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Can a Flame Blade be used as an improvised weapon?
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Flame Blade creates a blade of fire in your free hand:
You evoke a fiery blade in your free hand. The blade is similar in size and shape to a scimitar...
Can that blade of fire be used for an improvised weapon attack?
Would such an attack benefit from scimitar proficiency?
Would it deal 1d4, 1d6, or 3d6 damage?
Would the damage be fire damage?
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Flame Blade creates a blade of fire in your free hand:
You evoke a fiery blade in your free hand. The blade is similar in size and shape to a scimitar...
Can that blade of fire be used for an improvised weapon attack?
Would such an attack benefit from scimitar proficiency?
Would it deal 1d4, 1d6, or 3d6 damage?
Would the damage be fire damage?
dnd-5e spells improvised-weaponry
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How has this come up in game? When would someone want to forgo 3d6 damage in exchange for 1d4 or 1d6?
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– J. A. Streich
7 hours ago
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@J.A.Streich when used as an improvised weapon, it would use strength instead of your spellcasting modifier, be eligible for Extra Attack, and add a modifier to damage. There's several reasons to do so if it works.
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– Speedkat
7 hours ago
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Opps, I see. If the DM declares it is similar to a wepon, it does.
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– J. A. Streich
7 hours ago
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What is your character going to do differently to make it behave as an improvised weapon?
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– Mark Wells
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I'm curious how anybody could think that a flame could benefit from a strength modifier.
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Flame Blade creates a blade of fire in your free hand:
You evoke a fiery blade in your free hand. The blade is similar in size and shape to a scimitar...
Can that blade of fire be used for an improvised weapon attack?
Would such an attack benefit from scimitar proficiency?
Would it deal 1d4, 1d6, or 3d6 damage?
Would the damage be fire damage?
dnd-5e spells improvised-weaponry
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Flame Blade creates a blade of fire in your free hand:
You evoke a fiery blade in your free hand. The blade is similar in size and shape to a scimitar...
Can that blade of fire be used for an improvised weapon attack?
Would such an attack benefit from scimitar proficiency?
Would it deal 1d4, 1d6, or 3d6 damage?
Would the damage be fire damage?
dnd-5e spells improvised-weaponry
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How has this come up in game? When would someone want to forgo 3d6 damage in exchange for 1d4 or 1d6?
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– J. A. Streich
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@J.A.Streich when used as an improvised weapon, it would use strength instead of your spellcasting modifier, be eligible for Extra Attack, and add a modifier to damage. There's several reasons to do so if it works.
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– Speedkat
7 hours ago
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Opps, I see. If the DM declares it is similar to a wepon, it does.
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– J. A. Streich
7 hours ago
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What is your character going to do differently to make it behave as an improvised weapon?
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– Mark Wells
7 hours ago
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I'm curious how anybody could think that a flame could benefit from a strength modifier.
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How has this come up in game? When would someone want to forgo 3d6 damage in exchange for 1d4 or 1d6?
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– J. A. Streich
7 hours ago
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@J.A.Streich when used as an improvised weapon, it would use strength instead of your spellcasting modifier, be eligible for Extra Attack, and add a modifier to damage. There's several reasons to do so if it works.
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– Speedkat
7 hours ago
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Opps, I see. If the DM declares it is similar to a wepon, it does.
$endgroup$
– J. A. Streich
7 hours ago
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What is your character going to do differently to make it behave as an improvised weapon?
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– Mark Wells
7 hours ago
1
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I'm curious how anybody could think that a flame could benefit from a strength modifier.
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– krb
6 hours ago
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How has this come up in game? When would someone want to forgo 3d6 damage in exchange for 1d4 or 1d6?
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– J. A. Streich
7 hours ago
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How has this come up in game? When would someone want to forgo 3d6 damage in exchange for 1d4 or 1d6?
$endgroup$
– J. A. Streich
7 hours ago
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@J.A.Streich when used as an improvised weapon, it would use strength instead of your spellcasting modifier, be eligible for Extra Attack, and add a modifier to damage. There's several reasons to do so if it works.
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– Speedkat
7 hours ago
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@J.A.Streich when used as an improvised weapon, it would use strength instead of your spellcasting modifier, be eligible for Extra Attack, and add a modifier to damage. There's several reasons to do so if it works.
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– Speedkat
7 hours ago
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Opps, I see. If the DM declares it is similar to a wepon, it does.
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– J. A. Streich
7 hours ago
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Opps, I see. If the DM declares it is similar to a wepon, it does.
$endgroup$
– J. A. Streich
7 hours ago
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What is your character going to do differently to make it behave as an improvised weapon?
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– Mark Wells
7 hours ago
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What is your character going to do differently to make it behave as an improvised weapon?
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– Mark Wells
7 hours ago
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I'm curious how anybody could think that a flame could benefit from a strength modifier.
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– krb
6 hours ago
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I'm curious how anybody could think that a flame could benefit from a strength modifier.
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The fiery blade cannot be an improvised weapon
The rules for Improvised Weapons specify that they require an object:
An improvised weapon includes any object you can wield in one or two hands, such as broken glass, a table leg, a frying pan, a wagon wheel, or a dead goblin.
The rules define an object as:
a discrete, inanimate item like a window, door, sword, book, table, chair, or stone
This is further elaborated on in this answer to the question "What is an object?".
While it can be argued that the fiery blade is discrete (I'd agree), and inanimate (a bit harder to convince of, but I'd agree as well), it is not an "item":
an individual article or unit
By the very nature of fire, you can't really refer to it as a unit.
In conclusion, the fiery blade you evoke from flame blade is a spell effect, not an object. Therefore it cannot be an improvised weapon.
What if my GM rules that it can be?
Allowing the flame blade to act like an improvised weapon opens up more mechanics than the spell accounts for and a GM will need to consider how that may impact the other aspects of the game. Considering this, if your GM does allow the spell effect to be used as an improvised weapon or decide that the fiery blade is an object, the following answers apply:
Would such an attack benefit from scimitar proficiency?
Maybe. The rules say:
At the DM's option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.
So it is up to the GM whether the fiery blade is similar enough. It has the same size and shape so that's a point in the "yes" direction, but it is made of fire rather than metal.
Would it deal 1d4, 1d6, or 3d6 damage?
It would deal either 1d4 or 1d6,
If your GM rules that it is similar to a scimitar, it will use the scimitar's damage. Otherwise it:
bears no resemblance to a weapon [and] deals 1d4 damage
So, in short it is up to your GM.
Would the damage be fire damage?
Maybe. As before, if it's being treated like a scimitar it has those properties:
can use a similar object as if it were that weapon
... and therefore it would deal slashing damage.
Otherwise...
the DM assigns a damage type appropriate to the object
... and fire is probably the most likely candidate. Again, up to the GM.
answered 8 hours ago
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Is there a justification for why the thing created by the spell is not an object? Clearly you can swing it around.
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– GreySage
8 hours ago
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@BenBarden Indeed, but there are no "hidden" rules in 5e. Spells do what they say they do. If a necromancy spell says it creates an object, then it creates an object. A spell doesn't have to be in the conjuration school to create an object, it just so happens to be that most (maybe all?) spells that do are in the conjuration school. So it's worthwhile to consider if an individual spell does or not.
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– GreySage
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Irony: the spell does state specifically that it creates a blade. The term "blade" is defined in only one place in 5e, so far as I can see. "Bards of the College of Swords are called blades." All sorts of implications for that one, if you want to try to run overly-RAW.
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– Ben Barden
4 hours ago
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@BenBarden I now interpret Flame Blade to create a bard out of fire, that you hit people with.
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– GreySage
3 hours ago
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@GreySage Yep - and the bard is similar in size and shape to a scimitar.
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– Ben Barden
3 hours ago
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The fiery blade cannot be an improvised weapon
The rules for Improvised Weapons specify that they require an object:
An improvised weapon includes any object you can wield in one or two hands, such as broken glass, a table leg, a frying pan, a wagon wheel, or a dead goblin.
The rules define an object as:
a discrete, inanimate item like a window, door, sword, book, table, chair, or stone
This is further elaborated on in this answer to the question "What is an object?".
While it can be argued that the fiery blade is discrete (I'd agree), and inanimate (a bit harder to convince of, but I'd agree as well), it is not an "item":
an individual article or unit
By the very nature of fire, you can't really refer to it as a unit.
In conclusion, the fiery blade you evoke from flame blade is a spell effect, not an object. Therefore it cannot be an improvised weapon.
What if my GM rules that it can be?
Allowing the flame blade to act like an improvised weapon opens up more mechanics than the spell accounts for and a GM will need to consider how that may impact the other aspects of the game. Considering this, if your GM does allow the spell effect to be used as an improvised weapon or decide that the fiery blade is an object, the following answers apply:
Would such an attack benefit from scimitar proficiency?
Maybe. The rules say:
At the DM's option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.
So it is up to the GM whether the fiery blade is similar enough. It has the same size and shape so that's a point in the "yes" direction, but it is made of fire rather than metal.
Would it deal 1d4, 1d6, or 3d6 damage?
It would deal either 1d4 or 1d6,
If your GM rules that it is similar to a scimitar, it will use the scimitar's damage. Otherwise it:
bears no resemblance to a weapon [and] deals 1d4 damage
So, in short it is up to your GM.
Would the damage be fire damage?
Maybe. As before, if it's being treated like a scimitar it has those properties:
can use a similar object as if it were that weapon
... and therefore it would deal slashing damage.
Otherwise...
the DM assigns a damage type appropriate to the object
... and fire is probably the most likely candidate. Again, up to the GM.
answered 8 hours ago
David CoffronDavid Coffron
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Is there a justification for why the thing created by the spell is not an object? Clearly you can swing it around.
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– GreySage
8 hours ago
1
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@BenBarden Indeed, but there are no "hidden" rules in 5e. Spells do what they say they do. If a necromancy spell says it creates an object, then it creates an object. A spell doesn't have to be in the conjuration school to create an object, it just so happens to be that most (maybe all?) spells that do are in the conjuration school. So it's worthwhile to consider if an individual spell does or not.
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– GreySage
5 hours ago
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Irony: the spell does state specifically that it creates a blade. The term "blade" is defined in only one place in 5e, so far as I can see. "Bards of the College of Swords are called blades." All sorts of implications for that one, if you want to try to run overly-RAW.
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– Ben Barden
4 hours ago
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@BenBarden I now interpret Flame Blade to create a bard out of fire, that you hit people with.
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– GreySage
3 hours ago
1
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@GreySage Yep - and the bard is similar in size and shape to a scimitar.
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– Ben Barden
3 hours ago
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The fiery blade cannot be an improvised weapon
The rules for Improvised Weapons specify that they require an object:
An improvised weapon includes any object you can wield in one or two hands, such as broken glass, a table leg, a frying pan, a wagon wheel, or a dead goblin.
The rules define an object as:
a discrete, inanimate item like a window, door, sword, book, table, chair, or stone
This is further elaborated on in this answer to the question "What is an object?".
While it can be argued that the fiery blade is discrete (I'd agree), and inanimate (a bit harder to convince of, but I'd agree as well), it is not an "item":
an individual article or unit
By the very nature of fire, you can't really refer to it as a unit.
In conclusion, the fiery blade you evoke from flame blade is a spell effect, not an object. Therefore it cannot be an improvised weapon.
What if my GM rules that it can be?
Allowing the flame blade to act like an improvised weapon opens up more mechanics than the spell accounts for and a GM will need to consider how that may impact the other aspects of the game. Considering this, if your GM does allow the spell effect to be used as an improvised weapon or decide that the fiery blade is an object, the following answers apply:
Would such an attack benefit from scimitar proficiency?
Maybe. The rules say:
At the DM's option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.
So it is up to the GM whether the fiery blade is similar enough. It has the same size and shape so that's a point in the "yes" direction, but it is made of fire rather than metal.
Would it deal 1d4, 1d6, or 3d6 damage?
It would deal either 1d4 or 1d6,
If your GM rules that it is similar to a scimitar, it will use the scimitar's damage. Otherwise it:
bears no resemblance to a weapon [and] deals 1d4 damage
So, in short it is up to your GM.
Would the damage be fire damage?
Maybe. As before, if it's being treated like a scimitar it has those properties:
can use a similar object as if it were that weapon
... and therefore it would deal slashing damage.
Otherwise...
the DM assigns a damage type appropriate to the object
... and fire is probably the most likely candidate. Again, up to the GM.
answered 8 hours ago
David CoffronDavid Coffron
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Is there a justification for why the thing created by the spell is not an object? Clearly you can swing it around.
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– GreySage
8 hours ago
1
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@BenBarden Indeed, but there are no "hidden" rules in 5e. Spells do what they say they do. If a necromancy spell says it creates an object, then it creates an object. A spell doesn't have to be in the conjuration school to create an object, it just so happens to be that most (maybe all?) spells that do are in the conjuration school. So it's worthwhile to consider if an individual spell does or not.
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– GreySage
5 hours ago
3
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Irony: the spell does state specifically that it creates a blade. The term "blade" is defined in only one place in 5e, so far as I can see. "Bards of the College of Swords are called blades." All sorts of implications for that one, if you want to try to run overly-RAW.
$endgroup$
– Ben Barden
4 hours ago
1
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@BenBarden I now interpret Flame Blade to create a bard out of fire, that you hit people with.
$endgroup$
– GreySage
3 hours ago
1
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@GreySage Yep - and the bard is similar in size and shape to a scimitar.
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– Ben Barden
3 hours ago
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The fiery blade cannot be an improvised weapon
The rules for Improvised Weapons specify that they require an object:
An improvised weapon includes any object you can wield in one or two hands, such as broken glass, a table leg, a frying pan, a wagon wheel, or a dead goblin.
The rules define an object as:
a discrete, inanimate item like a window, door, sword, book, table, chair, or stone
This is further elaborated on in this answer to the question "What is an object?".
While it can be argued that the fiery blade is discrete (I'd agree), and inanimate (a bit harder to convince of, but I'd agree as well), it is not an "item":
an individual article or unit
By the very nature of fire, you can't really refer to it as a unit.
In conclusion, the fiery blade you evoke from flame blade is a spell effect, not an object. Therefore it cannot be an improvised weapon.
What if my GM rules that it can be?
Allowing the flame blade to act like an improvised weapon opens up more mechanics than the spell accounts for and a GM will need to consider how that may impact the other aspects of the game. Considering this, if your GM does allow the spell effect to be used as an improvised weapon or decide that the fiery blade is an object, the following answers apply:
Would such an attack benefit from scimitar proficiency?
Maybe. The rules say:
At the DM's option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.
So it is up to the GM whether the fiery blade is similar enough. It has the same size and shape so that's a point in the "yes" direction, but it is made of fire rather than metal.
Would it deal 1d4, 1d6, or 3d6 damage?
It would deal either 1d4 or 1d6,
If your GM rules that it is similar to a scimitar, it will use the scimitar's damage. Otherwise it:
bears no resemblance to a weapon [and] deals 1d4 damage
So, in short it is up to your GM.
Would the damage be fire damage?
Maybe. As before, if it's being treated like a scimitar it has those properties:
can use a similar object as if it were that weapon
... and therefore it would deal slashing damage.
Otherwise...
the DM assigns a damage type appropriate to the object
... and fire is probably the most likely candidate. Again, up to the GM.
answered 8 hours ago
David CoffronDavid Coffron
44.5k6 gold badges160 silver badges317 bronze badges
$endgroup$
The fiery blade cannot be an improvised weapon
The rules for Improvised Weapons specify that they require an object:
An improvised weapon includes any object you can wield in one or two hands, such as broken glass, a table leg, a frying pan, a wagon wheel, or a dead goblin.
The rules define an object as:
a discrete, inanimate item like a window, door, sword, book, table, chair, or stone
This is further elaborated on in this answer to the question "What is an object?".
While it can be argued that the fiery blade is discrete (I'd agree), and inanimate (a bit harder to convince of, but I'd agree as well), it is not an "item":
an individual article or unit
By the very nature of fire, you can't really refer to it as a unit.
In conclusion, the fiery blade you evoke from flame blade is a spell effect, not an object. Therefore it cannot be an improvised weapon.
What if my GM rules that it can be?
Allowing the flame blade to act like an improvised weapon opens up more mechanics than the spell accounts for and a GM will need to consider how that may impact the other aspects of the game. Considering this, if your GM does allow the spell effect to be used as an improvised weapon or decide that the fiery blade is an object, the following answers apply:
Would such an attack benefit from scimitar proficiency?
Maybe. The rules say:
At the DM's option, a character proficient with a weapon can use a similar object as if it were that weapon and use his or her proficiency bonus.
So it is up to the GM whether the fiery blade is similar enough. It has the same size and shape so that's a point in the "yes" direction, but it is made of fire rather than metal.
Would it deal 1d4, 1d6, or 3d6 damage?
It would deal either 1d4 or 1d6,
If your GM rules that it is similar to a scimitar, it will use the scimitar's damage. Otherwise it:
bears no resemblance to a weapon [and] deals 1d4 damage
So, in short it is up to your GM.
Would the damage be fire damage?
Maybe. As before, if it's being treated like a scimitar it has those properties:
can use a similar object as if it were that weapon
... and therefore it would deal slashing damage.
Otherwise...
the DM assigns a damage type appropriate to the object
... and fire is probably the most likely candidate. Again, up to the GM.
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Is there a justification for why the thing created by the spell is not an object? Clearly you can swing it around.
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– GreySage
8 hours ago
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@BenBarden Indeed, but there are no "hidden" rules in 5e. Spells do what they say they do. If a necromancy spell says it creates an object, then it creates an object. A spell doesn't have to be in the conjuration school to create an object, it just so happens to be that most (maybe all?) spells that do are in the conjuration school. So it's worthwhile to consider if an individual spell does or not.
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– GreySage
5 hours ago
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Irony: the spell does state specifically that it creates a blade. The term "blade" is defined in only one place in 5e, so far as I can see. "Bards of the College of Swords are called blades." All sorts of implications for that one, if you want to try to run overly-RAW.
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– Ben Barden
4 hours ago
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@BenBarden I now interpret Flame Blade to create a bard out of fire, that you hit people with.
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– GreySage
3 hours ago
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@GreySage Yep - and the bard is similar in size and shape to a scimitar.
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– Ben Barden
3 hours ago
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Is there a justification for why the thing created by the spell is not an object? Clearly you can swing it around.
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– GreySage
8 hours ago
1
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@BenBarden Indeed, but there are no "hidden" rules in 5e. Spells do what they say they do. If a necromancy spell says it creates an object, then it creates an object. A spell doesn't have to be in the conjuration school to create an object, it just so happens to be that most (maybe all?) spells that do are in the conjuration school. So it's worthwhile to consider if an individual spell does or not.
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– GreySage
5 hours ago
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Irony: the spell does state specifically that it creates a blade. The term "blade" is defined in only one place in 5e, so far as I can see. "Bards of the College of Swords are called blades." All sorts of implications for that one, if you want to try to run overly-RAW.
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– Ben Barden
4 hours ago
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@BenBarden I now interpret Flame Blade to create a bard out of fire, that you hit people with.
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– GreySage
3 hours ago
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@GreySage Yep - and the bard is similar in size and shape to a scimitar.
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– Ben Barden
3 hours ago
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Is there a justification for why the thing created by the spell is not an object? Clearly you can swing it around.
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– GreySage
8 hours ago
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Is there a justification for why the thing created by the spell is not an object? Clearly you can swing it around.
$endgroup$
– GreySage
8 hours ago
1
1
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@BenBarden Indeed, but there are no "hidden" rules in 5e. Spells do what they say they do. If a necromancy spell says it creates an object, then it creates an object. A spell doesn't have to be in the conjuration school to create an object, it just so happens to be that most (maybe all?) spells that do are in the conjuration school. So it's worthwhile to consider if an individual spell does or not.
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– GreySage
5 hours ago
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@BenBarden Indeed, but there are no "hidden" rules in 5e. Spells do what they say they do. If a necromancy spell says it creates an object, then it creates an object. A spell doesn't have to be in the conjuration school to create an object, it just so happens to be that most (maybe all?) spells that do are in the conjuration school. So it's worthwhile to consider if an individual spell does or not.
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– GreySage
5 hours ago
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Irony: the spell does state specifically that it creates a blade. The term "blade" is defined in only one place in 5e, so far as I can see. "Bards of the College of Swords are called blades." All sorts of implications for that one, if you want to try to run overly-RAW.
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– Ben Barden
4 hours ago
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Irony: the spell does state specifically that it creates a blade. The term "blade" is defined in only one place in 5e, so far as I can see. "Bards of the College of Swords are called blades." All sorts of implications for that one, if you want to try to run overly-RAW.
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– Ben Barden
4 hours ago
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@BenBarden I now interpret Flame Blade to create a bard out of fire, that you hit people with.
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– GreySage
3 hours ago
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@BenBarden I now interpret Flame Blade to create a bard out of fire, that you hit people with.
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– GreySage
3 hours ago
1
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@GreySage Yep - and the bard is similar in size and shape to a scimitar.
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– Ben Barden
3 hours ago
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@GreySage Yep - and the bard is similar in size and shape to a scimitar.
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– Ben Barden
3 hours ago
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How has this come up in game? When would someone want to forgo 3d6 damage in exchange for 1d4 or 1d6?
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– J. A. Streich
7 hours ago
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@J.A.Streich when used as an improvised weapon, it would use strength instead of your spellcasting modifier, be eligible for Extra Attack, and add a modifier to damage. There's several reasons to do so if it works.
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– Speedkat
7 hours ago
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Opps, I see. If the DM declares it is similar to a wepon, it does.
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7 hours ago
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What is your character going to do differently to make it behave as an improvised weapon?
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– Mark Wells
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I'm curious how anybody could think that a flame could benefit from a strength modifier.
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– krb
6 hours ago