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Do dragons smell of lilacs?
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I had an interesting thing happen in my last session of Dungeons and Dragons 5th edition.
My players are in a dragon heavy adventure.
A player tried to do a perception check to detect the scent of lilacs. Normally whenever a character wants to do a perception check I just tell them to go for it, though this time I asked them why.
It seems that he heard somewhere that a dragon in human form smells of lilacs.
I had never heard of this before. Clearly there are at least 3 relevant questions:
- Do dragons in human form have a smell that they can be identified by?
- Are there actually any dragons in human form in the room? (This one I know the answer to)
- Even if dragons in human form do have a smell, then how would the character know this? You would think that dragons would want to keep this a secret.
Have any of you heard of anything like this before?
I did not allow the check because he couldn't show how his character would have come across this knowledge. Though I was tempted to have him preform the check only to notice that the room was lined with lilacs.
Their are a few ways this can play out,
- If there are no dragons, then they can't find one no matter how hard they look.
- There is someone who smells of lilacs, though if they are or are not a dragon is another matter entirely.
- There is no way that they should have heard this, so I don't allow the check.
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I had an interesting thing happen in my last session of Dungeons and Dragons 5th edition.
My players are in a dragon heavy adventure.
A player tried to do a perception check to detect the scent of lilacs. Normally whenever a character wants to do a perception check I just tell them to go for it, though this time I asked them why.
It seems that he heard somewhere that a dragon in human form smells of lilacs.
I had never heard of this before. Clearly there are at least 3 relevant questions:
- Do dragons in human form have a smell that they can be identified by?
- Are there actually any dragons in human form in the room? (This one I know the answer to)
- Even if dragons in human form do have a smell, then how would the character know this? You would think that dragons would want to keep this a secret.
Have any of you heard of anything like this before?
I did not allow the check because he couldn't show how his character would have come across this knowledge. Though I was tempted to have him preform the check only to notice that the room was lined with lilacs.
Their are a few ways this can play out,
- If there are no dragons, then they can't find one no matter how hard they look.
- There is someone who smells of lilacs, though if they are or are not a dragon is another matter entirely.
- There is no way that they should have heard this, so I don't allow the check.
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@J.A.Streich It looks like they're just asking about general lore, but still a good idea to focus on a specific addition for at least part of the answer.
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Welcome! You tagged this question with [dungeons-and-dragons] which is used to indicate D&D across all editions. You state you are playing 5e. Does this mean that you are interested in lore from any edition or would you prefer just from 5e?
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So is this the player saying at the table that he heard that dragons smell like lilac, or is this an in-character claim that the character says he heard that?
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I had an interesting thing happen in my last session of Dungeons and Dragons 5th edition.
My players are in a dragon heavy adventure.
A player tried to do a perception check to detect the scent of lilacs. Normally whenever a character wants to do a perception check I just tell them to go for it, though this time I asked them why.
It seems that he heard somewhere that a dragon in human form smells of lilacs.
I had never heard of this before. Clearly there are at least 3 relevant questions:
- Do dragons in human form have a smell that they can be identified by?
- Are there actually any dragons in human form in the room? (This one I know the answer to)
- Even if dragons in human form do have a smell, then how would the character know this? You would think that dragons would want to keep this a secret.
Have any of you heard of anything like this before?
I did not allow the check because he couldn't show how his character would have come across this knowledge. Though I was tempted to have him preform the check only to notice that the room was lined with lilacs.
Their are a few ways this can play out,
- If there are no dragons, then they can't find one no matter how hard they look.
- There is someone who smells of lilacs, though if they are or are not a dragon is another matter entirely.
- There is no way that they should have heard this, so I don't allow the check.
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I had an interesting thing happen in my last session of Dungeons and Dragons 5th edition.
My players are in a dragon heavy adventure.
A player tried to do a perception check to detect the scent of lilacs. Normally whenever a character wants to do a perception check I just tell them to go for it, though this time I asked them why.
It seems that he heard somewhere that a dragon in human form smells of lilacs.
I had never heard of this before. Clearly there are at least 3 relevant questions:
- Do dragons in human form have a smell that they can be identified by?
- Are there actually any dragons in human form in the room? (This one I know the answer to)
- Even if dragons in human form do have a smell, then how would the character know this? You would think that dragons would want to keep this a secret.
Have any of you heard of anything like this before?
I did not allow the check because he couldn't show how his character would have come across this knowledge. Though I was tempted to have him preform the check only to notice that the room was lined with lilacs.
Their are a few ways this can play out,
- If there are no dragons, then they can't find one no matter how hard they look.
- There is someone who smells of lilacs, though if they are or are not a dragon is another matter entirely.
- There is no way that they should have heard this, so I don't allow the check.
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@J.A.Streich It looks like they're just asking about general lore, but still a good idea to focus on a specific addition for at least part of the answer.
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– NautArch
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Welcome! You tagged this question with [dungeons-and-dragons] which is used to indicate D&D across all editions. You state you are playing 5e. Does this mean that you are interested in lore from any edition or would you prefer just from 5e?
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So is this the player saying at the table that he heard that dragons smell like lilac, or is this an in-character claim that the character says he heard that?
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@J.A.Streich It looks like they're just asking about general lore, but still a good idea to focus on a specific addition for at least part of the answer.
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– NautArch
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Welcome! You tagged this question with [dungeons-and-dragons] which is used to indicate D&D across all editions. You state you are playing 5e. Does this mean that you are interested in lore from any edition or would you prefer just from 5e?
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So is this the player saying at the table that he heard that dragons smell like lilac, or is this an in-character claim that the character says he heard that?
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– mxyzplk
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Which edition is this about?
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@J.A.Streich It looks like they're just asking about general lore, but still a good idea to focus on a specific addition for at least part of the answer.
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@J.A.Streich It looks like they're just asking about general lore, but still a good idea to focus on a specific addition for at least part of the answer.
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– NautArch
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Welcome! You tagged this question with [dungeons-and-dragons] which is used to indicate D&D across all editions. You state you are playing 5e. Does this mean that you are interested in lore from any edition or would you prefer just from 5e?
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Welcome! You tagged this question with [dungeons-and-dragons] which is used to indicate D&D across all editions. You state you are playing 5e. Does this mean that you are interested in lore from any edition or would you prefer just from 5e?
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So is this the player saying at the table that he heard that dragons smell like lilac, or is this an in-character claim that the character says he heard that?
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So is this the player saying at the table that he heard that dragons smell like lilac, or is this an in-character claim that the character says he heard that?
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Disclaimer: This answer was written before the addition of the 5e tag. The content below may not be applicable to that specific edition of D&D.
D&D 3.5's Draconomicon actually has several examples of dragons having specific smells. It seems to vary by dragonflight color:
Black - Smells like rotten vegetation and foul water.
Blue - Smells like ozone and sand when upset.
Brass - Smells like hot metal and desert sand.
Bronze - The smell of the sea.
Copper - a "stony" odor.
Gold - Safron and incense.
Green - Chlorine.
Red - Sulfur and pumice.
Silver - The scent of plot devices rain.
White - Couldn't find anything about its scent.
From the classic species, none of them has the smell of lilac. More so, from what is possible to see, it seems that every species of dragon has a different scent, so I would say that no - in general, dragons don't smell like lilac.
Keep in mind: Those are the scents for their regular, dragon form. I wasn't able to find anything regarding their scent either changing or remaining the same when turning into a human.
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Does Draconomicon say whether these smells persist while the dragon is in an alternate form?
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Is this info about them still having this scent while polymorphed into a human, or just their normal draconic scent (which I would assume would be pretty stout)?
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@KRyan It doesn't say they do not, so I'm really usure.
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@mxyzplk This is their normal scent. There doesn't seem to be any info about it changing when turning into a human. I'll clarify the answer.
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The Draconomicon 1 & 2 from 4e also provide a number of scents for both chromatic and metallic dragons, none of them lilac from what I saw.
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As DM, you can decide whether or not dragons have a distinctive smell or not; even if it is written in a book somewhere, you are free to change that.
As DM, you can decide how to determine whether or not a given character would know whether or not a dragon has a distinctive smell, and if so what that smell is. I suggest that, in this case, your best course of action is to treat the suggestion that dragons have a particular smell as the player asking “does my character know of any way to determine a dragon in disguise?” and then ask for an Intelligence check. Which Intelligence check is unclear—unlike previous editions, D&D 5e does not define which Intelligence check covers knowing things about dragons. In previous editions, that would be Arcana, but 5e defines Arcana as dealing with creatures from other planes, so perhaps Nature would be more appropriate. Personally, I would probably let players use either, since dragons are natural creatures that yet have a great deal of arcane relevance, so people trained in either might well know things about them.
And then, as DM, you can decide how hard whatever “tell” they know about is to actually detect. This will probably be a Perception check, since it’s all about recognizing something in your environment, but the DC would be up to you (you could probably make arguments for other skills but most of those are probably not going to be things you can just do inconspicuously when you find yourself in a room of strangers.
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Do dragons in human form have a smell that they can be identified by?
As far as I am aware, there is no lore in any version of Dungeons and Dragons I've played that indicate a dragon polymorphed or not has a distinctive smell. More specifically, I'm am certain there isn't any game mechanics in 5th edition that allows a polymorphed dragon to be identified by smell.
Game Settings
The game system is setting independent, even if the setting your player has read about did have lilac or lavender scented dragons doesn't mean that your setting has to. Currently, the 5e rules were written with Forgotten Realms in mind; but expansions have made with Ravnica, Ebberon and Barovia (in Ravenloft)
RAW
Even if dragons in human form do have a smell, then how would the character know this?
If it did (and even not), the DM could ask the character have to make a history (Do you know the lore), Nature (Do you understand the nature of Dragon anatomy) or Arcana (Does draconic magic have scent) check (your choice) if they think the character might know this information. They would do this before they do the perception check you ask for.
Note: Players shouldn't ask to roll checks. They tell you what they want to do, and you tell them if a check is necessary.
Fun with Meta
I personally, would love using the meta belief to my advantage as a DM. "Roll a history check." They roll poorly, below the DC you set on that information. "Yes, you are positively convinced that dragons smell like lilac." They make a perception check, to see if the person smells, and succeeds.
- If they aren't a dragon, I make them smell like lilac, so the character thinks they are.
- If they are a dragon, I make them smell of overly burnt sandalwood incense.
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History is a very strange choice here; it should be Arcana or Nature. Moreover, failure on Int checks is “you don’t know,” not “you know this fact that isn’t actually true.” Your “fun with meta” suggestion changes the definition of knowledge skills and unless it has been established up-front that this is how they behave in your games, is only “fun” because the DM is basically cheating the players of what they have been given to understand is the way the rules work. Furthermore, personal experience tells me it just causes strife and bad feelings, while doing nothing to improve the game.
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If the character is convinced that dragons smell like lilacs, a better (less messing-with-the-player) use for the knowledge check would be to determine if they're right.
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Disclaimer: This answer was written before the addition of the 5e tag. The content below may not be applicable to that specific edition of D&D.
D&D 3.5's Draconomicon actually has several examples of dragons having specific smells. It seems to vary by dragonflight color:
Black - Smells like rotten vegetation and foul water.
Blue - Smells like ozone and sand when upset.
Brass - Smells like hot metal and desert sand.
Bronze - The smell of the sea.
Copper - a "stony" odor.
Gold - Safron and incense.
Green - Chlorine.
Red - Sulfur and pumice.
Silver - The scent of plot devices rain.
White - Couldn't find anything about its scent.
From the classic species, none of them has the smell of lilac. More so, from what is possible to see, it seems that every species of dragon has a different scent, so I would say that no - in general, dragons don't smell like lilac.
Keep in mind: Those are the scents for their regular, dragon form. I wasn't able to find anything regarding their scent either changing or remaining the same when turning into a human.
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Does Draconomicon say whether these smells persist while the dragon is in an alternate form?
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Is this info about them still having this scent while polymorphed into a human, or just their normal draconic scent (which I would assume would be pretty stout)?
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@KRyan It doesn't say they do not, so I'm really usure.
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@mxyzplk This is their normal scent. There doesn't seem to be any info about it changing when turning into a human. I'll clarify the answer.
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The Draconomicon 1 & 2 from 4e also provide a number of scents for both chromatic and metallic dragons, none of them lilac from what I saw.
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Disclaimer: This answer was written before the addition of the 5e tag. The content below may not be applicable to that specific edition of D&D.
D&D 3.5's Draconomicon actually has several examples of dragons having specific smells. It seems to vary by dragonflight color:
Black - Smells like rotten vegetation and foul water.
Blue - Smells like ozone and sand when upset.
Brass - Smells like hot metal and desert sand.
Bronze - The smell of the sea.
Copper - a "stony" odor.
Gold - Safron and incense.
Green - Chlorine.
Red - Sulfur and pumice.
Silver - The scent of plot devices rain.
White - Couldn't find anything about its scent.
From the classic species, none of them has the smell of lilac. More so, from what is possible to see, it seems that every species of dragon has a different scent, so I would say that no - in general, dragons don't smell like lilac.
Keep in mind: Those are the scents for their regular, dragon form. I wasn't able to find anything regarding their scent either changing or remaining the same when turning into a human.
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Does Draconomicon say whether these smells persist while the dragon is in an alternate form?
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– KRyan
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Is this info about them still having this scent while polymorphed into a human, or just their normal draconic scent (which I would assume would be pretty stout)?
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@KRyan It doesn't say they do not, so I'm really usure.
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– T. Sar
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@mxyzplk This is their normal scent. There doesn't seem to be any info about it changing when turning into a human. I'll clarify the answer.
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– T. Sar
7 hours ago
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The Draconomicon 1 & 2 from 4e also provide a number of scents for both chromatic and metallic dragons, none of them lilac from what I saw.
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7 hours ago
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Disclaimer: This answer was written before the addition of the 5e tag. The content below may not be applicable to that specific edition of D&D.
D&D 3.5's Draconomicon actually has several examples of dragons having specific smells. It seems to vary by dragonflight color:
Black - Smells like rotten vegetation and foul water.
Blue - Smells like ozone and sand when upset.
Brass - Smells like hot metal and desert sand.
Bronze - The smell of the sea.
Copper - a "stony" odor.
Gold - Safron and incense.
Green - Chlorine.
Red - Sulfur and pumice.
Silver - The scent of plot devices rain.
White - Couldn't find anything about its scent.
From the classic species, none of them has the smell of lilac. More so, from what is possible to see, it seems that every species of dragon has a different scent, so I would say that no - in general, dragons don't smell like lilac.
Keep in mind: Those are the scents for their regular, dragon form. I wasn't able to find anything regarding their scent either changing or remaining the same when turning into a human.
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Disclaimer: This answer was written before the addition of the 5e tag. The content below may not be applicable to that specific edition of D&D.
D&D 3.5's Draconomicon actually has several examples of dragons having specific smells. It seems to vary by dragonflight color:
Black - Smells like rotten vegetation and foul water.
Blue - Smells like ozone and sand when upset.
Brass - Smells like hot metal and desert sand.
Bronze - The smell of the sea.
Copper - a "stony" odor.
Gold - Safron and incense.
Green - Chlorine.
Red - Sulfur and pumice.
Silver - The scent of plot devices rain.
White - Couldn't find anything about its scent.
From the classic species, none of them has the smell of lilac. More so, from what is possible to see, it seems that every species of dragon has a different scent, so I would say that no - in general, dragons don't smell like lilac.
Keep in mind: Those are the scents for their regular, dragon form. I wasn't able to find anything regarding their scent either changing or remaining the same when turning into a human.
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Does Draconomicon say whether these smells persist while the dragon is in an alternate form?
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– KRyan
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Is this info about them still having this scent while polymorphed into a human, or just their normal draconic scent (which I would assume would be pretty stout)?
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@KRyan It doesn't say they do not, so I'm really usure.
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– T. Sar
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@mxyzplk This is their normal scent. There doesn't seem to be any info about it changing when turning into a human. I'll clarify the answer.
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– T. Sar
7 hours ago
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The Draconomicon 1 & 2 from 4e also provide a number of scents for both chromatic and metallic dragons, none of them lilac from what I saw.
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Does Draconomicon say whether these smells persist while the dragon is in an alternate form?
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– KRyan
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Is this info about them still having this scent while polymorphed into a human, or just their normal draconic scent (which I would assume would be pretty stout)?
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– mxyzplk
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@KRyan It doesn't say they do not, so I'm really usure.
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– T. Sar
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@mxyzplk This is their normal scent. There doesn't seem to be any info about it changing when turning into a human. I'll clarify the answer.
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The Draconomicon 1 & 2 from 4e also provide a number of scents for both chromatic and metallic dragons, none of them lilac from what I saw.
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– Sdjz
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Does Draconomicon say whether these smells persist while the dragon is in an alternate form?
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– KRyan
7 hours ago
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Does Draconomicon say whether these smells persist while the dragon is in an alternate form?
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– KRyan
7 hours ago
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Is this info about them still having this scent while polymorphed into a human, or just their normal draconic scent (which I would assume would be pretty stout)?
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– mxyzplk
7 hours ago
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Is this info about them still having this scent while polymorphed into a human, or just their normal draconic scent (which I would assume would be pretty stout)?
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– mxyzplk
7 hours ago
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@KRyan It doesn't say they do not, so I'm really usure.
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– T. Sar
7 hours ago
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@KRyan It doesn't say they do not, so I'm really usure.
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– T. Sar
7 hours ago
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@mxyzplk This is their normal scent. There doesn't seem to be any info about it changing when turning into a human. I'll clarify the answer.
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– T. Sar
7 hours ago
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@mxyzplk This is their normal scent. There doesn't seem to be any info about it changing when turning into a human. I'll clarify the answer.
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– T. Sar
7 hours ago
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The Draconomicon 1 & 2 from 4e also provide a number of scents for both chromatic and metallic dragons, none of them lilac from what I saw.
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– Sdjz
7 hours ago
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The Draconomicon 1 & 2 from 4e also provide a number of scents for both chromatic and metallic dragons, none of them lilac from what I saw.
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– Sdjz
7 hours ago
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As DM, you can decide whether or not dragons have a distinctive smell or not; even if it is written in a book somewhere, you are free to change that.
As DM, you can decide how to determine whether or not a given character would know whether or not a dragon has a distinctive smell, and if so what that smell is. I suggest that, in this case, your best course of action is to treat the suggestion that dragons have a particular smell as the player asking “does my character know of any way to determine a dragon in disguise?” and then ask for an Intelligence check. Which Intelligence check is unclear—unlike previous editions, D&D 5e does not define which Intelligence check covers knowing things about dragons. In previous editions, that would be Arcana, but 5e defines Arcana as dealing with creatures from other planes, so perhaps Nature would be more appropriate. Personally, I would probably let players use either, since dragons are natural creatures that yet have a great deal of arcane relevance, so people trained in either might well know things about them.
And then, as DM, you can decide how hard whatever “tell” they know about is to actually detect. This will probably be a Perception check, since it’s all about recognizing something in your environment, but the DC would be up to you (you could probably make arguments for other skills but most of those are probably not going to be things you can just do inconspicuously when you find yourself in a room of strangers.
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As DM, you can decide whether or not dragons have a distinctive smell or not; even if it is written in a book somewhere, you are free to change that.
As DM, you can decide how to determine whether or not a given character would know whether or not a dragon has a distinctive smell, and if so what that smell is. I suggest that, in this case, your best course of action is to treat the suggestion that dragons have a particular smell as the player asking “does my character know of any way to determine a dragon in disguise?” and then ask for an Intelligence check. Which Intelligence check is unclear—unlike previous editions, D&D 5e does not define which Intelligence check covers knowing things about dragons. In previous editions, that would be Arcana, but 5e defines Arcana as dealing with creatures from other planes, so perhaps Nature would be more appropriate. Personally, I would probably let players use either, since dragons are natural creatures that yet have a great deal of arcane relevance, so people trained in either might well know things about them.
And then, as DM, you can decide how hard whatever “tell” they know about is to actually detect. This will probably be a Perception check, since it’s all about recognizing something in your environment, but the DC would be up to you (you could probably make arguments for other skills but most of those are probably not going to be things you can just do inconspicuously when you find yourself in a room of strangers.
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As DM, you can decide whether or not dragons have a distinctive smell or not; even if it is written in a book somewhere, you are free to change that.
As DM, you can decide how to determine whether or not a given character would know whether or not a dragon has a distinctive smell, and if so what that smell is. I suggest that, in this case, your best course of action is to treat the suggestion that dragons have a particular smell as the player asking “does my character know of any way to determine a dragon in disguise?” and then ask for an Intelligence check. Which Intelligence check is unclear—unlike previous editions, D&D 5e does not define which Intelligence check covers knowing things about dragons. In previous editions, that would be Arcana, but 5e defines Arcana as dealing with creatures from other planes, so perhaps Nature would be more appropriate. Personally, I would probably let players use either, since dragons are natural creatures that yet have a great deal of arcane relevance, so people trained in either might well know things about them.
And then, as DM, you can decide how hard whatever “tell” they know about is to actually detect. This will probably be a Perception check, since it’s all about recognizing something in your environment, but the DC would be up to you (you could probably make arguments for other skills but most of those are probably not going to be things you can just do inconspicuously when you find yourself in a room of strangers.
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As DM, you can decide whether or not dragons have a distinctive smell or not; even if it is written in a book somewhere, you are free to change that.
As DM, you can decide how to determine whether or not a given character would know whether or not a dragon has a distinctive smell, and if so what that smell is. I suggest that, in this case, your best course of action is to treat the suggestion that dragons have a particular smell as the player asking “does my character know of any way to determine a dragon in disguise?” and then ask for an Intelligence check. Which Intelligence check is unclear—unlike previous editions, D&D 5e does not define which Intelligence check covers knowing things about dragons. In previous editions, that would be Arcana, but 5e defines Arcana as dealing with creatures from other planes, so perhaps Nature would be more appropriate. Personally, I would probably let players use either, since dragons are natural creatures that yet have a great deal of arcane relevance, so people trained in either might well know things about them.
And then, as DM, you can decide how hard whatever “tell” they know about is to actually detect. This will probably be a Perception check, since it’s all about recognizing something in your environment, but the DC would be up to you (you could probably make arguments for other skills but most of those are probably not going to be things you can just do inconspicuously when you find yourself in a room of strangers.
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Do dragons in human form have a smell that they can be identified by?
As far as I am aware, there is no lore in any version of Dungeons and Dragons I've played that indicate a dragon polymorphed or not has a distinctive smell. More specifically, I'm am certain there isn't any game mechanics in 5th edition that allows a polymorphed dragon to be identified by smell.
Game Settings
The game system is setting independent, even if the setting your player has read about did have lilac or lavender scented dragons doesn't mean that your setting has to. Currently, the 5e rules were written with Forgotten Realms in mind; but expansions have made with Ravnica, Ebberon and Barovia (in Ravenloft)
RAW
Even if dragons in human form do have a smell, then how would the character know this?
If it did (and even not), the DM could ask the character have to make a history (Do you know the lore), Nature (Do you understand the nature of Dragon anatomy) or Arcana (Does draconic magic have scent) check (your choice) if they think the character might know this information. They would do this before they do the perception check you ask for.
Note: Players shouldn't ask to roll checks. They tell you what they want to do, and you tell them if a check is necessary.
Fun with Meta
I personally, would love using the meta belief to my advantage as a DM. "Roll a history check." They roll poorly, below the DC you set on that information. "Yes, you are positively convinced that dragons smell like lilac." They make a perception check, to see if the person smells, and succeeds.
- If they aren't a dragon, I make them smell like lilac, so the character thinks they are.
- If they are a dragon, I make them smell of overly burnt sandalwood incense.
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History is a very strange choice here; it should be Arcana or Nature. Moreover, failure on Int checks is “you don’t know,” not “you know this fact that isn’t actually true.” Your “fun with meta” suggestion changes the definition of knowledge skills and unless it has been established up-front that this is how they behave in your games, is only “fun” because the DM is basically cheating the players of what they have been given to understand is the way the rules work. Furthermore, personal experience tells me it just causes strife and bad feelings, while doing nothing to improve the game.
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– KRyan
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If the character is convinced that dragons smell like lilacs, a better (less messing-with-the-player) use for the knowledge check would be to determine if they're right.
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– Mark Wells
7 hours ago
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Lore
Do dragons in human form have a smell that they can be identified by?
As far as I am aware, there is no lore in any version of Dungeons and Dragons I've played that indicate a dragon polymorphed or not has a distinctive smell. More specifically, I'm am certain there isn't any game mechanics in 5th edition that allows a polymorphed dragon to be identified by smell.
Game Settings
The game system is setting independent, even if the setting your player has read about did have lilac or lavender scented dragons doesn't mean that your setting has to. Currently, the 5e rules were written with Forgotten Realms in mind; but expansions have made with Ravnica, Ebberon and Barovia (in Ravenloft)
RAW
Even if dragons in human form do have a smell, then how would the character know this?
If it did (and even not), the DM could ask the character have to make a history (Do you know the lore), Nature (Do you understand the nature of Dragon anatomy) or Arcana (Does draconic magic have scent) check (your choice) if they think the character might know this information. They would do this before they do the perception check you ask for.
Note: Players shouldn't ask to roll checks. They tell you what they want to do, and you tell them if a check is necessary.
Fun with Meta
I personally, would love using the meta belief to my advantage as a DM. "Roll a history check." They roll poorly, below the DC you set on that information. "Yes, you are positively convinced that dragons smell like lilac." They make a perception check, to see if the person smells, and succeeds.
- If they aren't a dragon, I make them smell like lilac, so the character thinks they are.
- If they are a dragon, I make them smell of overly burnt sandalwood incense.
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History is a very strange choice here; it should be Arcana or Nature. Moreover, failure on Int checks is “you don’t know,” not “you know this fact that isn’t actually true.” Your “fun with meta” suggestion changes the definition of knowledge skills and unless it has been established up-front that this is how they behave in your games, is only “fun” because the DM is basically cheating the players of what they have been given to understand is the way the rules work. Furthermore, personal experience tells me it just causes strife and bad feelings, while doing nothing to improve the game.
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– KRyan
7 hours ago
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If the character is convinced that dragons smell like lilacs, a better (less messing-with-the-player) use for the knowledge check would be to determine if they're right.
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– Mark Wells
7 hours ago
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Lore
Do dragons in human form have a smell that they can be identified by?
As far as I am aware, there is no lore in any version of Dungeons and Dragons I've played that indicate a dragon polymorphed or not has a distinctive smell. More specifically, I'm am certain there isn't any game mechanics in 5th edition that allows a polymorphed dragon to be identified by smell.
Game Settings
The game system is setting independent, even if the setting your player has read about did have lilac or lavender scented dragons doesn't mean that your setting has to. Currently, the 5e rules were written with Forgotten Realms in mind; but expansions have made with Ravnica, Ebberon and Barovia (in Ravenloft)
RAW
Even if dragons in human form do have a smell, then how would the character know this?
If it did (and even not), the DM could ask the character have to make a history (Do you know the lore), Nature (Do you understand the nature of Dragon anatomy) or Arcana (Does draconic magic have scent) check (your choice) if they think the character might know this information. They would do this before they do the perception check you ask for.
Note: Players shouldn't ask to roll checks. They tell you what they want to do, and you tell them if a check is necessary.
Fun with Meta
I personally, would love using the meta belief to my advantage as a DM. "Roll a history check." They roll poorly, below the DC you set on that information. "Yes, you are positively convinced that dragons smell like lilac." They make a perception check, to see if the person smells, and succeeds.
- If they aren't a dragon, I make them smell like lilac, so the character thinks they are.
- If they are a dragon, I make them smell of overly burnt sandalwood incense.
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Lore
Do dragons in human form have a smell that they can be identified by?
As far as I am aware, there is no lore in any version of Dungeons and Dragons I've played that indicate a dragon polymorphed or not has a distinctive smell. More specifically, I'm am certain there isn't any game mechanics in 5th edition that allows a polymorphed dragon to be identified by smell.
Game Settings
The game system is setting independent, even if the setting your player has read about did have lilac or lavender scented dragons doesn't mean that your setting has to. Currently, the 5e rules were written with Forgotten Realms in mind; but expansions have made with Ravnica, Ebberon and Barovia (in Ravenloft)
RAW
Even if dragons in human form do have a smell, then how would the character know this?
If it did (and even not), the DM could ask the character have to make a history (Do you know the lore), Nature (Do you understand the nature of Dragon anatomy) or Arcana (Does draconic magic have scent) check (your choice) if they think the character might know this information. They would do this before they do the perception check you ask for.
Note: Players shouldn't ask to roll checks. They tell you what they want to do, and you tell them if a check is necessary.
Fun with Meta
I personally, would love using the meta belief to my advantage as a DM. "Roll a history check." They roll poorly, below the DC you set on that information. "Yes, you are positively convinced that dragons smell like lilac." They make a perception check, to see if the person smells, and succeeds.
- If they aren't a dragon, I make them smell like lilac, so the character thinks they are.
- If they are a dragon, I make them smell of overly burnt sandalwood incense.
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History is a very strange choice here; it should be Arcana or Nature. Moreover, failure on Int checks is “you don’t know,” not “you know this fact that isn’t actually true.” Your “fun with meta” suggestion changes the definition of knowledge skills and unless it has been established up-front that this is how they behave in your games, is only “fun” because the DM is basically cheating the players of what they have been given to understand is the way the rules work. Furthermore, personal experience tells me it just causes strife and bad feelings, while doing nothing to improve the game.
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– KRyan
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If the character is convinced that dragons smell like lilacs, a better (less messing-with-the-player) use for the knowledge check would be to determine if they're right.
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– Mark Wells
7 hours ago
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History is a very strange choice here; it should be Arcana or Nature. Moreover, failure on Int checks is “you don’t know,” not “you know this fact that isn’t actually true.” Your “fun with meta” suggestion changes the definition of knowledge skills and unless it has been established up-front that this is how they behave in your games, is only “fun” because the DM is basically cheating the players of what they have been given to understand is the way the rules work. Furthermore, personal experience tells me it just causes strife and bad feelings, while doing nothing to improve the game.
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– KRyan
7 hours ago
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If the character is convinced that dragons smell like lilacs, a better (less messing-with-the-player) use for the knowledge check would be to determine if they're right.
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– Mark Wells
7 hours ago
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History is a very strange choice here; it should be Arcana or Nature. Moreover, failure on Int checks is “you don’t know,” not “you know this fact that isn’t actually true.” Your “fun with meta” suggestion changes the definition of knowledge skills and unless it has been established up-front that this is how they behave in your games, is only “fun” because the DM is basically cheating the players of what they have been given to understand is the way the rules work. Furthermore, personal experience tells me it just causes strife and bad feelings, while doing nothing to improve the game.
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– KRyan
7 hours ago
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History is a very strange choice here; it should be Arcana or Nature. Moreover, failure on Int checks is “you don’t know,” not “you know this fact that isn’t actually true.” Your “fun with meta” suggestion changes the definition of knowledge skills and unless it has been established up-front that this is how they behave in your games, is only “fun” because the DM is basically cheating the players of what they have been given to understand is the way the rules work. Furthermore, personal experience tells me it just causes strife and bad feelings, while doing nothing to improve the game.
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– KRyan
7 hours ago
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If the character is convinced that dragons smell like lilacs, a better (less messing-with-the-player) use for the knowledge check would be to determine if they're right.
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– Mark Wells
7 hours ago
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If the character is convinced that dragons smell like lilacs, a better (less messing-with-the-player) use for the knowledge check would be to determine if they're right.
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– Mark Wells
7 hours ago
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Which edition is this about?
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– J. A. Streich
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@J.A.Streich It looks like they're just asking about general lore, but still a good idea to focus on a specific addition for at least part of the answer.
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Welcome! You tagged this question with [dungeons-and-dragons] which is used to indicate D&D across all editions. You state you are playing 5e. Does this mean that you are interested in lore from any edition or would you prefer just from 5e?
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See also: rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/151408/…
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– StuperUser
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So is this the player saying at the table that he heard that dragons smell like lilac, or is this an in-character claim that the character says he heard that?
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