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Trigonometry substitution issue with sign
Trig substitution integralDefinite Integral - help with choosing which solution is the right one?Integrating $ int frac1sqrtx^2+4,dx $ using Trigonometric SubstitutionUsing Inverse Trig. TechniqueWhy do I need to switch the sign of the natural log in this trig-sub integration problem?Find the length of the curve $x^2$ from $[1, 3]$Simpler Derivation of $sin fracpi4 = cos fracpi4 = frac1sqrt2$,Why can we drop the absolute sign in this case of trig-substitution?Writing $tan^2(2sec^-1(fracx3))$ in algebraic formIndefinite integral of $fracsqrt 25x^2 - 4x$
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When solving an integral such as $displaystyleintfracdxsqrtx^2+4$, you eventually end up with
$$ lnlvertsectheta+tanthetarvert+C.$$
The next step is to rewrite this in terms of $x$. My book does the following: $x=2tantheta$, so by drawing a triangle, it can be seen that $x$ is the opposite side, $2$ the adjacent one, and finally, $sqrt2^2+x^2$ the hypotenuse. Therefore, $$sectheta=fracsqrt2^2+x^22.$$ The problem that I see however is that $sqrt2^2+x^2$ is the magnitude of the hypotenuse, so this has lost a possible negative sign since it is not necessarily true that
$$ sectheta = frac2.$$
How can this be omitted?
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When solving an integral such as $displaystyleintfracdxsqrtx^2+4$, you eventually end up with
$$ lnlvertsectheta+tanthetarvert+C.$$
The next step is to rewrite this in terms of $x$. My book does the following: $x=2tantheta$, so by drawing a triangle, it can be seen that $x$ is the opposite side, $2$ the adjacent one, and finally, $sqrt2^2+x^2$ the hypotenuse. Therefore, $$sectheta=fracsqrt2^2+x^22.$$ The problem that I see however is that $sqrt2^2+x^2$ is the magnitude of the hypotenuse, so this has lost a possible negative sign since it is not necessarily true that
$$ sectheta = frac2.$$
How can this be omitted?
calculus integration trigonometry trigonometric-integrals
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When solving an integral such as $displaystyleintfracdxsqrtx^2+4$, you eventually end up with
$$ lnlvertsectheta+tanthetarvert+C.$$
The next step is to rewrite this in terms of $x$. My book does the following: $x=2tantheta$, so by drawing a triangle, it can be seen that $x$ is the opposite side, $2$ the adjacent one, and finally, $sqrt2^2+x^2$ the hypotenuse. Therefore, $$sectheta=fracsqrt2^2+x^22.$$ The problem that I see however is that $sqrt2^2+x^2$ is the magnitude of the hypotenuse, so this has lost a possible negative sign since it is not necessarily true that
$$ sectheta = frac2.$$
How can this be omitted?
calculus integration trigonometry trigonometric-integrals
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When solving an integral such as $displaystyleintfracdxsqrtx^2+4$, you eventually end up with
$$ lnlvertsectheta+tanthetarvert+C.$$
The next step is to rewrite this in terms of $x$. My book does the following: $x=2tantheta$, so by drawing a triangle, it can be seen that $x$ is the opposite side, $2$ the adjacent one, and finally, $sqrt2^2+x^2$ the hypotenuse. Therefore, $$sectheta=fracsqrt2^2+x^22.$$ The problem that I see however is that $sqrt2^2+x^2$ is the magnitude of the hypotenuse, so this has lost a possible negative sign since it is not necessarily true that
$$ sectheta = frac2.$$
How can this be omitted?
calculus integration trigonometry trigonometric-integrals
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When you make the substitution $x=2tan theta$, you have to be careful to specify the domain of $theta$: the substitution is only valid if $theta$ has a small enough domain for $tan theta$ to be continuous. The simplest possible choice of domain is probably $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$. Note that the range of $2tan theta$ on this domain is the entire real line, so taking $theta$ in this domain doesn't lose any generality.
But when $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$, we always have $sec theta > 0$. So in fact, if you make this choice of domain, it is always true that $2 sec theta=sqrtx^2+4$, without any sign issues.
(If you chose a different domain for $theta$, you might find that $2sectheta = -sqrtx^2+4$ instead. It's a useful exercise to think about why this will not change the eventual value of the integral. In any case, the sign of $sec theta$ is constant on every domain where $tan theta$ is continuous.)
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That makes sense, thanks. Is my answer that I put a reason for your excersise regarding “why this will not change the eventual value of the integral.” Thanks
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Let's work through it from the beginning
$$x=2tantheta, dx=2sec^2theta dtheta.\
int fracdxsqrtx^2+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dthetasqrt4tan^2theta+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dtheta=int|sectheta|dtheta=intsectheta dtheta\
=ln(tantheta+sectheta)+C.$$
Where the modulus sign can be removed because we can assume $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$ to get all the values of $x$.
Again, when using $2sectheta=pmsqrtx^2+4$, we know that $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$, so the minus sign can be ignored.
If you try to use other ranges of $theta$, the negative sign(if any) in the above steps should cancel out, and you can get the same result.
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Is this perhaps a possible solution?
$$intfracdx+2sqrtx^2+2^2=intfracdx+2sqrtsec^2(theta)=intfrac2sec^2(theta)2mid sec(theta)middtheta=intmidsec(theta)mid dtheta >0 $$
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When you make the substitution $x=2tan theta$, you have to be careful to specify the domain of $theta$: the substitution is only valid if $theta$ has a small enough domain for $tan theta$ to be continuous. The simplest possible choice of domain is probably $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$. Note that the range of $2tan theta$ on this domain is the entire real line, so taking $theta$ in this domain doesn't lose any generality.
But when $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$, we always have $sec theta > 0$. So in fact, if you make this choice of domain, it is always true that $2 sec theta=sqrtx^2+4$, without any sign issues.
(If you chose a different domain for $theta$, you might find that $2sectheta = -sqrtx^2+4$ instead. It's a useful exercise to think about why this will not change the eventual value of the integral. In any case, the sign of $sec theta$ is constant on every domain where $tan theta$ is continuous.)
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That makes sense, thanks. Is my answer that I put a reason for your excersise regarding “why this will not change the eventual value of the integral.” Thanks
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– Roshan Klein-Seetharaman
1 hour ago
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When you make the substitution $x=2tan theta$, you have to be careful to specify the domain of $theta$: the substitution is only valid if $theta$ has a small enough domain for $tan theta$ to be continuous. The simplest possible choice of domain is probably $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$. Note that the range of $2tan theta$ on this domain is the entire real line, so taking $theta$ in this domain doesn't lose any generality.
But when $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$, we always have $sec theta > 0$. So in fact, if you make this choice of domain, it is always true that $2 sec theta=sqrtx^2+4$, without any sign issues.
(If you chose a different domain for $theta$, you might find that $2sectheta = -sqrtx^2+4$ instead. It's a useful exercise to think about why this will not change the eventual value of the integral. In any case, the sign of $sec theta$ is constant on every domain where $tan theta$ is continuous.)
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That makes sense, thanks. Is my answer that I put a reason for your excersise regarding “why this will not change the eventual value of the integral.” Thanks
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– Roshan Klein-Seetharaman
1 hour ago
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When you make the substitution $x=2tan theta$, you have to be careful to specify the domain of $theta$: the substitution is only valid if $theta$ has a small enough domain for $tan theta$ to be continuous. The simplest possible choice of domain is probably $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$. Note that the range of $2tan theta$ on this domain is the entire real line, so taking $theta$ in this domain doesn't lose any generality.
But when $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$, we always have $sec theta > 0$. So in fact, if you make this choice of domain, it is always true that $2 sec theta=sqrtx^2+4$, without any sign issues.
(If you chose a different domain for $theta$, you might find that $2sectheta = -sqrtx^2+4$ instead. It's a useful exercise to think about why this will not change the eventual value of the integral. In any case, the sign of $sec theta$ is constant on every domain where $tan theta$ is continuous.)
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When you make the substitution $x=2tan theta$, you have to be careful to specify the domain of $theta$: the substitution is only valid if $theta$ has a small enough domain for $tan theta$ to be continuous. The simplest possible choice of domain is probably $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$. Note that the range of $2tan theta$ on this domain is the entire real line, so taking $theta$ in this domain doesn't lose any generality.
But when $-fracpi2 < theta < fracpi2$, we always have $sec theta > 0$. So in fact, if you make this choice of domain, it is always true that $2 sec theta=sqrtx^2+4$, without any sign issues.
(If you chose a different domain for $theta$, you might find that $2sectheta = -sqrtx^2+4$ instead. It's a useful exercise to think about why this will not change the eventual value of the integral. In any case, the sign of $sec theta$ is constant on every domain where $tan theta$ is continuous.)
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That makes sense, thanks. Is my answer that I put a reason for your excersise regarding “why this will not change the eventual value of the integral.” Thanks
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– Roshan Klein-Seetharaman
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That makes sense, thanks. Is my answer that I put a reason for your excersise regarding “why this will not change the eventual value of the integral.” Thanks
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– Roshan Klein-Seetharaman
1 hour ago
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That makes sense, thanks. Is my answer that I put a reason for your excersise regarding “why this will not change the eventual value of the integral.” Thanks
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– Roshan Klein-Seetharaman
1 hour ago
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That makes sense, thanks. Is my answer that I put a reason for your excersise regarding “why this will not change the eventual value of the integral.” Thanks
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– Roshan Klein-Seetharaman
1 hour ago
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Let's work through it from the beginning
$$x=2tantheta, dx=2sec^2theta dtheta.\
int fracdxsqrtx^2+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dthetasqrt4tan^2theta+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dtheta=int|sectheta|dtheta=intsectheta dtheta\
=ln(tantheta+sectheta)+C.$$
Where the modulus sign can be removed because we can assume $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$ to get all the values of $x$.
Again, when using $2sectheta=pmsqrtx^2+4$, we know that $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$, so the minus sign can be ignored.
If you try to use other ranges of $theta$, the negative sign(if any) in the above steps should cancel out, and you can get the same result.
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Let's work through it from the beginning
$$x=2tantheta, dx=2sec^2theta dtheta.\
int fracdxsqrtx^2+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dthetasqrt4tan^2theta+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dtheta=int|sectheta|dtheta=intsectheta dtheta\
=ln(tantheta+sectheta)+C.$$
Where the modulus sign can be removed because we can assume $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$ to get all the values of $x$.
Again, when using $2sectheta=pmsqrtx^2+4$, we know that $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$, so the minus sign can be ignored.
If you try to use other ranges of $theta$, the negative sign(if any) in the above steps should cancel out, and you can get the same result.
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Let's work through it from the beginning
$$x=2tantheta, dx=2sec^2theta dtheta.\
int fracdxsqrtx^2+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dthetasqrt4tan^2theta+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dtheta=int|sectheta|dtheta=intsectheta dtheta\
=ln(tantheta+sectheta)+C.$$
Where the modulus sign can be removed because we can assume $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$ to get all the values of $x$.
Again, when using $2sectheta=pmsqrtx^2+4$, we know that $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$, so the minus sign can be ignored.
If you try to use other ranges of $theta$, the negative sign(if any) in the above steps should cancel out, and you can get the same result.
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Let's work through it from the beginning
$$x=2tantheta, dx=2sec^2theta dtheta.\
int fracdxsqrtx^2+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dthetasqrt4tan^2theta+4=intfrac2sec^2theta dtheta=int|sectheta|dtheta=intsectheta dtheta\
=ln(tantheta+sectheta)+C.$$
Where the modulus sign can be removed because we can assume $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$ to get all the values of $x$.
Again, when using $2sectheta=pmsqrtx^2+4$, we know that $thetain(-fracpi2,fracpi2)$, so the minus sign can be ignored.
If you try to use other ranges of $theta$, the negative sign(if any) in the above steps should cancel out, and you can get the same result.
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Is this perhaps a possible solution?
$$intfracdx+2sqrtx^2+2^2=intfracdx+2sqrtsec^2(theta)=intfrac2sec^2(theta)2mid sec(theta)middtheta=intmidsec(theta)mid dtheta >0 $$
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Is this perhaps a possible solution?
$$intfracdx+2sqrtx^2+2^2=intfracdx+2sqrtsec^2(theta)=intfrac2sec^2(theta)2mid sec(theta)middtheta=intmidsec(theta)mid dtheta >0 $$
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Is this perhaps a possible solution?
$$intfracdx+2sqrtx^2+2^2=intfracdx+2sqrtsec^2(theta)=intfrac2sec^2(theta)2mid sec(theta)middtheta=intmidsec(theta)mid dtheta >0 $$
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Is this perhaps a possible solution?
$$intfracdx+2sqrtx^2+2^2=intfracdx+2sqrtsec^2(theta)=intfrac2sec^2(theta)2mid sec(theta)middtheta=intmidsec(theta)mid dtheta >0 $$
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