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Intuition for the derivative of the exponential function
Direct proof for convexity of $e^x$Simplifying the expression of exponential and logarithmsDerivative of exponential function proofTotal derivative for a polynomialCan I interpret the exponential of the derivative operator, $e^D$, as infinite shift operators each shifting “infinitesimally”?Minor flaw in understanding of the proof of the derivative of exponential functionsAlternative definition of derivativeOn the Definition of the DerivativeWhy does the derivative of an exponential function depend inherently upon the natural logarithm?Derivative proof involving MVT and Rolle's Theorem
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1. THE PROBLEM
Take the definition of the derivative:
$$fracddxf(x)=lim_hto 0fracf(x+h)-f(x)h$$
Using this definition to calculate the derivative of $e^x$ is not the most trivial thing to do, as one ends up with:
$$fracddxe^x=e^xlim_hto 0frace^h-1h$$
We can finish this off by a change of variables $n=frac1h$.
$$e^xlim_hto 0frace^h-1h=e^xlim_ntoinftyn(e^1/n-1)=e^xcdotln e=e^x$$
Note: the second to last equality holds because of a limit definition of the natural logarithm: $ln x=lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1)$.
As we see, calculating the derivative of the exponential function is not easy with the usual limit definition of the derivative. It requires calculating a limit that is not obvious without knowing a special limit definition of $ln x$.
One can wonder then, are there easier ways of proving that $fracddxe^x=e^x$? Indeed, there are easier ways to prove this. But all of the proofs I have ever seen either assume a taylor series or limit definition of the exponential function, or somehow use the derivative of $ln x$ which itself has similar calculation problems. Finally, the proofs lack deep motivated intuition, and are raw algebraic manipulations for the most part. They prove things well, but they don't explain things well.
Question: is there a way to find the derivative of the exponential function intuitively?
2. POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS
I didn't ask this question without giving it a little thought.
Path A
I figured that one solution to this problem might be by intuituvely explaining how in the world $ln x$ is equal to $lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1)$.
Euler observed, quite unrigorously, that if $epsilon$ is an arbitrarily small number, then:
$$ln(1+epsilon)=epsilon$$
Similarly, if we let $n$ be an arbitrarily large number, we can observe that:
$$x^1/n-1=epsilon$$
Plugging this observation into the first one, we have:
$$ln(x^1/n)=x^1/n-1$$
$$frac1nln x=x^1/n-1$$
$$ln x=n(x^1/n-1)$$
Thus:
$$ln x=lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1)$$
This would almost work as a solution, except for the fact that here we make observations that work for logarithms of all bases. The observation $log_b(1+epsilon)=epsilon$ is valid for all bases $b$. The second observation we made doesn't even relate specifically to logarithms. Thus, the "intuition" in this case assumes that the limit can be equal to a logarithm of any base. This is obviously false; computations evidently show that this limit holds only for $b=e$. And it is not evident at all why it has to be $e$ and nothing else.
This solution will be complete if it can be shown why base $e$ and none other work.
Path B
Another solution to this problem would be noting that the exponential function grows proportionally to its size. The problem with this intuition is that it is not at all evident why would this function follow such a behavior.
The mystery is, how does one start with simple algebraic properties of exponents, which are trivially defined by multiplication, and arrive the conclusion that this function follows its unique growth behavior. It might help to note that exponentiation turns an arithmetic sequence into a geometric sequence.
Id est, if:
$$alpha_n=a+sum^n_1 d$$
$$gamma_n=bprod^n_1 r$$
Then:
$$e^alpha_n=e^a+sum^n_1 d=e^aprod^n_1 e^d=bprod^n_1 r=gamma_n$$
If there is a way to start with basic algebraic facts about exponents and end up (intuitively) with the fact that exponential growth is proportional to its size, we could then justify the fact that $e^x$ is the solution of $y'=y$, $y(0)=1$. From there, we could automatically say that the derivative of the natural exponential is itself.
Caveat: While solving this ODE, there is still a problem because we need to compute the integral of $frac1x$. It turns out that we can intuitively solve this task. We can begin by splitting the area under the curve into n rectangles of equal area $A$, situated between corresponding x coordinates: $x_0, x_1, ..., x_n$. We will then note that:
$$A=y_0(x_1-x_0)=y_1(x_2-x_1)$$
$$fracx_1-x_0x_0=fracx_2-x_1x_1$$
$$fracx_1x_0-1=fracx_2x_1-1$$
$$fracx_1x_0=fracx_2x_1$$
This will generalize to $fracx_nx_n-1=fracx_n+1x_n$. What this means is that, if rectangles are the same area, if we increase the x coordinates geometrically (because the ratio between next and current x coordinate is constant), we increase the area arithmetically. This is precisely what logarithms do, they turn geometric sequences into arithmetic sequences (opposite of the exponentials). Thus, the integral of $frac1x$ will be some kind of logarithm.
The missing bit here, again, is...why is it base e, and not some another base?
Other paths
Those two paths are most likely not the only approaches.
3. MOTIVATION
At this point, I overstressed the word "intuition", and I just wanted to explain myself. I just really love to explore things that are proven symbolically, in a natural way. I might be considered weird for trying to do that so deeply for such a simple derivative, but oh well.
Thank you in advance for any good insights into this problem.
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1. THE PROBLEM
Take the definition of the derivative:
$$fracddxf(x)=lim_hto 0fracf(x+h)-f(x)h$$
Using this definition to calculate the derivative of $e^x$ is not the most trivial thing to do, as one ends up with:
$$fracddxe^x=e^xlim_hto 0frace^h-1h$$
We can finish this off by a change of variables $n=frac1h$.
$$e^xlim_hto 0frace^h-1h=e^xlim_ntoinftyn(e^1/n-1)=e^xcdotln e=e^x$$
Note: the second to last equality holds because of a limit definition of the natural logarithm: $ln x=lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1)$.
As we see, calculating the derivative of the exponential function is not easy with the usual limit definition of the derivative. It requires calculating a limit that is not obvious without knowing a special limit definition of $ln x$.
One can wonder then, are there easier ways of proving that $fracddxe^x=e^x$? Indeed, there are easier ways to prove this. But all of the proofs I have ever seen either assume a taylor series or limit definition of the exponential function, or somehow use the derivative of $ln x$ which itself has similar calculation problems. Finally, the proofs lack deep motivated intuition, and are raw algebraic manipulations for the most part. They prove things well, but they don't explain things well.
Question: is there a way to find the derivative of the exponential function intuitively?
2. POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS
I didn't ask this question without giving it a little thought.
Path A
I figured that one solution to this problem might be by intuituvely explaining how in the world $ln x$ is equal to $lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1)$.
Euler observed, quite unrigorously, that if $epsilon$ is an arbitrarily small number, then:
$$ln(1+epsilon)=epsilon$$
Similarly, if we let $n$ be an arbitrarily large number, we can observe that:
$$x^1/n-1=epsilon$$
Plugging this observation into the first one, we have:
$$ln(x^1/n)=x^1/n-1$$
$$frac1nln x=x^1/n-1$$
$$ln x=n(x^1/n-1)$$
Thus:
$$ln x=lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1)$$
This would almost work as a solution, except for the fact that here we make observations that work for logarithms of all bases. The observation $log_b(1+epsilon)=epsilon$ is valid for all bases $b$. The second observation we made doesn't even relate specifically to logarithms. Thus, the "intuition" in this case assumes that the limit can be equal to a logarithm of any base. This is obviously false; computations evidently show that this limit holds only for $b=e$. And it is not evident at all why it has to be $e$ and nothing else.
This solution will be complete if it can be shown why base $e$ and none other work.
Path B
Another solution to this problem would be noting that the exponential function grows proportionally to its size. The problem with this intuition is that it is not at all evident why would this function follow such a behavior.
The mystery is, how does one start with simple algebraic properties of exponents, which are trivially defined by multiplication, and arrive the conclusion that this function follows its unique growth behavior. It might help to note that exponentiation turns an arithmetic sequence into a geometric sequence.
Id est, if:
$$alpha_n=a+sum^n_1 d$$
$$gamma_n=bprod^n_1 r$$
Then:
$$e^alpha_n=e^a+sum^n_1 d=e^aprod^n_1 e^d=bprod^n_1 r=gamma_n$$
If there is a way to start with basic algebraic facts about exponents and end up (intuitively) with the fact that exponential growth is proportional to its size, we could then justify the fact that $e^x$ is the solution of $y'=y$, $y(0)=1$. From there, we could automatically say that the derivative of the natural exponential is itself.
Caveat: While solving this ODE, there is still a problem because we need to compute the integral of $frac1x$. It turns out that we can intuitively solve this task. We can begin by splitting the area under the curve into n rectangles of equal area $A$, situated between corresponding x coordinates: $x_0, x_1, ..., x_n$. We will then note that:
$$A=y_0(x_1-x_0)=y_1(x_2-x_1)$$
$$fracx_1-x_0x_0=fracx_2-x_1x_1$$
$$fracx_1x_0-1=fracx_2x_1-1$$
$$fracx_1x_0=fracx_2x_1$$
This will generalize to $fracx_nx_n-1=fracx_n+1x_n$. What this means is that, if rectangles are the same area, if we increase the x coordinates geometrically (because the ratio between next and current x coordinate is constant), we increase the area arithmetically. This is precisely what logarithms do, they turn geometric sequences into arithmetic sequences (opposite of the exponentials). Thus, the integral of $frac1x$ will be some kind of logarithm.
The missing bit here, again, is...why is it base e, and not some another base?
Other paths
Those two paths are most likely not the only approaches.
3. MOTIVATION
At this point, I overstressed the word "intuition", and I just wanted to explain myself. I just really love to explore things that are proven symbolically, in a natural way. I might be considered weird for trying to do that so deeply for such a simple derivative, but oh well.
Thank you in advance for any good insights into this problem.
calculus derivatives exponential-function intuition
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You could take the view that $e$ is the solution of $$lim_hto 0fraca^h-1h=1$$ for $a$.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
Oct 15 at 5:04
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What exactly is your definition of $ln$, $exp$, or $a^x$? If you define $ln x = int_1^x fracdtt$ and $exp$ as the inverse function, then $(ln x)' = frac 1x$ and $(exp x)' = exp x$ follows immediately from basic rules.
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– Martin R
Oct 15 at 5:15
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@KKZiomek You've found the explanation yourself: $frac ddxe^x = e^xcdot lim_hto 0frace^h-1h$. This says, quite literally, that the exponential function grows proportional to its size. The matter of why the proportionality constant is exactly $1$ when the base for the exponential is $e$ is, as Lord Shark points out, often seen as the definition of $e$. In other words, $e$ is chosen to be the number such that the proportionality constant is $1$.
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– Arthur
Oct 15 at 13:53
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KKZ, your comment still doesn't contain a definition of $e$. Just saying $ln e=1$ is no help, because you don't define $ln$ properly: $log_b 1$ is $0$ for all bases $b$, not just for $b=e$. And I think that this missing definition is precisely the source of the problems you are having.
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– TonyK
Oct 15 at 14:38
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Do you know e.g. that $frac ddxln f(x)=fracf'(x)f(x)$?
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– Hagen von Eitzen
Oct 15 at 20:57
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show 5 more comments
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1. THE PROBLEM
Take the definition of the derivative:
$$fracddxf(x)=lim_hto 0fracf(x+h)-f(x)h$$
Using this definition to calculate the derivative of $e^x$ is not the most trivial thing to do, as one ends up with:
$$fracddxe^x=e^xlim_hto 0frace^h-1h$$
We can finish this off by a change of variables $n=frac1h$.
$$e^xlim_hto 0frace^h-1h=e^xlim_ntoinftyn(e^1/n-1)=e^xcdotln e=e^x$$
Note: the second to last equality holds because of a limit definition of the natural logarithm: $ln x=lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1)$.
As we see, calculating the derivative of the exponential function is not easy with the usual limit definition of the derivative. It requires calculating a limit that is not obvious without knowing a special limit definition of $ln x$.
One can wonder then, are there easier ways of proving that $fracddxe^x=e^x$? Indeed, there are easier ways to prove this. But all of the proofs I have ever seen either assume a taylor series or limit definition of the exponential function, or somehow use the derivative of $ln x$ which itself has similar calculation problems. Finally, the proofs lack deep motivated intuition, and are raw algebraic manipulations for the most part. They prove things well, but they don't explain things well.
Question: is there a way to find the derivative of the exponential function intuitively?
2. POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS
I didn't ask this question without giving it a little thought.
Path A
I figured that one solution to this problem might be by intuituvely explaining how in the world $ln x$ is equal to $lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1)$.
Euler observed, quite unrigorously, that if $epsilon$ is an arbitrarily small number, then:
$$ln(1+epsilon)=epsilon$$
Similarly, if we let $n$ be an arbitrarily large number, we can observe that:
$$x^1/n-1=epsilon$$
Plugging this observation into the first one, we have:
$$ln(x^1/n)=x^1/n-1$$
$$frac1nln x=x^1/n-1$$
$$ln x=n(x^1/n-1)$$
Thus:
$$ln x=lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1)$$
This would almost work as a solution, except for the fact that here we make observations that work for logarithms of all bases. The observation $log_b(1+epsilon)=epsilon$ is valid for all bases $b$. The second observation we made doesn't even relate specifically to logarithms. Thus, the "intuition" in this case assumes that the limit can be equal to a logarithm of any base. This is obviously false; computations evidently show that this limit holds only for $b=e$. And it is not evident at all why it has to be $e$ and nothing else.
This solution will be complete if it can be shown why base $e$ and none other work.
Path B
Another solution to this problem would be noting that the exponential function grows proportionally to its size. The problem with this intuition is that it is not at all evident why would this function follow such a behavior.
The mystery is, how does one start with simple algebraic properties of exponents, which are trivially defined by multiplication, and arrive the conclusion that this function follows its unique growth behavior. It might help to note that exponentiation turns an arithmetic sequence into a geometric sequence.
Id est, if:
$$alpha_n=a+sum^n_1 d$$
$$gamma_n=bprod^n_1 r$$
Then:
$$e^alpha_n=e^a+sum^n_1 d=e^aprod^n_1 e^d=bprod^n_1 r=gamma_n$$
If there is a way to start with basic algebraic facts about exponents and end up (intuitively) with the fact that exponential growth is proportional to its size, we could then justify the fact that $e^x$ is the solution of $y'=y$, $y(0)=1$. From there, we could automatically say that the derivative of the natural exponential is itself.
Caveat: While solving this ODE, there is still a problem because we need to compute the integral of $frac1x$. It turns out that we can intuitively solve this task. We can begin by splitting the area under the curve into n rectangles of equal area $A$, situated between corresponding x coordinates: $x_0, x_1, ..., x_n$. We will then note that:
$$A=y_0(x_1-x_0)=y_1(x_2-x_1)$$
$$fracx_1-x_0x_0=fracx_2-x_1x_1$$
$$fracx_1x_0-1=fracx_2x_1-1$$
$$fracx_1x_0=fracx_2x_1$$
This will generalize to $fracx_nx_n-1=fracx_n+1x_n$. What this means is that, if rectangles are the same area, if we increase the x coordinates geometrically (because the ratio between next and current x coordinate is constant), we increase the area arithmetically. This is precisely what logarithms do, they turn geometric sequences into arithmetic sequences (opposite of the exponentials). Thus, the integral of $frac1x$ will be some kind of logarithm.
The missing bit here, again, is...why is it base e, and not some another base?
Other paths
Those two paths are most likely not the only approaches.
3. MOTIVATION
At this point, I overstressed the word "intuition", and I just wanted to explain myself. I just really love to explore things that are proven symbolically, in a natural way. I might be considered weird for trying to do that so deeply for such a simple derivative, but oh well.
Thank you in advance for any good insights into this problem.
calculus derivatives exponential-function intuition
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1. THE PROBLEM
Take the definition of the derivative:
$$fracddxf(x)=lim_hto 0fracf(x+h)-f(x)h$$
Using this definition to calculate the derivative of $e^x$ is not the most trivial thing to do, as one ends up with:
$$fracddxe^x=e^xlim_hto 0frace^h-1h$$
We can finish this off by a change of variables $n=frac1h$.
$$e^xlim_hto 0frace^h-1h=e^xlim_ntoinftyn(e^1/n-1)=e^xcdotln e=e^x$$
Note: the second to last equality holds because of a limit definition of the natural logarithm: $ln x=lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1)$.
As we see, calculating the derivative of the exponential function is not easy with the usual limit definition of the derivative. It requires calculating a limit that is not obvious without knowing a special limit definition of $ln x$.
One can wonder then, are there easier ways of proving that $fracddxe^x=e^x$? Indeed, there are easier ways to prove this. But all of the proofs I have ever seen either assume a taylor series or limit definition of the exponential function, or somehow use the derivative of $ln x$ which itself has similar calculation problems. Finally, the proofs lack deep motivated intuition, and are raw algebraic manipulations for the most part. They prove things well, but they don't explain things well.
Question: is there a way to find the derivative of the exponential function intuitively?
2. POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS
I didn't ask this question without giving it a little thought.
Path A
I figured that one solution to this problem might be by intuituvely explaining how in the world $ln x$ is equal to $lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1)$.
Euler observed, quite unrigorously, that if $epsilon$ is an arbitrarily small number, then:
$$ln(1+epsilon)=epsilon$$
Similarly, if we let $n$ be an arbitrarily large number, we can observe that:
$$x^1/n-1=epsilon$$
Plugging this observation into the first one, we have:
$$ln(x^1/n)=x^1/n-1$$
$$frac1nln x=x^1/n-1$$
$$ln x=n(x^1/n-1)$$
Thus:
$$ln x=lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1)$$
This would almost work as a solution, except for the fact that here we make observations that work for logarithms of all bases. The observation $log_b(1+epsilon)=epsilon$ is valid for all bases $b$. The second observation we made doesn't even relate specifically to logarithms. Thus, the "intuition" in this case assumes that the limit can be equal to a logarithm of any base. This is obviously false; computations evidently show that this limit holds only for $b=e$. And it is not evident at all why it has to be $e$ and nothing else.
This solution will be complete if it can be shown why base $e$ and none other work.
Path B
Another solution to this problem would be noting that the exponential function grows proportionally to its size. The problem with this intuition is that it is not at all evident why would this function follow such a behavior.
The mystery is, how does one start with simple algebraic properties of exponents, which are trivially defined by multiplication, and arrive the conclusion that this function follows its unique growth behavior. It might help to note that exponentiation turns an arithmetic sequence into a geometric sequence.
Id est, if:
$$alpha_n=a+sum^n_1 d$$
$$gamma_n=bprod^n_1 r$$
Then:
$$e^alpha_n=e^a+sum^n_1 d=e^aprod^n_1 e^d=bprod^n_1 r=gamma_n$$
If there is a way to start with basic algebraic facts about exponents and end up (intuitively) with the fact that exponential growth is proportional to its size, we could then justify the fact that $e^x$ is the solution of $y'=y$, $y(0)=1$. From there, we could automatically say that the derivative of the natural exponential is itself.
Caveat: While solving this ODE, there is still a problem because we need to compute the integral of $frac1x$. It turns out that we can intuitively solve this task. We can begin by splitting the area under the curve into n rectangles of equal area $A$, situated between corresponding x coordinates: $x_0, x_1, ..., x_n$. We will then note that:
$$A=y_0(x_1-x_0)=y_1(x_2-x_1)$$
$$fracx_1-x_0x_0=fracx_2-x_1x_1$$
$$fracx_1x_0-1=fracx_2x_1-1$$
$$fracx_1x_0=fracx_2x_1$$
This will generalize to $fracx_nx_n-1=fracx_n+1x_n$. What this means is that, if rectangles are the same area, if we increase the x coordinates geometrically (because the ratio between next and current x coordinate is constant), we increase the area arithmetically. This is precisely what logarithms do, they turn geometric sequences into arithmetic sequences (opposite of the exponentials). Thus, the integral of $frac1x$ will be some kind of logarithm.
The missing bit here, again, is...why is it base e, and not some another base?
Other paths
Those two paths are most likely not the only approaches.
3. MOTIVATION
At this point, I overstressed the word "intuition", and I just wanted to explain myself. I just really love to explore things that are proven symbolically, in a natural way. I might be considered weird for trying to do that so deeply for such a simple derivative, but oh well.
Thank you in advance for any good insights into this problem.
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You could take the view that $e$ is the solution of $$lim_hto 0fraca^h-1h=1$$ for $a$.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
Oct 15 at 5:04
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What exactly is your definition of $ln$, $exp$, or $a^x$? If you define $ln x = int_1^x fracdtt$ and $exp$ as the inverse function, then $(ln x)' = frac 1x$ and $(exp x)' = exp x$ follows immediately from basic rules.
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– Martin R
Oct 15 at 5:15
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@KKZiomek You've found the explanation yourself: $frac ddxe^x = e^xcdot lim_hto 0frace^h-1h$. This says, quite literally, that the exponential function grows proportional to its size. The matter of why the proportionality constant is exactly $1$ when the base for the exponential is $e$ is, as Lord Shark points out, often seen as the definition of $e$. In other words, $e$ is chosen to be the number such that the proportionality constant is $1$.
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– Arthur
Oct 15 at 13:53
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KKZ, your comment still doesn't contain a definition of $e$. Just saying $ln e=1$ is no help, because you don't define $ln$ properly: $log_b 1$ is $0$ for all bases $b$, not just for $b=e$. And I think that this missing definition is precisely the source of the problems you are having.
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– TonyK
Oct 15 at 14:38
1
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Do you know e.g. that $frac ddxln f(x)=fracf'(x)f(x)$?
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– Hagen von Eitzen
Oct 15 at 20:57
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show 5 more comments
5
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You could take the view that $e$ is the solution of $$lim_hto 0fraca^h-1h=1$$ for $a$.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
Oct 15 at 5:04
10
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What exactly is your definition of $ln$, $exp$, or $a^x$? If you define $ln x = int_1^x fracdtt$ and $exp$ as the inverse function, then $(ln x)' = frac 1x$ and $(exp x)' = exp x$ follows immediately from basic rules.
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– Martin R
Oct 15 at 5:15
4
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@KKZiomek You've found the explanation yourself: $frac ddxe^x = e^xcdot lim_hto 0frace^h-1h$. This says, quite literally, that the exponential function grows proportional to its size. The matter of why the proportionality constant is exactly $1$ when the base for the exponential is $e$ is, as Lord Shark points out, often seen as the definition of $e$. In other words, $e$ is chosen to be the number such that the proportionality constant is $1$.
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– Arthur
Oct 15 at 13:53
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KKZ, your comment still doesn't contain a definition of $e$. Just saying $ln e=1$ is no help, because you don't define $ln$ properly: $log_b 1$ is $0$ for all bases $b$, not just for $b=e$. And I think that this missing definition is precisely the source of the problems you are having.
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– TonyK
Oct 15 at 14:38
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Do you know e.g. that $frac ddxln f(x)=fracf'(x)f(x)$?
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– Hagen von Eitzen
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You could take the view that $e$ is the solution of $$lim_hto 0fraca^h-1h=1$$ for $a$.
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– Lord Shark the Unknown
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You could take the view that $e$ is the solution of $$lim_hto 0fraca^h-1h=1$$ for $a$.
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What exactly is your definition of $ln$, $exp$, or $a^x$? If you define $ln x = int_1^x fracdtt$ and $exp$ as the inverse function, then $(ln x)' = frac 1x$ and $(exp x)' = exp x$ follows immediately from basic rules.
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– Martin R
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What exactly is your definition of $ln$, $exp$, or $a^x$? If you define $ln x = int_1^x fracdtt$ and $exp$ as the inverse function, then $(ln x)' = frac 1x$ and $(exp x)' = exp x$ follows immediately from basic rules.
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– Martin R
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@KKZiomek You've found the explanation yourself: $frac ddxe^x = e^xcdot lim_hto 0frace^h-1h$. This says, quite literally, that the exponential function grows proportional to its size. The matter of why the proportionality constant is exactly $1$ when the base for the exponential is $e$ is, as Lord Shark points out, often seen as the definition of $e$. In other words, $e$ is chosen to be the number such that the proportionality constant is $1$.
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– Arthur
Oct 15 at 13:53
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@KKZiomek You've found the explanation yourself: $frac ddxe^x = e^xcdot lim_hto 0frace^h-1h$. This says, quite literally, that the exponential function grows proportional to its size. The matter of why the proportionality constant is exactly $1$ when the base for the exponential is $e$ is, as Lord Shark points out, often seen as the definition of $e$. In other words, $e$ is chosen to be the number such that the proportionality constant is $1$.
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– Arthur
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KKZ, your comment still doesn't contain a definition of $e$. Just saying $ln e=1$ is no help, because you don't define $ln$ properly: $log_b 1$ is $0$ for all bases $b$, not just for $b=e$. And I think that this missing definition is precisely the source of the problems you are having.
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– TonyK
Oct 15 at 14:38
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KKZ, your comment still doesn't contain a definition of $e$. Just saying $ln e=1$ is no help, because you don't define $ln$ properly: $log_b 1$ is $0$ for all bases $b$, not just for $b=e$. And I think that this missing definition is precisely the source of the problems you are having.
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– TonyK
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Do you know e.g. that $frac ddxln f(x)=fracf'(x)f(x)$?
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– Hagen von Eitzen
Oct 15 at 20:57
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Do you know e.g. that $frac ddxln f(x)=fracf'(x)f(x)$?
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– Hagen von Eitzen
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This might not exactly be the type of answer you are looking for, but I think it's accurate so I'm writing it here anyway. Often in math, we can encounter objects with multiple (provably equivalent) definitions, some more natural than others, and some can be better in giving an intuitive insight into how the object in question works. Once we've chosen a definition, the others can then be proven as theorems.
If I guess correctly, your definition of the exponential function $exp$ is given by first defining
$$log(x)=lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1),$$
and then defining $exp$ to be the inverse function of the logarithm. But this is not a very enlightening definition. A much more common definition would literally be that $exp$ is the unique function $f:mathbb Rtomathbb R$ satisfying $f'(x)=f(x)$ for all $x$, and $f(0)=1$. Proving such a function exists and is unique takes some work, then showing that this is indeed equivalent to your definition takes some more. But once this is done, we can then accept, as a fact, that $exp$ is the function that is meant to satisfy $exp'=exp$. We can define this in multiple ways, but this is the core property that is central to the exponential function---some might say, the defining property of the exponential function.
So your question is:
Are there easier ways of proving that $dfracddxe^x=e^x$?
I would say yes: by assuming it is the case, by taking it to be true by definition. Showing that other definitions are equivalent to this definition is nontrivial and needs to be done of course, but as you observed might not necessarily be very intuitive or give much insight. To understand what the exponential function is deeply, this definition is the way to go.
To show that the definition $fracddxe^x=e^x$ is equivalent to the "arithmetic definition" $e^a+b=e^ae^b$ is an interesting problem. To go from the former to the latter, see the link provided by KM101 in the comments. On the other hand, let's try to start from the latter and try to go to the former. Now, differentiation deals with the "local growth rate" of a function with response to small changes in $x$, and we have an additive definition, so we consider
$$exp(x+Delta x)=exp(x)exp(Delta x)$$
for a small $Delta x>0$. Now in the definition of the derivative, we consider
$$exp(x)lim_Delta xto 0left(fracexp(Delta x)-1Delta xright).$$
To show that this is indeed $exp(x)$, all we need to do is to show that the latter limit is $1$. Note that the limit is actually just $exp'(0)$. Consider what we've done so far: we've reduced the proof of $exp'=exp$, which is information regarding the "growth rate" of $exp$ globally, into the proof of just $exp'(0)=1$, at a single point!
So how can we prove this, knowing just $exp(a+b)=exp(a)exp(b)$? Well... unfortunately we can't. See, if we define $f'(0)=k$ for any arbitrary real number $k$, where $f$ satisfies $f(a+b)=f(a)f(b)$, we will get a perfectly well-defined function $f$ (you can try to show this). But when we make the choice that $f'(0)=1$ (or in other words $k=1$), then we end up with a function which is its own derivative. Indeed, this is the property that motivates the choice $f'(0)=1$.
In hindsight, if $f'(0)=k$ and $f(a+b)=f(a)f(b)$ for all $a,b$, we can describe $f$ in general: it is simply $f(x)=e^kx$.
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That's the thing I'm debating with in my head. I use the diff eq definition of the exponential all the time when I try to justify things intuitively in my head. But then, thinking deeper I realized there's a big abyss between the standard arithmetic definition of exponentials and the fact that y'=y. The only thing shared between those two approaches is that y(0)=1, which is trivial. What is not trivial though, is the question, why are the two definitions equivalent? Why does a function that grows proportionally to itself have the algebraic property of $e^a+b=e^ae^b$ and/or vice versa?
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– KKZiomek
Oct 15 at 5:33
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The main answer here gives a great explanation of why the property $exp(a)exp(b) = exp(a+b)$ (in addition to the other arithmetic properties) follows from the definition $fracmathrm dmathrm dx exp(x) = exp(x)$.
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– KM101
Oct 15 at 5:45
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@KKZiomek I've added a bit into my answer, please check if that answers your question.
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– YiFan
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One fairly elementary way to approach this -- elementary enough that it's the way it was approached at the secondary school (= high school) I went to -- is to begin by defining the logarithm rather than the exponential. You say $log x=int_1^x1/t dt$ from which it immediately follows that the derivative of $log x$ is $1/x$, you prove that $log(ab)=log a+log b$ by a simple geometrical argument and $log 1=0$ by inspection, and now you've got a nice log function and know its derivative. Then you define exp to be the inverse of log; you know it behaves like an exponential because you know log behaves like a logarithm; and now the derivative of exp is a trivial calculation using the already-known derivative of log.
(Personally I think I prefer to take YiFan's approach and begin by defining exp in terms of the ODE it satisfies. But the above works pretty well.)
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Actually, your and YiFan's approach are equivalent. It is almost trivial from the integral definition to show that $log x$ is 1-1, and thus it follows by the FTC that the inverse function $exp$ satisfies the ODE. The advantage of the integral definition is that existence of $log$ is obvious to students as soon as they've studied the basic properties of integration. The existence of a solution for the ODE takes much more development.
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– Paul Sinclair
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Obviously any two approaches are equivalent in some sense, given that there's only one exp and only one log :-).
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– Gareth McCaughan
Oct 15 at 16:49
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True - perhaps I should have said "almost the same".
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– Paul Sinclair
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I really like this answer too. If I could, I would make both of those best answers
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If you can accept the derivative of $ln x$ then this might provide "some" intuition.
$$
y=e^x Rightarrow \
ln y = x Rightarrow \
fracy 'y = 1 Rightarrow \
y' = y = e^x
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Another intuitive approch is to consider $g(x)=2^x$, $h(x)=3^x$ and since by convexity of the exponential function
- $frac12<g'(0)<1$
- $frac23<h'(0)<2$
we have that there exists $2<e<3$ such that for $f(x)=e^x$
$$ f'(0)=lim_xto 0frace^x-1x=1$$
and therefore $forall x_0inmathbb R$
$$ f'(x_0)=lim_xto x_0frace^x-e^x_0x-x_0=e^x_0cdot lim_(x-x_0)to 0frace^(x-x_0)-1x-x_0=e^x_0$$
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The exponential function of base e is defined as the (monovariable real) function equal to the value of its first derivative for any value of x.
You are trying to prove the definition.
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This might not exactly be the type of answer you are looking for, but I think it's accurate so I'm writing it here anyway. Often in math, we can encounter objects with multiple (provably equivalent) definitions, some more natural than others, and some can be better in giving an intuitive insight into how the object in question works. Once we've chosen a definition, the others can then be proven as theorems.
If I guess correctly, your definition of the exponential function $exp$ is given by first defining
$$log(x)=lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1),$$
and then defining $exp$ to be the inverse function of the logarithm. But this is not a very enlightening definition. A much more common definition would literally be that $exp$ is the unique function $f:mathbb Rtomathbb R$ satisfying $f'(x)=f(x)$ for all $x$, and $f(0)=1$. Proving such a function exists and is unique takes some work, then showing that this is indeed equivalent to your definition takes some more. But once this is done, we can then accept, as a fact, that $exp$ is the function that is meant to satisfy $exp'=exp$. We can define this in multiple ways, but this is the core property that is central to the exponential function---some might say, the defining property of the exponential function.
So your question is:
Are there easier ways of proving that $dfracddxe^x=e^x$?
I would say yes: by assuming it is the case, by taking it to be true by definition. Showing that other definitions are equivalent to this definition is nontrivial and needs to be done of course, but as you observed might not necessarily be very intuitive or give much insight. To understand what the exponential function is deeply, this definition is the way to go.
To show that the definition $fracddxe^x=e^x$ is equivalent to the "arithmetic definition" $e^a+b=e^ae^b$ is an interesting problem. To go from the former to the latter, see the link provided by KM101 in the comments. On the other hand, let's try to start from the latter and try to go to the former. Now, differentiation deals with the "local growth rate" of a function with response to small changes in $x$, and we have an additive definition, so we consider
$$exp(x+Delta x)=exp(x)exp(Delta x)$$
for a small $Delta x>0$. Now in the definition of the derivative, we consider
$$exp(x)lim_Delta xto 0left(fracexp(Delta x)-1Delta xright).$$
To show that this is indeed $exp(x)$, all we need to do is to show that the latter limit is $1$. Note that the limit is actually just $exp'(0)$. Consider what we've done so far: we've reduced the proof of $exp'=exp$, which is information regarding the "growth rate" of $exp$ globally, into the proof of just $exp'(0)=1$, at a single point!
So how can we prove this, knowing just $exp(a+b)=exp(a)exp(b)$? Well... unfortunately we can't. See, if we define $f'(0)=k$ for any arbitrary real number $k$, where $f$ satisfies $f(a+b)=f(a)f(b)$, we will get a perfectly well-defined function $f$ (you can try to show this). But when we make the choice that $f'(0)=1$ (or in other words $k=1$), then we end up with a function which is its own derivative. Indeed, this is the property that motivates the choice $f'(0)=1$.
In hindsight, if $f'(0)=k$ and $f(a+b)=f(a)f(b)$ for all $a,b$, we can describe $f$ in general: it is simply $f(x)=e^kx$.
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That's the thing I'm debating with in my head. I use the diff eq definition of the exponential all the time when I try to justify things intuitively in my head. But then, thinking deeper I realized there's a big abyss between the standard arithmetic definition of exponentials and the fact that y'=y. The only thing shared between those two approaches is that y(0)=1, which is trivial. What is not trivial though, is the question, why are the two definitions equivalent? Why does a function that grows proportionally to itself have the algebraic property of $e^a+b=e^ae^b$ and/or vice versa?
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– KKZiomek
Oct 15 at 5:33
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The main answer here gives a great explanation of why the property $exp(a)exp(b) = exp(a+b)$ (in addition to the other arithmetic properties) follows from the definition $fracmathrm dmathrm dx exp(x) = exp(x)$.
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– KM101
Oct 15 at 5:45
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@KKZiomek I've added a bit into my answer, please check if that answers your question.
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– YiFan
Oct 15 at 5:48
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This might not exactly be the type of answer you are looking for, but I think it's accurate so I'm writing it here anyway. Often in math, we can encounter objects with multiple (provably equivalent) definitions, some more natural than others, and some can be better in giving an intuitive insight into how the object in question works. Once we've chosen a definition, the others can then be proven as theorems.
If I guess correctly, your definition of the exponential function $exp$ is given by first defining
$$log(x)=lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1),$$
and then defining $exp$ to be the inverse function of the logarithm. But this is not a very enlightening definition. A much more common definition would literally be that $exp$ is the unique function $f:mathbb Rtomathbb R$ satisfying $f'(x)=f(x)$ for all $x$, and $f(0)=1$. Proving such a function exists and is unique takes some work, then showing that this is indeed equivalent to your definition takes some more. But once this is done, we can then accept, as a fact, that $exp$ is the function that is meant to satisfy $exp'=exp$. We can define this in multiple ways, but this is the core property that is central to the exponential function---some might say, the defining property of the exponential function.
So your question is:
Are there easier ways of proving that $dfracddxe^x=e^x$?
I would say yes: by assuming it is the case, by taking it to be true by definition. Showing that other definitions are equivalent to this definition is nontrivial and needs to be done of course, but as you observed might not necessarily be very intuitive or give much insight. To understand what the exponential function is deeply, this definition is the way to go.
To show that the definition $fracddxe^x=e^x$ is equivalent to the "arithmetic definition" $e^a+b=e^ae^b$ is an interesting problem. To go from the former to the latter, see the link provided by KM101 in the comments. On the other hand, let's try to start from the latter and try to go to the former. Now, differentiation deals with the "local growth rate" of a function with response to small changes in $x$, and we have an additive definition, so we consider
$$exp(x+Delta x)=exp(x)exp(Delta x)$$
for a small $Delta x>0$. Now in the definition of the derivative, we consider
$$exp(x)lim_Delta xto 0left(fracexp(Delta x)-1Delta xright).$$
To show that this is indeed $exp(x)$, all we need to do is to show that the latter limit is $1$. Note that the limit is actually just $exp'(0)$. Consider what we've done so far: we've reduced the proof of $exp'=exp$, which is information regarding the "growth rate" of $exp$ globally, into the proof of just $exp'(0)=1$, at a single point!
So how can we prove this, knowing just $exp(a+b)=exp(a)exp(b)$? Well... unfortunately we can't. See, if we define $f'(0)=k$ for any arbitrary real number $k$, where $f$ satisfies $f(a+b)=f(a)f(b)$, we will get a perfectly well-defined function $f$ (you can try to show this). But when we make the choice that $f'(0)=1$ (or in other words $k=1$), then we end up with a function which is its own derivative. Indeed, this is the property that motivates the choice $f'(0)=1$.
In hindsight, if $f'(0)=k$ and $f(a+b)=f(a)f(b)$ for all $a,b$, we can describe $f$ in general: it is simply $f(x)=e^kx$.
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That's the thing I'm debating with in my head. I use the diff eq definition of the exponential all the time when I try to justify things intuitively in my head. But then, thinking deeper I realized there's a big abyss between the standard arithmetic definition of exponentials and the fact that y'=y. The only thing shared between those two approaches is that y(0)=1, which is trivial. What is not trivial though, is the question, why are the two definitions equivalent? Why does a function that grows proportionally to itself have the algebraic property of $e^a+b=e^ae^b$ and/or vice versa?
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– KKZiomek
Oct 15 at 5:33
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The main answer here gives a great explanation of why the property $exp(a)exp(b) = exp(a+b)$ (in addition to the other arithmetic properties) follows from the definition $fracmathrm dmathrm dx exp(x) = exp(x)$.
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– KM101
Oct 15 at 5:45
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@KKZiomek I've added a bit into my answer, please check if that answers your question.
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– YiFan
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This might not exactly be the type of answer you are looking for, but I think it's accurate so I'm writing it here anyway. Often in math, we can encounter objects with multiple (provably equivalent) definitions, some more natural than others, and some can be better in giving an intuitive insight into how the object in question works. Once we've chosen a definition, the others can then be proven as theorems.
If I guess correctly, your definition of the exponential function $exp$ is given by first defining
$$log(x)=lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1),$$
and then defining $exp$ to be the inverse function of the logarithm. But this is not a very enlightening definition. A much more common definition would literally be that $exp$ is the unique function $f:mathbb Rtomathbb R$ satisfying $f'(x)=f(x)$ for all $x$, and $f(0)=1$. Proving such a function exists and is unique takes some work, then showing that this is indeed equivalent to your definition takes some more. But once this is done, we can then accept, as a fact, that $exp$ is the function that is meant to satisfy $exp'=exp$. We can define this in multiple ways, but this is the core property that is central to the exponential function---some might say, the defining property of the exponential function.
So your question is:
Are there easier ways of proving that $dfracddxe^x=e^x$?
I would say yes: by assuming it is the case, by taking it to be true by definition. Showing that other definitions are equivalent to this definition is nontrivial and needs to be done of course, but as you observed might not necessarily be very intuitive or give much insight. To understand what the exponential function is deeply, this definition is the way to go.
To show that the definition $fracddxe^x=e^x$ is equivalent to the "arithmetic definition" $e^a+b=e^ae^b$ is an interesting problem. To go from the former to the latter, see the link provided by KM101 in the comments. On the other hand, let's try to start from the latter and try to go to the former. Now, differentiation deals with the "local growth rate" of a function with response to small changes in $x$, and we have an additive definition, so we consider
$$exp(x+Delta x)=exp(x)exp(Delta x)$$
for a small $Delta x>0$. Now in the definition of the derivative, we consider
$$exp(x)lim_Delta xto 0left(fracexp(Delta x)-1Delta xright).$$
To show that this is indeed $exp(x)$, all we need to do is to show that the latter limit is $1$. Note that the limit is actually just $exp'(0)$. Consider what we've done so far: we've reduced the proof of $exp'=exp$, which is information regarding the "growth rate" of $exp$ globally, into the proof of just $exp'(0)=1$, at a single point!
So how can we prove this, knowing just $exp(a+b)=exp(a)exp(b)$? Well... unfortunately we can't. See, if we define $f'(0)=k$ for any arbitrary real number $k$, where $f$ satisfies $f(a+b)=f(a)f(b)$, we will get a perfectly well-defined function $f$ (you can try to show this). But when we make the choice that $f'(0)=1$ (or in other words $k=1$), then we end up with a function which is its own derivative. Indeed, this is the property that motivates the choice $f'(0)=1$.
In hindsight, if $f'(0)=k$ and $f(a+b)=f(a)f(b)$ for all $a,b$, we can describe $f$ in general: it is simply $f(x)=e^kx$.
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This might not exactly be the type of answer you are looking for, but I think it's accurate so I'm writing it here anyway. Often in math, we can encounter objects with multiple (provably equivalent) definitions, some more natural than others, and some can be better in giving an intuitive insight into how the object in question works. Once we've chosen a definition, the others can then be proven as theorems.
If I guess correctly, your definition of the exponential function $exp$ is given by first defining
$$log(x)=lim_ntoinftyn(x^1/n-1),$$
and then defining $exp$ to be the inverse function of the logarithm. But this is not a very enlightening definition. A much more common definition would literally be that $exp$ is the unique function $f:mathbb Rtomathbb R$ satisfying $f'(x)=f(x)$ for all $x$, and $f(0)=1$. Proving such a function exists and is unique takes some work, then showing that this is indeed equivalent to your definition takes some more. But once this is done, we can then accept, as a fact, that $exp$ is the function that is meant to satisfy $exp'=exp$. We can define this in multiple ways, but this is the core property that is central to the exponential function---some might say, the defining property of the exponential function.
So your question is:
Are there easier ways of proving that $dfracddxe^x=e^x$?
I would say yes: by assuming it is the case, by taking it to be true by definition. Showing that other definitions are equivalent to this definition is nontrivial and needs to be done of course, but as you observed might not necessarily be very intuitive or give much insight. To understand what the exponential function is deeply, this definition is the way to go.
To show that the definition $fracddxe^x=e^x$ is equivalent to the "arithmetic definition" $e^a+b=e^ae^b$ is an interesting problem. To go from the former to the latter, see the link provided by KM101 in the comments. On the other hand, let's try to start from the latter and try to go to the former. Now, differentiation deals with the "local growth rate" of a function with response to small changes in $x$, and we have an additive definition, so we consider
$$exp(x+Delta x)=exp(x)exp(Delta x)$$
for a small $Delta x>0$. Now in the definition of the derivative, we consider
$$exp(x)lim_Delta xto 0left(fracexp(Delta x)-1Delta xright).$$
To show that this is indeed $exp(x)$, all we need to do is to show that the latter limit is $1$. Note that the limit is actually just $exp'(0)$. Consider what we've done so far: we've reduced the proof of $exp'=exp$, which is information regarding the "growth rate" of $exp$ globally, into the proof of just $exp'(0)=1$, at a single point!
So how can we prove this, knowing just $exp(a+b)=exp(a)exp(b)$? Well... unfortunately we can't. See, if we define $f'(0)=k$ for any arbitrary real number $k$, where $f$ satisfies $f(a+b)=f(a)f(b)$, we will get a perfectly well-defined function $f$ (you can try to show this). But when we make the choice that $f'(0)=1$ (or in other words $k=1$), then we end up with a function which is its own derivative. Indeed, this is the property that motivates the choice $f'(0)=1$.
In hindsight, if $f'(0)=k$ and $f(a+b)=f(a)f(b)$ for all $a,b$, we can describe $f$ in general: it is simply $f(x)=e^kx$.
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That's the thing I'm debating with in my head. I use the diff eq definition of the exponential all the time when I try to justify things intuitively in my head. But then, thinking deeper I realized there's a big abyss between the standard arithmetic definition of exponentials and the fact that y'=y. The only thing shared between those two approaches is that y(0)=1, which is trivial. What is not trivial though, is the question, why are the two definitions equivalent? Why does a function that grows proportionally to itself have the algebraic property of $e^a+b=e^ae^b$ and/or vice versa?
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– KKZiomek
Oct 15 at 5:33
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The main answer here gives a great explanation of why the property $exp(a)exp(b) = exp(a+b)$ (in addition to the other arithmetic properties) follows from the definition $fracmathrm dmathrm dx exp(x) = exp(x)$.
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– KM101
Oct 15 at 5:45
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@KKZiomek I've added a bit into my answer, please check if that answers your question.
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That's the thing I'm debating with in my head. I use the diff eq definition of the exponential all the time when I try to justify things intuitively in my head. But then, thinking deeper I realized there's a big abyss between the standard arithmetic definition of exponentials and the fact that y'=y. The only thing shared between those two approaches is that y(0)=1, which is trivial. What is not trivial though, is the question, why are the two definitions equivalent? Why does a function that grows proportionally to itself have the algebraic property of $e^a+b=e^ae^b$ and/or vice versa?
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– KKZiomek
Oct 15 at 5:33
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The main answer here gives a great explanation of why the property $exp(a)exp(b) = exp(a+b)$ (in addition to the other arithmetic properties) follows from the definition $fracmathrm dmathrm dx exp(x) = exp(x)$.
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– KM101
Oct 15 at 5:45
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@KKZiomek I've added a bit into my answer, please check if that answers your question.
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– YiFan
Oct 15 at 5:48
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That's the thing I'm debating with in my head. I use the diff eq definition of the exponential all the time when I try to justify things intuitively in my head. But then, thinking deeper I realized there's a big abyss between the standard arithmetic definition of exponentials and the fact that y'=y. The only thing shared between those two approaches is that y(0)=1, which is trivial. What is not trivial though, is the question, why are the two definitions equivalent? Why does a function that grows proportionally to itself have the algebraic property of $e^a+b=e^ae^b$ and/or vice versa?
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– KKZiomek
Oct 15 at 5:33
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That's the thing I'm debating with in my head. I use the diff eq definition of the exponential all the time when I try to justify things intuitively in my head. But then, thinking deeper I realized there's a big abyss between the standard arithmetic definition of exponentials and the fact that y'=y. The only thing shared between those two approaches is that y(0)=1, which is trivial. What is not trivial though, is the question, why are the two definitions equivalent? Why does a function that grows proportionally to itself have the algebraic property of $e^a+b=e^ae^b$ and/or vice versa?
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– KKZiomek
Oct 15 at 5:33
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The main answer here gives a great explanation of why the property $exp(a)exp(b) = exp(a+b)$ (in addition to the other arithmetic properties) follows from the definition $fracmathrm dmathrm dx exp(x) = exp(x)$.
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– KM101
Oct 15 at 5:45
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The main answer here gives a great explanation of why the property $exp(a)exp(b) = exp(a+b)$ (in addition to the other arithmetic properties) follows from the definition $fracmathrm dmathrm dx exp(x) = exp(x)$.
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– KM101
Oct 15 at 5:45
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@KKZiomek I've added a bit into my answer, please check if that answers your question.
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– YiFan
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@KKZiomek I've added a bit into my answer, please check if that answers your question.
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One fairly elementary way to approach this -- elementary enough that it's the way it was approached at the secondary school (= high school) I went to -- is to begin by defining the logarithm rather than the exponential. You say $log x=int_1^x1/t dt$ from which it immediately follows that the derivative of $log x$ is $1/x$, you prove that $log(ab)=log a+log b$ by a simple geometrical argument and $log 1=0$ by inspection, and now you've got a nice log function and know its derivative. Then you define exp to be the inverse of log; you know it behaves like an exponential because you know log behaves like a logarithm; and now the derivative of exp is a trivial calculation using the already-known derivative of log.
(Personally I think I prefer to take YiFan's approach and begin by defining exp in terms of the ODE it satisfies. But the above works pretty well.)
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Actually, your and YiFan's approach are equivalent. It is almost trivial from the integral definition to show that $log x$ is 1-1, and thus it follows by the FTC that the inverse function $exp$ satisfies the ODE. The advantage of the integral definition is that existence of $log$ is obvious to students as soon as they've studied the basic properties of integration. The existence of a solution for the ODE takes much more development.
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– Paul Sinclair
Oct 15 at 16:30
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Obviously any two approaches are equivalent in some sense, given that there's only one exp and only one log :-).
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– Gareth McCaughan
Oct 15 at 16:49
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True - perhaps I should have said "almost the same".
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– Paul Sinclair
Oct 15 at 16:51
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I really like this answer too. If I could, I would make both of those best answers
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– KKZiomek
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One fairly elementary way to approach this -- elementary enough that it's the way it was approached at the secondary school (= high school) I went to -- is to begin by defining the logarithm rather than the exponential. You say $log x=int_1^x1/t dt$ from which it immediately follows that the derivative of $log x$ is $1/x$, you prove that $log(ab)=log a+log b$ by a simple geometrical argument and $log 1=0$ by inspection, and now you've got a nice log function and know its derivative. Then you define exp to be the inverse of log; you know it behaves like an exponential because you know log behaves like a logarithm; and now the derivative of exp is a trivial calculation using the already-known derivative of log.
(Personally I think I prefer to take YiFan's approach and begin by defining exp in terms of the ODE it satisfies. But the above works pretty well.)
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Actually, your and YiFan's approach are equivalent. It is almost trivial from the integral definition to show that $log x$ is 1-1, and thus it follows by the FTC that the inverse function $exp$ satisfies the ODE. The advantage of the integral definition is that existence of $log$ is obvious to students as soon as they've studied the basic properties of integration. The existence of a solution for the ODE takes much more development.
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– Paul Sinclair
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Obviously any two approaches are equivalent in some sense, given that there's only one exp and only one log :-).
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– Gareth McCaughan
Oct 15 at 16:49
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True - perhaps I should have said "almost the same".
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– Paul Sinclair
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I really like this answer too. If I could, I would make both of those best answers
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– KKZiomek
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One fairly elementary way to approach this -- elementary enough that it's the way it was approached at the secondary school (= high school) I went to -- is to begin by defining the logarithm rather than the exponential. You say $log x=int_1^x1/t dt$ from which it immediately follows that the derivative of $log x$ is $1/x$, you prove that $log(ab)=log a+log b$ by a simple geometrical argument and $log 1=0$ by inspection, and now you've got a nice log function and know its derivative. Then you define exp to be the inverse of log; you know it behaves like an exponential because you know log behaves like a logarithm; and now the derivative of exp is a trivial calculation using the already-known derivative of log.
(Personally I think I prefer to take YiFan's approach and begin by defining exp in terms of the ODE it satisfies. But the above works pretty well.)
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One fairly elementary way to approach this -- elementary enough that it's the way it was approached at the secondary school (= high school) I went to -- is to begin by defining the logarithm rather than the exponential. You say $log x=int_1^x1/t dt$ from which it immediately follows that the derivative of $log x$ is $1/x$, you prove that $log(ab)=log a+log b$ by a simple geometrical argument and $log 1=0$ by inspection, and now you've got a nice log function and know its derivative. Then you define exp to be the inverse of log; you know it behaves like an exponential because you know log behaves like a logarithm; and now the derivative of exp is a trivial calculation using the already-known derivative of log.
(Personally I think I prefer to take YiFan's approach and begin by defining exp in terms of the ODE it satisfies. But the above works pretty well.)
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Actually, your and YiFan's approach are equivalent. It is almost trivial from the integral definition to show that $log x$ is 1-1, and thus it follows by the FTC that the inverse function $exp$ satisfies the ODE. The advantage of the integral definition is that existence of $log$ is obvious to students as soon as they've studied the basic properties of integration. The existence of a solution for the ODE takes much more development.
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– Paul Sinclair
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Obviously any two approaches are equivalent in some sense, given that there's only one exp and only one log :-).
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– Gareth McCaughan
Oct 15 at 16:49
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True - perhaps I should have said "almost the same".
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– Paul Sinclair
Oct 15 at 16:51
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I really like this answer too. If I could, I would make both of those best answers
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Actually, your and YiFan's approach are equivalent. It is almost trivial from the integral definition to show that $log x$ is 1-1, and thus it follows by the FTC that the inverse function $exp$ satisfies the ODE. The advantage of the integral definition is that existence of $log$ is obvious to students as soon as they've studied the basic properties of integration. The existence of a solution for the ODE takes much more development.
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– Paul Sinclair
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Obviously any two approaches are equivalent in some sense, given that there's only one exp and only one log :-).
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– Gareth McCaughan
Oct 15 at 16:49
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True - perhaps I should have said "almost the same".
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– Paul Sinclair
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I really like this answer too. If I could, I would make both of those best answers
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– KKZiomek
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Actually, your and YiFan's approach are equivalent. It is almost trivial from the integral definition to show that $log x$ is 1-1, and thus it follows by the FTC that the inverse function $exp$ satisfies the ODE. The advantage of the integral definition is that existence of $log$ is obvious to students as soon as they've studied the basic properties of integration. The existence of a solution for the ODE takes much more development.
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– Paul Sinclair
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Actually, your and YiFan's approach are equivalent. It is almost trivial from the integral definition to show that $log x$ is 1-1, and thus it follows by the FTC that the inverse function $exp$ satisfies the ODE. The advantage of the integral definition is that existence of $log$ is obvious to students as soon as they've studied the basic properties of integration. The existence of a solution for the ODE takes much more development.
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– Paul Sinclair
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Obviously any two approaches are equivalent in some sense, given that there's only one exp and only one log :-).
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– Gareth McCaughan
Oct 15 at 16:49
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Obviously any two approaches are equivalent in some sense, given that there's only one exp and only one log :-).
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– Gareth McCaughan
Oct 15 at 16:49
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True - perhaps I should have said "almost the same".
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– Paul Sinclair
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True - perhaps I should have said "almost the same".
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– Paul Sinclair
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I really like this answer too. If I could, I would make both of those best answers
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– KKZiomek
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I really like this answer too. If I could, I would make both of those best answers
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If you can accept the derivative of $ln x$ then this might provide "some" intuition.
$$
y=e^x Rightarrow \
ln y = x Rightarrow \
fracy 'y = 1 Rightarrow \
y' = y = e^x
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If you can accept the derivative of $ln x$ then this might provide "some" intuition.
$$
y=e^x Rightarrow \
ln y = x Rightarrow \
fracy 'y = 1 Rightarrow \
y' = y = e^x
$$
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If you can accept the derivative of $ln x$ then this might provide "some" intuition.
$$
y=e^x Rightarrow \
ln y = x Rightarrow \
fracy 'y = 1 Rightarrow \
y' = y = e^x
$$
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If you can accept the derivative of $ln x$ then this might provide "some" intuition.
$$
y=e^x Rightarrow \
ln y = x Rightarrow \
fracy 'y = 1 Rightarrow \
y' = y = e^x
$$
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Another intuitive approch is to consider $g(x)=2^x$, $h(x)=3^x$ and since by convexity of the exponential function
- $frac12<g'(0)<1$
- $frac23<h'(0)<2$
we have that there exists $2<e<3$ such that for $f(x)=e^x$
$$ f'(0)=lim_xto 0frace^x-1x=1$$
and therefore $forall x_0inmathbb R$
$$ f'(x_0)=lim_xto x_0frace^x-e^x_0x-x_0=e^x_0cdot lim_(x-x_0)to 0frace^(x-x_0)-1x-x_0=e^x_0$$
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Another intuitive approch is to consider $g(x)=2^x$, $h(x)=3^x$ and since by convexity of the exponential function
- $frac12<g'(0)<1$
- $frac23<h'(0)<2$
we have that there exists $2<e<3$ such that for $f(x)=e^x$
$$ f'(0)=lim_xto 0frace^x-1x=1$$
and therefore $forall x_0inmathbb R$
$$ f'(x_0)=lim_xto x_0frace^x-e^x_0x-x_0=e^x_0cdot lim_(x-x_0)to 0frace^(x-x_0)-1x-x_0=e^x_0$$
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Another intuitive approch is to consider $g(x)=2^x$, $h(x)=3^x$ and since by convexity of the exponential function
- $frac12<g'(0)<1$
- $frac23<h'(0)<2$
we have that there exists $2<e<3$ such that for $f(x)=e^x$
$$ f'(0)=lim_xto 0frace^x-1x=1$$
and therefore $forall x_0inmathbb R$
$$ f'(x_0)=lim_xto x_0frace^x-e^x_0x-x_0=e^x_0cdot lim_(x-x_0)to 0frace^(x-x_0)-1x-x_0=e^x_0$$
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Another intuitive approch is to consider $g(x)=2^x$, $h(x)=3^x$ and since by convexity of the exponential function
- $frac12<g'(0)<1$
- $frac23<h'(0)<2$
we have that there exists $2<e<3$ such that for $f(x)=e^x$
$$ f'(0)=lim_xto 0frace^x-1x=1$$
and therefore $forall x_0inmathbb R$
$$ f'(x_0)=lim_xto x_0frace^x-e^x_0x-x_0=e^x_0cdot lim_(x-x_0)to 0frace^(x-x_0)-1x-x_0=e^x_0$$
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The exponential function of base e is defined as the (monovariable real) function equal to the value of its first derivative for any value of x.
You are trying to prove the definition.
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The exponential function of base e is defined as the (monovariable real) function equal to the value of its first derivative for any value of x.
You are trying to prove the definition.
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The exponential function of base e is defined as the (monovariable real) function equal to the value of its first derivative for any value of x.
You are trying to prove the definition.
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The exponential function of base e is defined as the (monovariable real) function equal to the value of its first derivative for any value of x.
You are trying to prove the definition.
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You could take the view that $e$ is the solution of $$lim_hto 0fraca^h-1h=1$$ for $a$.
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What exactly is your definition of $ln$, $exp$, or $a^x$? If you define $ln x = int_1^x fracdtt$ and $exp$ as the inverse function, then $(ln x)' = frac 1x$ and $(exp x)' = exp x$ follows immediately from basic rules.
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@KKZiomek You've found the explanation yourself: $frac ddxe^x = e^xcdot lim_hto 0frace^h-1h$. This says, quite literally, that the exponential function grows proportional to its size. The matter of why the proportionality constant is exactly $1$ when the base for the exponential is $e$ is, as Lord Shark points out, often seen as the definition of $e$. In other words, $e$ is chosen to be the number such that the proportionality constant is $1$.
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KKZ, your comment still doesn't contain a definition of $e$. Just saying $ln e=1$ is no help, because you don't define $ln$ properly: $log_b 1$ is $0$ for all bases $b$, not just for $b=e$. And I think that this missing definition is precisely the source of the problems you are having.
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Do you know e.g. that $frac ddxln f(x)=fracf'(x)f(x)$?
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