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Why is Microwaved mac & cheese burnt where they touch?
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After reheating cold about 1.5 oz. of Annie's Mac & Cheese shells for 15 seconds on high power in the microwave, the mac & cheese was burnt black only at certain points where the pasta is touching each other. Does anyone have an idea of what might be going on?
everyday-life home-experiment resonance microwaves food
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After reheating cold about 1.5 oz. of Annie's Mac & Cheese shells for 15 seconds on high power in the microwave, the mac & cheese was burnt black only at certain points where the pasta is touching each other. Does anyone have an idea of what might be going on?
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Veritasium made a video with touching grapes in a microwave oven. Without having anything to actually back up my claim (I don't remember whether he said anything about things other than grapes), I suspect something similar is happening here. At any rate, it looks cool.
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– Arthur
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Same thing happens with sliced hot dogs.
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– MonkeyZeus
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That is not macaroni. As you say, they are shells, or conchiglie. As such, it is also not mac & cheese.
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– Lightness Races with Monica
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Fine. Macaroni product and cheese: law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/139.110
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– Tristan
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit There are a ton of regulations on what various foods can be called. Have a look: law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/chapter-I/subchapter-B
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After reheating cold about 1.5 oz. of Annie's Mac & Cheese shells for 15 seconds on high power in the microwave, the mac & cheese was burnt black only at certain points where the pasta is touching each other. Does anyone have an idea of what might be going on?
everyday-life home-experiment resonance microwaves food
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After reheating cold about 1.5 oz. of Annie's Mac & Cheese shells for 15 seconds on high power in the microwave, the mac & cheese was burnt black only at certain points where the pasta is touching each other. Does anyone have an idea of what might be going on?
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Veritasium made a video with touching grapes in a microwave oven. Without having anything to actually back up my claim (I don't remember whether he said anything about things other than grapes), I suspect something similar is happening here. At any rate, it looks cool.
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– Arthur
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Same thing happens with sliced hot dogs.
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– MonkeyZeus
Oct 15 at 15:43
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That is not macaroni. As you say, they are shells, or conchiglie. As such, it is also not mac & cheese.
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– Lightness Races with Monica
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Fine. Macaroni product and cheese: law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/139.110
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– Tristan
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit There are a ton of regulations on what various foods can be called. Have a look: law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/chapter-I/subchapter-B
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Veritasium made a video with touching grapes in a microwave oven. Without having anything to actually back up my claim (I don't remember whether he said anything about things other than grapes), I suspect something similar is happening here. At any rate, it looks cool.
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– Arthur
Oct 14 at 8:23
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Same thing happens with sliced hot dogs.
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– MonkeyZeus
Oct 15 at 15:43
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That is not macaroni. As you say, they are shells, or conchiglie. As such, it is also not mac & cheese.
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– Lightness Races with Monica
Oct 15 at 19:46
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Fine. Macaroni product and cheese: law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/139.110
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– Tristan
Oct 16 at 17:23
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit There are a ton of regulations on what various foods can be called. Have a look: law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/chapter-I/subchapter-B
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– Tristan
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Veritasium made a video with touching grapes in a microwave oven. Without having anything to actually back up my claim (I don't remember whether he said anything about things other than grapes), I suspect something similar is happening here. At any rate, it looks cool.
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– Arthur
Oct 14 at 8:23
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Veritasium made a video with touching grapes in a microwave oven. Without having anything to actually back up my claim (I don't remember whether he said anything about things other than grapes), I suspect something similar is happening here. At any rate, it looks cool.
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– Arthur
Oct 14 at 8:23
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Same thing happens with sliced hot dogs.
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– MonkeyZeus
Oct 15 at 15:43
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Same thing happens with sliced hot dogs.
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– MonkeyZeus
Oct 15 at 15:43
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That is not macaroni. As you say, they are shells, or conchiglie. As such, it is also not mac & cheese.
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– Lightness Races with Monica
Oct 15 at 19:46
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That is not macaroni. As you say, they are shells, or conchiglie. As such, it is also not mac & cheese.
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– Lightness Races with Monica
Oct 15 at 19:46
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Fine. Macaroni product and cheese: law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/139.110
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– Tristan
Oct 16 at 17:23
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Fine. Macaroni product and cheese: law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/139.110
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– Tristan
Oct 16 at 17:23
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit There are a ton of regulations on what various foods can be called. Have a look: law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/chapter-I/subchapter-B
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– Tristan
Oct 16 at 17:46
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit There are a ton of regulations on what various foods can be called. Have a look: law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/chapter-I/subchapter-B
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I get the same thing reheating some discs of glazed carrots. And there are several videos of folks doing this intentionally with grapes.
An article published last year in PNAS says this will happen with almost any pair of similarly-sized object with sufficient water. The shape of the pairs appears to set up a resonance that concentrates the electric field at the point where they touch. The higher intensity field there heats the surroundings and burns the food.
answered Oct 14 at 5:11
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The reader should immediately search for images of the phenomenon. It is awesome.
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– Mindwin
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I believe size was also important, but essentially, yes.
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@Mindwin Any suggestion of what search terms to use? "burnt microwave food" doesn't exactly return these depictions.
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– maxathousand
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@maxathousand "microwave grape plasma".
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@BowlOfRed hit on it solidly. The noodles are acting as waveguides, because of their size and shape. Where they meet, a contiguous surface is created, but with a much higher resistivity, as it's a narrow point contact.
Based on a table of refractive indexes and a table of frequency/wavelength, this effect would be especially effective when the total length of the joined area is at a resonance of the base wavelength of 3.54 inches (2.5ghz in air is 12cm, water is more refractive). So if they match in physical dimensions to 3.54 inches, 1.77 inches or 0.885 inches, the effect will channel a decent amount of energy. If that boundary between globules has a high resistance and carries a high amount of energy, it'll dissipate a lot of that energy as heat and light, potentially even creating plasma flashes as in the ideal natural example, the grapes mentioned by @BowlOfRed. Google "Grape Plasma," or just check out this video.
P.S. I don't know how big the Auntie Anne's shells are, but the curved concave shape is probably increasing their actual resonant size by something like 1.5 times. I'm not exactly sure how to work the formula on an irregular or non-ideal shape. Does that sound more like a match?
P.P.S. The YouTube dude captured some awesome shots of arrested plasma. He even talks some of the actual science of it. Trés magnifique!
answered Oct 15 at 14:19
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Note that your table of refractive indices is for visible light. Refractive indices are different at different frequencies (an effect that's noticeable even within the regime of visible light, as we have rainbows). At the 2.5GHz scale, the refractive index of water is closer to 10.
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These are not noodles. They are conchiglie (or "shells"). Noodles are long and thin.
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– Lightness Races with Monica
Oct 15 at 19:48
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, that bugs me too… In the UK, at least, noodles != pasta. (Different composition, shapes, and culinary uses.) But according to Wiktionary, in the US ‘noodle’ has a wider meaning.
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– gidds
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@gidds Interesting. (Horrifying :P)
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– Lightness Races with Monica
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Auntie Anne's are pretzels. The mac and cheese is Annie's ;)
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I'm "fairly confident" that the more esoteric explanations are overly so.
Voltage is induced in closed conducting paths in an RF field (here a complex E-M field with various nodes due to the cavity but that is not a major factor).
AT points of contact the resistance is high and the flowing current creates "i squared R" heating. (Power dissipation = current squared x resistance). This does not requires resonance, appropriate wavelength items or other RF interacting factors.
For a spectacular and odiferously vile effect
Take an OLD and UNWANTED CD or DVD
The CD / DVD will be utterly destroyed in the process.Stand it on a drinking glass or similar in the microwave oven.
Set microwave to 3 to 5 seconds (longer is a mistake)
Go
Superb firestorm in miniature with "sheet lightning across the CD surface.
Do not breathe the fumes. Conclude that it was fun but should have been dome outdoors. Wow!
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I get the same thing reheating some discs of glazed carrots. And there are several videos of folks doing this intentionally with grapes.
An article published last year in PNAS says this will happen with almost any pair of similarly-sized object with sufficient water. The shape of the pairs appears to set up a resonance that concentrates the electric field at the point where they touch. The higher intensity field there heats the surroundings and burns the food.
answered Oct 14 at 5:11
BowlOfRedBowlOfRed
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The reader should immediately search for images of the phenomenon. It is awesome.
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– Mindwin
Oct 14 at 14:56
3
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I believe size was also important, but essentially, yes.
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– Draco18s
Oct 14 at 15:18
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@Mindwin Any suggestion of what search terms to use? "burnt microwave food" doesn't exactly return these depictions.
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– maxathousand
Oct 14 at 17:12
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@maxathousand "microwave grape plasma".
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– Mindwin
Oct 14 at 17:38
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Here is a video which explains this phenomenon and briefly interviews the authors of the mentioned paper for more details.
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– today
Oct 14 at 17:42
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I get the same thing reheating some discs of glazed carrots. And there are several videos of folks doing this intentionally with grapes.
An article published last year in PNAS says this will happen with almost any pair of similarly-sized object with sufficient water. The shape of the pairs appears to set up a resonance that concentrates the electric field at the point where they touch. The higher intensity field there heats the surroundings and burns the food.
answered Oct 14 at 5:11
BowlOfRedBowlOfRed
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The reader should immediately search for images of the phenomenon. It is awesome.
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– Mindwin
Oct 14 at 14:56
3
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I believe size was also important, but essentially, yes.
$endgroup$
– Draco18s
Oct 14 at 15:18
8
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@Mindwin Any suggestion of what search terms to use? "burnt microwave food" doesn't exactly return these depictions.
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– maxathousand
Oct 14 at 17:12
12
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@maxathousand "microwave grape plasma".
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– Mindwin
Oct 14 at 17:38
5
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Here is a video which explains this phenomenon and briefly interviews the authors of the mentioned paper for more details.
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– today
Oct 14 at 17:42
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I get the same thing reheating some discs of glazed carrots. And there are several videos of folks doing this intentionally with grapes.
An article published last year in PNAS says this will happen with almost any pair of similarly-sized object with sufficient water. The shape of the pairs appears to set up a resonance that concentrates the electric field at the point where they touch. The higher intensity field there heats the surroundings and burns the food.
answered Oct 14 at 5:11
BowlOfRedBowlOfRed
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I get the same thing reheating some discs of glazed carrots. And there are several videos of folks doing this intentionally with grapes.
An article published last year in PNAS says this will happen with almost any pair of similarly-sized object with sufficient water. The shape of the pairs appears to set up a resonance that concentrates the electric field at the point where they touch. The higher intensity field there heats the surroundings and burns the food.
answered Oct 14 at 5:11
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answered Oct 14 at 5:11
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answered Oct 14 at 5:11
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The reader should immediately search for images of the phenomenon. It is awesome.
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– Mindwin
Oct 14 at 14:56
3
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I believe size was also important, but essentially, yes.
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– Draco18s
Oct 14 at 15:18
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@Mindwin Any suggestion of what search terms to use? "burnt microwave food" doesn't exactly return these depictions.
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– maxathousand
Oct 14 at 17:12
12
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@maxathousand "microwave grape plasma".
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– Mindwin
Oct 14 at 17:38
5
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Here is a video which explains this phenomenon and briefly interviews the authors of the mentioned paper for more details.
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– today
Oct 14 at 17:42
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show 2 more comments
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The reader should immediately search for images of the phenomenon. It is awesome.
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– Mindwin
Oct 14 at 14:56
3
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I believe size was also important, but essentially, yes.
$endgroup$
– Draco18s
Oct 14 at 15:18
8
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@Mindwin Any suggestion of what search terms to use? "burnt microwave food" doesn't exactly return these depictions.
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– maxathousand
Oct 14 at 17:12
12
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@maxathousand "microwave grape plasma".
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– Mindwin
Oct 14 at 17:38
5
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Here is a video which explains this phenomenon and briefly interviews the authors of the mentioned paper for more details.
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– today
Oct 14 at 17:42
10
10
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The reader should immediately search for images of the phenomenon. It is awesome.
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– Mindwin
Oct 14 at 14:56
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The reader should immediately search for images of the phenomenon. It is awesome.
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– Mindwin
Oct 14 at 14:56
3
3
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I believe size was also important, but essentially, yes.
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– Draco18s
Oct 14 at 15:18
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I believe size was also important, but essentially, yes.
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– Draco18s
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@Mindwin Any suggestion of what search terms to use? "
burnt microwave food" doesn't exactly return these depictions.$endgroup$
– maxathousand
Oct 14 at 17:12
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@Mindwin Any suggestion of what search terms to use? "
burnt microwave food" doesn't exactly return these depictions.$endgroup$
– maxathousand
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@maxathousand "microwave grape plasma".
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– Mindwin
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@maxathousand "microwave grape plasma".
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– Mindwin
Oct 14 at 17:38
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Here is a video which explains this phenomenon and briefly interviews the authors of the mentioned paper for more details.
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– today
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Here is a video which explains this phenomenon and briefly interviews the authors of the mentioned paper for more details.
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@BowlOfRed hit on it solidly. The noodles are acting as waveguides, because of their size and shape. Where they meet, a contiguous surface is created, but with a much higher resistivity, as it's a narrow point contact.
Based on a table of refractive indexes and a table of frequency/wavelength, this effect would be especially effective when the total length of the joined area is at a resonance of the base wavelength of 3.54 inches (2.5ghz in air is 12cm, water is more refractive). So if they match in physical dimensions to 3.54 inches, 1.77 inches or 0.885 inches, the effect will channel a decent amount of energy. If that boundary between globules has a high resistance and carries a high amount of energy, it'll dissipate a lot of that energy as heat and light, potentially even creating plasma flashes as in the ideal natural example, the grapes mentioned by @BowlOfRed. Google "Grape Plasma," or just check out this video.
P.S. I don't know how big the Auntie Anne's shells are, but the curved concave shape is probably increasing their actual resonant size by something like 1.5 times. I'm not exactly sure how to work the formula on an irregular or non-ideal shape. Does that sound more like a match?
P.P.S. The YouTube dude captured some awesome shots of arrested plasma. He even talks some of the actual science of it. Trés magnifique!
answered Oct 15 at 14:19
Sam HughesSam Hughes
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Note that your table of refractive indices is for visible light. Refractive indices are different at different frequencies (an effect that's noticeable even within the regime of visible light, as we have rainbows). At the 2.5GHz scale, the refractive index of water is closer to 10.
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– Arthur
Oct 15 at 14:29
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These are not noodles. They are conchiglie (or "shells"). Noodles are long and thin.
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– Lightness Races with Monica
Oct 15 at 19:48
1
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, that bugs me too… In the UK, at least, noodles != pasta. (Different composition, shapes, and culinary uses.) But according to Wiktionary, in the US ‘noodle’ has a wider meaning.
$endgroup$
– gidds
Oct 16 at 9:36
1
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@gidds Interesting. (Horrifying :P)
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– Lightness Races with Monica
Oct 16 at 11:03
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Auntie Anne's are pretzels. The mac and cheese is Annie's ;)
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– Kyle Delaney
Oct 16 at 17:03
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@BowlOfRed hit on it solidly. The noodles are acting as waveguides, because of their size and shape. Where they meet, a contiguous surface is created, but with a much higher resistivity, as it's a narrow point contact.
Based on a table of refractive indexes and a table of frequency/wavelength, this effect would be especially effective when the total length of the joined area is at a resonance of the base wavelength of 3.54 inches (2.5ghz in air is 12cm, water is more refractive). So if they match in physical dimensions to 3.54 inches, 1.77 inches or 0.885 inches, the effect will channel a decent amount of energy. If that boundary between globules has a high resistance and carries a high amount of energy, it'll dissipate a lot of that energy as heat and light, potentially even creating plasma flashes as in the ideal natural example, the grapes mentioned by @BowlOfRed. Google "Grape Plasma," or just check out this video.
P.S. I don't know how big the Auntie Anne's shells are, but the curved concave shape is probably increasing their actual resonant size by something like 1.5 times. I'm not exactly sure how to work the formula on an irregular or non-ideal shape. Does that sound more like a match?
P.P.S. The YouTube dude captured some awesome shots of arrested plasma. He even talks some of the actual science of it. Trés magnifique!
answered Oct 15 at 14:19
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Note that your table of refractive indices is for visible light. Refractive indices are different at different frequencies (an effect that's noticeable even within the regime of visible light, as we have rainbows). At the 2.5GHz scale, the refractive index of water is closer to 10.
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– Arthur
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These are not noodles. They are conchiglie (or "shells"). Noodles are long and thin.
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– Lightness Races with Monica
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, that bugs me too… In the UK, at least, noodles != pasta. (Different composition, shapes, and culinary uses.) But according to Wiktionary, in the US ‘noodle’ has a wider meaning.
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– gidds
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@gidds Interesting. (Horrifying :P)
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– Lightness Races with Monica
Oct 16 at 11:03
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Auntie Anne's are pretzels. The mac and cheese is Annie's ;)
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– Kyle Delaney
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@BowlOfRed hit on it solidly. The noodles are acting as waveguides, because of their size and shape. Where they meet, a contiguous surface is created, but with a much higher resistivity, as it's a narrow point contact.
Based on a table of refractive indexes and a table of frequency/wavelength, this effect would be especially effective when the total length of the joined area is at a resonance of the base wavelength of 3.54 inches (2.5ghz in air is 12cm, water is more refractive). So if they match in physical dimensions to 3.54 inches, 1.77 inches or 0.885 inches, the effect will channel a decent amount of energy. If that boundary between globules has a high resistance and carries a high amount of energy, it'll dissipate a lot of that energy as heat and light, potentially even creating plasma flashes as in the ideal natural example, the grapes mentioned by @BowlOfRed. Google "Grape Plasma," or just check out this video.
P.S. I don't know how big the Auntie Anne's shells are, but the curved concave shape is probably increasing their actual resonant size by something like 1.5 times. I'm not exactly sure how to work the formula on an irregular or non-ideal shape. Does that sound more like a match?
P.P.S. The YouTube dude captured some awesome shots of arrested plasma. He even talks some of the actual science of it. Trés magnifique!
answered Oct 15 at 14:19
Sam HughesSam Hughes
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@BowlOfRed hit on it solidly. The noodles are acting as waveguides, because of their size and shape. Where they meet, a contiguous surface is created, but with a much higher resistivity, as it's a narrow point contact.
Based on a table of refractive indexes and a table of frequency/wavelength, this effect would be especially effective when the total length of the joined area is at a resonance of the base wavelength of 3.54 inches (2.5ghz in air is 12cm, water is more refractive). So if they match in physical dimensions to 3.54 inches, 1.77 inches or 0.885 inches, the effect will channel a decent amount of energy. If that boundary between globules has a high resistance and carries a high amount of energy, it'll dissipate a lot of that energy as heat and light, potentially even creating plasma flashes as in the ideal natural example, the grapes mentioned by @BowlOfRed. Google "Grape Plasma," or just check out this video.
P.S. I don't know how big the Auntie Anne's shells are, but the curved concave shape is probably increasing their actual resonant size by something like 1.5 times. I'm not exactly sure how to work the formula on an irregular or non-ideal shape. Does that sound more like a match?
P.P.S. The YouTube dude captured some awesome shots of arrested plasma. He even talks some of the actual science of it. Trés magnifique!
answered Oct 15 at 14:19
Sam HughesSam Hughes
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answered Oct 15 at 14:19
Sam HughesSam Hughes
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Note that your table of refractive indices is for visible light. Refractive indices are different at different frequencies (an effect that's noticeable even within the regime of visible light, as we have rainbows). At the 2.5GHz scale, the refractive index of water is closer to 10.
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– Arthur
Oct 15 at 14:29
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These are not noodles. They are conchiglie (or "shells"). Noodles are long and thin.
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– Lightness Races with Monica
Oct 15 at 19:48
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, that bugs me too… In the UK, at least, noodles != pasta. (Different composition, shapes, and culinary uses.) But according to Wiktionary, in the US ‘noodle’ has a wider meaning.
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– gidds
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@gidds Interesting. (Horrifying :P)
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– Lightness Races with Monica
Oct 16 at 11:03
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Auntie Anne's are pretzels. The mac and cheese is Annie's ;)
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– Kyle Delaney
Oct 16 at 17:03
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Note that your table of refractive indices is for visible light. Refractive indices are different at different frequencies (an effect that's noticeable even within the regime of visible light, as we have rainbows). At the 2.5GHz scale, the refractive index of water is closer to 10.
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– Arthur
Oct 15 at 14:29
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These are not noodles. They are conchiglie (or "shells"). Noodles are long and thin.
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– Lightness Races with Monica
Oct 15 at 19:48
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, that bugs me too… In the UK, at least, noodles != pasta. (Different composition, shapes, and culinary uses.) But according to Wiktionary, in the US ‘noodle’ has a wider meaning.
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– gidds
Oct 16 at 9:36
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@gidds Interesting. (Horrifying :P)
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– Lightness Races with Monica
Oct 16 at 11:03
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Auntie Anne's are pretzels. The mac and cheese is Annie's ;)
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– Kyle Delaney
Oct 16 at 17:03
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Note that your table of refractive indices is for visible light. Refractive indices are different at different frequencies (an effect that's noticeable even within the regime of visible light, as we have rainbows). At the 2.5GHz scale, the refractive index of water is closer to 10.
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– Arthur
Oct 15 at 14:29
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Note that your table of refractive indices is for visible light. Refractive indices are different at different frequencies (an effect that's noticeable even within the regime of visible light, as we have rainbows). At the 2.5GHz scale, the refractive index of water is closer to 10.
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– Arthur
Oct 15 at 14:29
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These are not noodles. They are conchiglie (or "shells"). Noodles are long and thin.
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– Lightness Races with Monica
Oct 15 at 19:48
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These are not noodles. They are conchiglie (or "shells"). Noodles are long and thin.
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– Lightness Races with Monica
Oct 15 at 19:48
1
1
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, that bugs me too… In the UK, at least, noodles != pasta. (Different composition, shapes, and culinary uses.) But according to Wiktionary, in the US ‘noodle’ has a wider meaning.
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– gidds
Oct 16 at 9:36
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yes, that bugs me too… In the UK, at least, noodles != pasta. (Different composition, shapes, and culinary uses.) But according to Wiktionary, in the US ‘noodle’ has a wider meaning.
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– gidds
Oct 16 at 9:36
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@gidds Interesting. (Horrifying :P)
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– Lightness Races with Monica
Oct 16 at 11:03
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@gidds Interesting. (Horrifying :P)
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– Lightness Races with Monica
Oct 16 at 11:03
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Auntie Anne's are pretzels. The mac and cheese is Annie's ;)
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– Kyle Delaney
Oct 16 at 17:03
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Auntie Anne's are pretzels. The mac and cheese is Annie's ;)
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I'm "fairly confident" that the more esoteric explanations are overly so.
Voltage is induced in closed conducting paths in an RF field (here a complex E-M field with various nodes due to the cavity but that is not a major factor).
AT points of contact the resistance is high and the flowing current creates "i squared R" heating. (Power dissipation = current squared x resistance). This does not requires resonance, appropriate wavelength items or other RF interacting factors.
For a spectacular and odiferously vile effect
Take an OLD and UNWANTED CD or DVD
The CD / DVD will be utterly destroyed in the process.Stand it on a drinking glass or similar in the microwave oven.
Set microwave to 3 to 5 seconds (longer is a mistake)
Go
Superb firestorm in miniature with "sheet lightning across the CD surface.
Do not breathe the fumes. Conclude that it was fun but should have been dome outdoors. Wow!
answered Oct 16 at 12:36
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I'm "fairly confident" that the more esoteric explanations are overly so.
Voltage is induced in closed conducting paths in an RF field (here a complex E-M field with various nodes due to the cavity but that is not a major factor).
AT points of contact the resistance is high and the flowing current creates "i squared R" heating. (Power dissipation = current squared x resistance). This does not requires resonance, appropriate wavelength items or other RF interacting factors.
For a spectacular and odiferously vile effect
Take an OLD and UNWANTED CD or DVD
The CD / DVD will be utterly destroyed in the process.Stand it on a drinking glass or similar in the microwave oven.
Set microwave to 3 to 5 seconds (longer is a mistake)
Go
Superb firestorm in miniature with "sheet lightning across the CD surface.
Do not breathe the fumes. Conclude that it was fun but should have been dome outdoors. Wow!
answered Oct 16 at 12:36
Russell McMahonRussell McMahon
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I'm "fairly confident" that the more esoteric explanations are overly so.
Voltage is induced in closed conducting paths in an RF field (here a complex E-M field with various nodes due to the cavity but that is not a major factor).
AT points of contact the resistance is high and the flowing current creates "i squared R" heating. (Power dissipation = current squared x resistance). This does not requires resonance, appropriate wavelength items or other RF interacting factors.
For a spectacular and odiferously vile effect
Take an OLD and UNWANTED CD or DVD
The CD / DVD will be utterly destroyed in the process.Stand it on a drinking glass or similar in the microwave oven.
Set microwave to 3 to 5 seconds (longer is a mistake)
Go
Superb firestorm in miniature with "sheet lightning across the CD surface.
Do not breathe the fumes. Conclude that it was fun but should have been dome outdoors. Wow!
answered Oct 16 at 12:36
Russell McMahonRussell McMahon
1,2957 silver badges12 bronze badges
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I'm "fairly confident" that the more esoteric explanations are overly so.
Voltage is induced in closed conducting paths in an RF field (here a complex E-M field with various nodes due to the cavity but that is not a major factor).
AT points of contact the resistance is high and the flowing current creates "i squared R" heating. (Power dissipation = current squared x resistance). This does not requires resonance, appropriate wavelength items or other RF interacting factors.
For a spectacular and odiferously vile effect
Take an OLD and UNWANTED CD or DVD
The CD / DVD will be utterly destroyed in the process.Stand it on a drinking glass or similar in the microwave oven.
Set microwave to 3 to 5 seconds (longer is a mistake)
Go
Superb firestorm in miniature with "sheet lightning across the CD surface.
Do not breathe the fumes. Conclude that it was fun but should have been dome outdoors. Wow!
answered Oct 16 at 12:36
Russell McMahonRussell McMahon
1,2957 silver badges12 bronze badges
answered Oct 16 at 12:36
Russell McMahonRussell McMahon
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answered Oct 16 at 12:36
Russell McMahonRussell McMahon
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answered Oct 16 at 12:36
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Veritasium made a video with touching grapes in a microwave oven. Without having anything to actually back up my claim (I don't remember whether he said anything about things other than grapes), I suspect something similar is happening here. At any rate, it looks cool.
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– Arthur
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Same thing happens with sliced hot dogs.
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– MonkeyZeus
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That is not macaroni. As you say, they are shells, or conchiglie. As such, it is also not mac & cheese.
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Fine. Macaroni product and cheese: law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/139.110
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@LightnessRacesinOrbit There are a ton of regulations on what various foods can be called. Have a look: law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/21/chapter-I/subchapter-B
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