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Prison offence - trespassing underwood fence
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I have come across this prison offence for one of my ancestors:
I have read the offence to be:
Trespass, Damaging Underwood fence
This offence was in 1844.
I understand this offence to mean that my ancestor trespassed a fence to a wooded area of some kind. I am not sure if this is what the term meant in the mid 1800s.
The sentence was one month in prison. Her husband also had children from his first wife who died. And his firstborn also had a prison sentence for stealing a loaf of bread. He had some other sentences. Life must have been hard for them.
Have I understood the offence correctly?
england palaeography 1840s imprisonment
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I have come across this prison offence for one of my ancestors:
I have read the offence to be:
Trespass, Damaging Underwood fence
This offence was in 1844.
I understand this offence to mean that my ancestor trespassed a fence to a wooded area of some kind. I am not sure if this is what the term meant in the mid 1800s.
The sentence was one month in prison. Her husband also had children from his first wife who died. And his firstborn also had a prison sentence for stealing a loaf of bread. He had some other sentences. Life must have been hard for them.
Have I understood the offence correctly?
england palaeography 1840s imprisonment
asked 8 hours ago
Andrew TruckleAndrew Truckle
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Lindenwood not underwood, I suspect.
– ColeValleyGirl
8 hours ago
@ColeValleyGirl I can’t see any definitions for Lindenwood.
– Andrew Truckle
7 hours ago
1
Try looking up Linden tree
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
1
As in a fence made from the wood of a Linden tree
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
1
Unlikely to be panels in 1844 but the wood could have been used for fencing.
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
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I have come across this prison offence for one of my ancestors:
I have read the offence to be:
Trespass, Damaging Underwood fence
This offence was in 1844.
I understand this offence to mean that my ancestor trespassed a fence to a wooded area of some kind. I am not sure if this is what the term meant in the mid 1800s.
The sentence was one month in prison. Her husband also had children from his first wife who died. And his firstborn also had a prison sentence for stealing a loaf of bread. He had some other sentences. Life must have been hard for them.
Have I understood the offence correctly?
england palaeography 1840s imprisonment
asked 8 hours ago
Andrew TruckleAndrew Truckle
59013 bronze badges
I have come across this prison offence for one of my ancestors:
I have read the offence to be:
Trespass, Damaging Underwood fence
This offence was in 1844.
I understand this offence to mean that my ancestor trespassed a fence to a wooded area of some kind. I am not sure if this is what the term meant in the mid 1800s.
The sentence was one month in prison. Her husband also had children from his first wife who died. And his firstborn also had a prison sentence for stealing a loaf of bread. He had some other sentences. Life must have been hard for them.
Have I understood the offence correctly?
england palaeography 1840s imprisonment
england palaeography 1840s imprisonment
asked 8 hours ago
Andrew TruckleAndrew Truckle
59013 bronze badges
asked 8 hours ago
Andrew TruckleAndrew Truckle
59013 bronze badges
asked 8 hours ago
Andrew TruckleAndrew Truckle
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asked 8 hours ago
Andrew TruckleAndrew Truckle
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asked 8 hours ago
Andrew TruckleAndrew Truckle
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Lindenwood not underwood, I suspect.
– ColeValleyGirl
8 hours ago
@ColeValleyGirl I can’t see any definitions for Lindenwood.
– Andrew Truckle
7 hours ago
1
Try looking up Linden tree
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
1
As in a fence made from the wood of a Linden tree
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
1
Unlikely to be panels in 1844 but the wood could have been used for fencing.
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
Lindenwood not underwood, I suspect.
– ColeValleyGirl
8 hours ago
@ColeValleyGirl I can’t see any definitions for Lindenwood.
– Andrew Truckle
7 hours ago
1
Try looking up Linden tree
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
1
As in a fence made from the wood of a Linden tree
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
1
Unlikely to be panels in 1844 but the wood could have been used for fencing.
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
Lindenwood not underwood, I suspect.
– ColeValleyGirl
8 hours ago
Lindenwood not underwood, I suspect.
– ColeValleyGirl
8 hours ago
@ColeValleyGirl I can’t see any definitions for Lindenwood.
– Andrew Truckle
7 hours ago
@ColeValleyGirl I can’t see any definitions for Lindenwood.
– Andrew Truckle
7 hours ago
1
1
Try looking up Linden tree
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
Try looking up Linden tree
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
1
1
As in a fence made from the wood of a Linden tree
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
As in a fence made from the wood of a Linden tree
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
1
1
Unlikely to be panels in 1844 but the wood could have been used for fencing.
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
Unlikely to be panels in 1844 but the wood could have been used for fencing.
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
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I think you'll find it's actually
Trespass Damaging underwood fine / 2
(I'm assuming it is the second of the two similar offences shown)
"Underwood" in this contest was the small trees & shrubs that grew beneath the taller timber trees.
If the fine wasn't paid, then a prison sentence would follow. This is what I suspect has happened to your ancestor.
If you look in this volume of Accounts and Papers of the House of Commons, there is an example on page 617 from the returns of Berkeley in Gloucestershire where the listed offences included "damaging underwood". The entry also has a column showing the "Maximum and Minimum Term of Imprisonment if Fine not paid".
It is also worth checking the British Newspaper Archive for 1844 to see whether the conviction made the local papers. If so, it is possible that will give you further detail or context.
answered 5 hours ago
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I think you'll find it's actually
Trespass Damaging underwood fine / 2
(I'm assuming it is the second of the two similar offences shown)
"Underwood" in this contest was the small trees & shrubs that grew beneath the taller timber trees.
If the fine wasn't paid, then a prison sentence would follow. This is what I suspect has happened to your ancestor.
If you look in this volume of Accounts and Papers of the House of Commons, there is an example on page 617 from the returns of Berkeley in Gloucestershire where the listed offences included "damaging underwood". The entry also has a column showing the "Maximum and Minimum Term of Imprisonment if Fine not paid".
It is also worth checking the British Newspaper Archive for 1844 to see whether the conviction made the local papers. If so, it is possible that will give you further detail or context.
answered 5 hours ago
sempaiscubasempaiscuba
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I think you'll find it's actually
Trespass Damaging underwood fine / 2
(I'm assuming it is the second of the two similar offences shown)
"Underwood" in this contest was the small trees & shrubs that grew beneath the taller timber trees.
If the fine wasn't paid, then a prison sentence would follow. This is what I suspect has happened to your ancestor.
If you look in this volume of Accounts and Papers of the House of Commons, there is an example on page 617 from the returns of Berkeley in Gloucestershire where the listed offences included "damaging underwood". The entry also has a column showing the "Maximum and Minimum Term of Imprisonment if Fine not paid".
It is also worth checking the British Newspaper Archive for 1844 to see whether the conviction made the local papers. If so, it is possible that will give you further detail or context.
answered 5 hours ago
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I think you'll find it's actually
Trespass Damaging underwood fine / 2
(I'm assuming it is the second of the two similar offences shown)
"Underwood" in this contest was the small trees & shrubs that grew beneath the taller timber trees.
If the fine wasn't paid, then a prison sentence would follow. This is what I suspect has happened to your ancestor.
If you look in this volume of Accounts and Papers of the House of Commons, there is an example on page 617 from the returns of Berkeley in Gloucestershire where the listed offences included "damaging underwood". The entry also has a column showing the "Maximum and Minimum Term of Imprisonment if Fine not paid".
It is also worth checking the British Newspaper Archive for 1844 to see whether the conviction made the local papers. If so, it is possible that will give you further detail or context.
answered 5 hours ago
sempaiscubasempaiscuba
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I think you'll find it's actually
Trespass Damaging underwood fine / 2
(I'm assuming it is the second of the two similar offences shown)
"Underwood" in this contest was the small trees & shrubs that grew beneath the taller timber trees.
If the fine wasn't paid, then a prison sentence would follow. This is what I suspect has happened to your ancestor.
If you look in this volume of Accounts and Papers of the House of Commons, there is an example on page 617 from the returns of Berkeley in Gloucestershire where the listed offences included "damaging underwood". The entry also has a column showing the "Maximum and Minimum Term of Imprisonment if Fine not paid".
It is also worth checking the British Newspaper Archive for 1844 to see whether the conviction made the local papers. If so, it is possible that will give you further detail or context.
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Lindenwood not underwood, I suspect.
– ColeValleyGirl
8 hours ago
@ColeValleyGirl I can’t see any definitions for Lindenwood.
– Andrew Truckle
7 hours ago
1
Try looking up Linden tree
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
1
As in a fence made from the wood of a Linden tree
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago
1
Unlikely to be panels in 1844 but the wood could have been used for fencing.
– ColeValleyGirl
7 hours ago