
power of man to comprehend, for His ways are not our ways, nor are His
thoughts, our thoughts. Ultimately, all the deeds of Jesus of
Nazareth and that Ishmaelite who arose after him will only serve to
prepare the way for Mashiach's coming and the improvement of the
entire world, motivating the nations to serve God together as
Tzephaniah 3:9 states: 'I will transform the peoples to a purer
language that they all will call upon the name of God and serve Him
with one purpose.'



How will this come about? The entire world has already become filled
with the mention of Mashiach, Torah, and mitzvot. These matters have
been spread to the furthermost islands to many stubborn-hearted
nations. They discuss these matters and the mitzvot of the Torah,
saying: 'These mitzvot were true, but were already negated in the
present age and are not applicable for all time.'



Others say: 'Implied in the mitzvot are hidden concepts that can not
be understood simply. The Mashiach has already come and revealed those
hidden truths.'



When the true Messianic king will arise and prove successful, his
position becoming exalted and uplifted, they will all return and
realize that their ancestors endowed them with a false heritage and
their prophets and ancestors caused them to err.








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    "Clearly though we do not believe that the "Allah" of the Quran is the same God that gave us the Torah as we do not follow Islam". That doesn't follow. It's like saying George Washington who chopped down a cherry tree is not the same George Washington who was president because the the cherry tree story didn't actually hapoen.

    – Heshy
    30 mins ago












  • 2





    "Clearly though we do not believe that the "Allah" of the Quran is the same God that gave us the Torah as we do not follow Islam". That doesn't follow. It's like saying George Washington who chopped down a cherry tree is not the same George Washington who was president because the the cherry tree story didn't actually hapoen.

    – Heshy
    30 mins ago







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2





"Clearly though we do not believe that the "Allah" of the Quran is the same God that gave us the Torah as we do not follow Islam". That doesn't follow. It's like saying George Washington who chopped down a cherry tree is not the same George Washington who was president because the the cherry tree story didn't actually hapoen.

– Heshy
30 mins ago





"Clearly though we do not believe that the "Allah" of the Quran is the same God that gave us the Torah as we do not follow Islam". That doesn't follow. It's like saying George Washington who chopped down a cherry tree is not the same George Washington who was president because the the cherry tree story didn't actually hapoen.

– Heshy
30 mins ago



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